-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
Who was a worse person in their school days, James Potter or Snape?
- Thread starter SolVanderlyn
- Start date
IIRC, Lupin was still pretty cagey about talking about what they did.
But that was shit that happened when they were children. There is no reason it should dictate the rest of their lives.
*Glares at the ending of book 7*
I mean Snape became the wizard equivalent of a Nazi, so I think that makes him worse by far. But, some of the blame has to go to the school that basically stood by and watched the entire Syltherin house become a Nazi clubhouse. At some point they should have started cracking down on that.
Wow, it really is a pretty disappointing outcome when you put it like that. Rowling really didn't give the characters a lot of options once they graduated. You either took a vaguely define government job, became a pro athlete, or taught at the same school you went to as a kid. At least the teacher job would have been thematically interesting.
Wow, it really is a pretty disappointing outcome when you put it like that. Rowling really didn't give the characters a lot of options once they graduated. You either took a vaguely define government job, became a pro athlete, or taught at the same school you went to as a kid. At least the teacher job would have been thematically interesting.
she didn't leave him. she was never with him. he was infatuated with her and she saw him as a friend. she then got a boyfriend. end of story.
This. The asshole is the worst but the incel is not much better.
Because some people apparently have opinions like this:
Pole options are biased towards James, but it seems like the arguments against Snape are much better.
More than 10 years since the last time I read Harry Potter, but from what I remember Syltherin being equal to Nazis seems like a big stretch. I may be wrong though.
I mean, I'd argue you're wrong in terms of Snape's generation of Slytherin who all went on to be Death Eaters, but I more take issue with the notion that an "asshole" is worse than an "incel bigot" whether or not that incel bigot is a nazi.
I just couldn't believe the stupid epilogue where she went and then he became a cop, I literally assumed he was going to be the DADA Teacher because the instability of the position was such a prominent feature of the the entire series and she went out of her way to make it clear Harry was actually good at teaching....
Fuck me for believing in basic forshadowing.
JK Rowling the Vince McMahon of the literary world
Dumbledore says that they aren't all evil, yet the books never show us a single good Slytherin, they are all Nazi supporters. When Voldemort attacks the school, the entire Slytherin House has to be escorted out because none volunteered to oppose Voldemort and some even straight called for Harry to be given over. And Snape wasn't good either, he was a creep and that's the only reason he helped.
JK Rowling literally went out of her way to say that not a single Slytherin stayed to fight against Voldemort, and either went home or joined him.
0
Fucking nada.
Yeah they literally are the House of Nazis and cowards.
But but Merlin
LOL
Then JK had to go oh shit and say uh uh uh wait the students that came with Slughorn... they were Slytherin it just didn't say that in the book because.... Hey look over there Pottermore shop discounts!
0
Fucking nada.
Yeah they literally are the House of Nazis and cowards.
But but Merlin
LOL
Then JK had to go oh shit and say uh uh uh wait the students that came with Slughorn... they were Slytherin it just didn't say that in the book because.... Hey look over there Pottermore shop discounts!
Yeah, this kind of puts into words a lot of frustrations I had with the series when I was younger. The way the series framed Hermione and her desire to free the House Elves was just gross. At the beginning, the setting felt really interesting, but by the end I really hated it.
This was just infuriating. I truly believed that the whole school was going to come together by end, instead Syltherins were just all evil and I think Ravenclaws just fled. It honestly feels like fans have spent more work fleshing out the houses then Rowling did with her entire franchise.
He barely counts. He wasn't a student anymore.
The passage I'm talking about which was about students literally states none stayed.
The real hilarious thing is how much the Pottermore description of why you;d want to be Slytherin reads like fascist propaganda
1. Not evvvvery Slytherin is Evil: Sure our founder was a racist who wanted to kill the "impure" and feed them to his snake.... but Snape!!!!!
2. We have a kick ass dungeon to hang out in
3. MERLIN!!!!
4. SNAKES!!!!
5. WE'RE WINNERS
6. We have great uniforms
6 reasons why it’s great to be a Slytherin | Wizarding World
When an 11-year-old boy is chanting ‘NOT SLYTHERIN! NOT SLYTHERIN!’ endlessly into a Sorting Hat, you may get the impression that this Hogwarts house has an iffy reputation.
www.wizardingworld.com
Like this is actually hilarious
Half i think.
Which I guess makes sense if you want to spread the idea that intellectuals are cowards.
Honestly it's such a shame JK wasn't able to do much with the universe. It's a world with possibilities so rich to be expanded on that is locked down by someone who isn't able to do much with it. Her attempt at expanding the world with Potter more were laughable at best, and the fantastic beasts movies is just sad. All she had to do was make the plot of the movies about exploring the magical world, seeing different countries, seeing the creatures, expanding the universe but nope. Nazi cool Anime special effects battle time.
...There's something kind of ironic about this being posted on 4chan.
Snape didn't just "go on" to become a Death Eater, Snape (and all of Snape's "friends" who Lily had a problem with) was a "Death Eater" in the service of Lord Voldemort, while he was still in school. Young Snape literally joined the Hitler Youth.
Snape had a grudge against James, because James made eyes towards Snape's waifu property. James had a grudge against Snape because... no reason is ever really given.
