Who is the canonically weakest party member in an RPG?

SolVanderlyn

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It has to be Edward, right?



A bard from Final Fantasy IV, Edward is infamous for being largely useless both in and out of battle. Everyone rejoices when he leaves to free up a spot for a more useful member.

But beyond that, he's weak according to the story, as well. He has no combat experience, very little life skills, and his songs never do much for anyone, either.

Is there a character weaker than Edward?
 

Hours Left

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Edward becomes much stronger in the late/post game content of FFIV. (The remakes.) His story arc in TAY is also about becoming stronger and more dependable.

The correct answer is Yogurt from Shining Force.
 

Wilsongt

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I'd agree with Yogurt, but since be is more of a debug character left in by the creators...

I'd go with Rafa.
 

Cactuar

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This is the right answer but you provided no context, so I'll explain.

The answer is Ramus from the Sega CD game Lunar, the Silver Star. Ramus was basically just your fat friend from town who decided to go on your adventure with you. Except he only made it a fraction of the way before he was like fuck this shit Im going home. He had no powers, no magic, no nothing. He was your homeboy who figured out very quickly he was in over his head.
 

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Syril

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Edward becomes much stronger in the late/post game content of FFIV. (The remakes.) His story arc in TAY is also about becoming stronger and more dependable.

The correct answer is Yogurt from Shining Force.
In the PSP version he was actually very useful because his attacks caused statuses reliably.
 

Sacul64

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This is the right answer but you provided no context, so I'll explain.

The answer is Ramus from the Sega CD game Lunar, the Silver Star. Ramus was basically just your fat friend from town who decided to go on your adventure with you. Except he only made it a fraction of the way before he was like fuck this shit Im going home. He had no powers, no magic, no nothing. He was your homeboy who figured out very quickly he was in over his head.
And he could still beat Yogurt. Yogurt wins this topic.
 

Hella

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No way he beats Jogurt, but IIRC the Mabari Warhound from Dragon Age: Origins is a weaker version of a warrior, with less skills and less potential than any other party member in the series.

And I used him every single time I played.


Learning about Jogurt makes me want to play Shining Force.
Edit: omg I can't believe it
 

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IIRC the Mabari Warhound from Dragon Age: Origins is a weaker version of a warrior, with less skills and less potential than any other party member in the series.
Because he gets a very very long stun, which is a game breaker. (granted, every other party member in DA:O has game breakers)
 

dark494

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People forget that Magikarp learns tackle and flail, it's not useless, it has offense.

Edit: And people have beaten the elite four and rivals in various games with a lone magikarp even lol
 

Joey Ravn

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One and not. Magikarp is not the weakest pokémon. Going by overall stats, there are several pokémon who are weaker:

Wishiwashi (solo form) (175)
Sunkern (180)
Azurrill (190)
Kricketot (194)
Caterpie (195)
Weedle (195)
Wurmple (195)
Ralts (198)

Now, taking into account movesets, we can rule out a few of those pokémon. Wishiwashi has a full moveset, plus it can turn into its School Form starting at level 20, which is a beast. Sunkern and Ralts also have a full moveset, and they can learn TMs. That leaves us with the three worm-based pokémon and Kricketot.

Wurmple and Weedle have one advantage over Caterpie: dual typing. They are part poison and can learn Poison Sting. Although not as powerful in raw terms as Caterpie's Tackle, it has the chance of inflicting Poison status. Moreover, Wurmple learns Bug Bite at level 16, so it has three moves, compared with Caterpies two. So Weedle and, especially, Wurmple are (potentially) more useful than Caterpie. Kricketot learns Struggle Bug and Bug Bite early on, and those two moves have STAB. Finally, Magikarp learns Tackle at 15 and Flail at 30. So Magikarp > Caterpie. Caterpie is the worst.

This is, of course, based on the idea that you don't evolve these pokémon. Otherwise, saying that Magikarp is the worst doesn't hold water (heh) either way, since you would be evolving it to Gyarados in the long run.

TL;DR: Caterpie fucking sucks.
 

Aexact

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It has to be Edward, right?



A bard from Final Fantasy IV, Edward is infamous for being largely useless both in and out of battle. Everyone rejoices when he leaves to free up a spot for a more useful member.

But beyond that, he's weak according to the story, as well. He has no combat experience, very little life skills, and his songs never do much for anyone, either.

Is there a character weaker than Edward?
I mean, I was introduced to this character in the DS version and he seemed to do alright. Bard skills are useful and since early game he can't take damage, it's better for him just to Hide but once he has a few levels, he's a perfectly functional party member. He had a story arc about growing too. Can't hate.

I'd agree with Yogurt, but since be is more of a debug character left in by the creators...

I'd go with Rafa.
In the War of the Lions, when I climbed up to the boss that's supposed to give everyone hell, knowing what I knew of the original, I was expecting the worst so I tried teleporting up to the roof to try to save her asap. That unit got murdered. But in the PSP version they buffed Rapha's Sky Mantra to hit more times. On her turn, she one shot the boss. It was one of the most shocking things I've ever witnessed.

... Anyway, if we're including temporary party members, Porky takes the cake right?