Snape: "James Potter is a bully! He started our fight by having unclean intentions towards my waifu! Also, he sticks his nose where it doesn't belong and pushes back when me and my Hitler Youth buddies play pranks against the filthy Blacks and Jews who have disgracefully been allowed to enter this school. Plus, I heard that James breaks curfew, that he doesn't listen to the teachers, that he's arrogant, and that he doesn't think the rules apply to him. He gets good grades all the time without even studying. He's a fucking asshole."
Resetera: "Well, I do hate bullies..."
Every Harry Potter thread deserves the reminder that wizards used to shit themselves.
Also deserves mentioning that, assuming wizard kids didn't learn magic until they turned 11 back then as well, then kids basically weren't potty trained until 11. Or perhaps older, because teleportation spells (to teleport the shit to the Pacific Ocean or whatever) are harder than basic kid magic.
Moral of the story is that Harry Potter is dumb and isn't worth too much thought (except for that greentext that's been posted in here).
Also deserves mentioning that, assuming wizard kids didn't learn magic until they turned 11 back then as well, then kids basically weren't potty trained until 11. Or perhaps older, because teleportation spells (to teleport the shit to the Pacific Ocean or whatever) are harder than basic kid magic.
Moral of the story is that Harry Potter is dumb and isn't worth too much thought (except for that greentext that's been posted in here).
Honestly part of the problem is JK decided to give us the most direct glimpse of James through Snape, the good stuff he did is only told not shown to us....
Because you know JK gonna JK
Because you know JK gonna JK
What a dumb question. One literally joined the equivalent of the nazi party and was a firm believer right up until it affected him personally (Lily's death). The other was bully. Oh the horror.
Like I get what with Snape's sob story of a childhood but still, absolutely asinine comparison.
Also, that 4chan post is all kinds of dumb.
Like I get what with Snape's sob story of a childhood but still, absolutely asinine comparison.
Also, that 4chan post is all kinds of dumb.
It also doesn't help many like myself haven't read the books since our childhood so all we really got was the scenes in the film of James bullying Snape and snape crying over lily's body. I genuinely could not remember that Snape did in fact join the magic Nazis besides the period he was acting as Dumbledores spy.
I honestly came to the opposite conclusion: The Harry Potter universe feels incredibly small and limited. The wizarding world simultaneously is too divorced from our own while being too similar to spark the imagination. All those possibilities don't really amount to much beyond "'magic exists".
The only place where there is a decent framework is Hogwarts, and I don't think it's a coincidence that basically all Harry Potter fan content is Hogwarts centric; the Wizarding World outside Hogwarts is just not very interesting even in comparison to our own.
Doesn't help that Snape was beautiful lovely Alan Rickman
I mean if you want to consider the trash fire that is Cursed of Child as canon
Slytherins can be good people, just have difficult personality traits that often makes them assholes
And I say this as someone who has Cursed Child as his most hated sequel to something he loves, beating Dragon Ball GT, The Rise of Skywalker and fucking Eureka Seven AO
James was 15....
You can absolutely grow and change from your asshole teenage self. Snape grew into a Nazi.
Slytherins can be good people, just have difficult personality traits that often makes them assholes
And I say this as someone who has Cursed Child as his most hated sequel to something he loves, beating Dragon Ball GT, The Rise of Skywalker and fucking Eureka Seven AO
James was 15....
You can absolutely grow and change from your asshole teenage self. Snape grew into a Nazi.
Also, kind of funny that Snape became an entirely unrepentant bully towards an innocent child in Harry for as long as he knew him.
OP
OP
It's been awhile since I've read the books but I've always hated James. The arguments for Snape are definitely more solid though. Maybe I'll read the story again and see how I react to everything, especially knowing that Rowling is a TERF now.
There is not.
There is, in fact, evidence to the contrary, what with his entire circle of closest friends being made up of misfits.
Also, since it bears repeating, Snape invented the spell "Levicorpus" for the purposes of attacking and humiliating other students. When James Potter turned the tables and used that exact same spell to humiliate Snape (James had to have seen it often enough to learn it), Snape called that "bullying" and cried that it was totally unfair.
So Snape sulked off and created his new spell, "Sectumsempra", which was basically a laceration shotgun that was entirely capable of permanently maiming or even killing people (George Weasley's ear can never grow back, not even with magic). It's not clear if Snape actually used the shotgun he was carrying to class and James found a way to counter it, or if Snape was just biding his time walking around school carrying a loaded shotgun in his bag, waiting for the right moment to go on his school-shooting rampage.
"Both sides."
So Snape sulked off and created his new spell, "Sectumsempra", which was basically a laceration shotgun that was entirely capable of permanently maiming or even killing people (George Weasley's ear can never grow back, not even with magic). It's not clear if Snape actually used the shotgun he was carrying to class and James found a way to counter it, or if Snape was just biding his time walking around school carrying a loaded shotgun in his bag, waiting for the right moment to go on his school-shooting rampage.
"Both sides."
Given that there's already a murder spell that is better in almost every way than Sectumsempra, and that the only want Sectumsempra is better is if you want your target to suffer before dying, he 100% invented it to maim.