Porky's "skills" as a temporary party member in EarthBound are as follows:
  • Complains to Ness.
  • Uses Ness as a shield.
  • Pretends to cry.
  • Smiles insincerely.
  • Plays dead.
  • Thinks to himself.
  • Apologizes profusely.
  • Tries to edge closer to the enemy.
  • Acts all innocent.
Yeah, all of those do nothing.
To beat Porky, you'd need a party member who was actively detrimental.
 

TheYanger

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I mean, I was introduced to this character in the DS version and he seemed to do alright. Bard skills are useful and since early game he can't take damage, it's better for him just to Hide but once he has a few levels, he's a perfectly functional party member. He had a story arc about growing too. Can't hate.


In the War of the Lions, when I climbed up to the boss that's supposed to give everyone hell, knowing what I knew of the original, I was expecting the worst so I tried teleporting up to the roof to try to save her asap. That unit got murdered. But in the PSP version they buffed Rapha's Sky Mantra to hit more times. On her turn, she one shot the boss. It was one of the most shocking things I've ever witnessed.

... Anyway, if we're including temporary party members, Porky takes the cake right?

Porky's "skills" as a temporary party member in EarthBound are as follows:
  • Complains to Ness.
  • Uses Ness as a shield.
  • Pretends to cry.
  • Smiles insincerely.
  • Plays dead.
  • Thinks to himself.
  • Apologizes profusely.
  • Tries to edge closer to the enemy.
  • Acts all innocent.
Yeah, all of those do nothing.
To beat Porky, you'd need a party member who was actively detrimental.
It's still Jogurt. Game isn't balanced around you having him, unlike Porky. To use Jogurt you have to replace someone that is actually capable of doing ANYTHING. A joke character is one thing, but a joke character that effectively cannot do anything but get hit once so someone else doesn't, while ALSO taking the place of someone that could legitimately be a valuable cahracter, is still worse than a forced escort character.
 

mclem

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It's like you guys haven't met my WoW guild.

(Kidding, I love 'em really!)


This was going to be my answer!

He does actually have a very useful ability against the final boss, so maybe this shouldn't quite count. I've a nagging feeling there's a character in RPGs who is completely useless - yes, more than Jogurt - but I'm struggling to remember who
 

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This was going to be my answer!

He does actually have a very useful ability against the final boss, so maybe this shouldn't quite count. I've a nagging feeling there's a character in RPGs who is completely useless, but I'm struggling to remember who
I feel like Candy Corn being secretly OP after it’s upgrade is almost a right of passage.

that Candy Corn takes hits like a fuckin’ champ.
 

BassForever

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Yogurt is the correct answer even if it seems unfair because he’s practically a joke character in the party.

For a more unconventional answer I’ll pick Mogu from Breath of Fire 1. Joins extremely late, has a field skill only applicable in one area, and isn’t part of Karn’s fusions so he isn’t even useful there.
 

FallenGrace

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It has to be jogurt from shining force.

Jogurt from Shining Force is never capable of dealing more than 1 damage.
And we're done here. Jogurt the ultimate (weak) warrior!

Learning about Jogurt makes me want to play Shining Force.
Edit: omg I can't believe it
It's a fantastic game frankly with or without Jogurt. Shining Force 2 and 3 are also amazing. My favorite SRPG series still.
 

Funyarinpa

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No way he beats Jogurt, but IIRC the Mabari Warhound from Dragon Age: Origins is a weaker version of a warrior, with less skills and less potential than any other party member in the series.

And I used him every single time I played.


Learning about Jogurt makes me want to play Shining Force.
Edit: omg I can't believe it
the regional pricing on that is like 50 cents lmfao

edit: are the stories of these games any good? if the stories are good I'll get these
 

DimitriLH

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It has to be Edward, right?



A bard from Final Fantasy IV, Edward is infamous for being largely useless both in and out of battle. Everyone rejoices when he leaves to free up a spot for a more useful member.

But beyond that, he's weak according to the story, as well. He has no combat experience, very little life skills, and his songs never do much for anyone, either.

Is there a character weaker than Edward?

Funny, he is my favorite to play with, so glad the PSP port made him actually good. The After Years actually make his character better and more experienced as well.

Character that comes to mind is Pearl from Legend of Mana, but thats only in battle, story wise I think she gets stronger. Its been awhile so cant remember much.
 

FallenGrace

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the regional pricing on that is like 50 cents lmfao

edit: are the stories of these games any good? if the stories are good I'll get these
Shining Force? They aren't really super story heavy though I wouldn't say they are bad either for the time. There are lots of characters in towns to talk to and recruit but the story is mostly a case of Light vs Darkness with stuff sprinkled in. Honestly I love them and for 50 cents you've got nothing to lose. Here is the intro that might help:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7yx27SjSLw
 

Funyarinpa

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Shining Force? They aren't really super story heavy though I wouldn't say they are bad either for the time. There are lots of characters in towns to talk to and recruit but the story is mostly a case of Light vs Darkness with stuff sprinkled in. Honestly I love them and for 50 cents you've got nothing to lose. Here is the intro that might help:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7yx27SjSLw
Thanks!

That seemed very generic to me, I think I'll pass on it for now