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Who's worse: Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis?
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I said DeSantis. The problem is that DeSantis is a smart guy, and he KNOWS what he's doing and that imo is very dangerous.
It's trump in terms of the damage done to this country. It's trump in terms of likely damage going forward as well as he's likely going to run again and he has the entire Republican party under his knuckles.
But in the scenario that trump doesn't run, I think DeSantis wins in either 2024 or 2028. If that were to happen, we'd have basically a smart trump, and, that prospect terrifies me and it should terrify everybody. And if you want proof of that, just look at how he has handled Florida, except imagine it on a National level with so much more power to push the Right fascist agenda.
But in the scenario that trump doesn't run, I think DeSantis wins in either 2024 or 2028. If that were to happen, we'd have basically a smart trump, and, that prospect terrifies me and it should terrify everybody. And if you want proof of that, just look at how he has handled Florida, except imagine it on a National level with so much more power to push the Right fascist agenda.
Here's a list of things DeSantis probably wouldn't do, were he elected President:
- treat allies like enemies, and enemies like allies
- try to blackmail other countries into fabricating dirt on political rivals
- start tariffs wars with multiple other countries, for no reason whatsoever
- drag non-partisan government entities, like the Park Service (IIRC, over his inauguration size) or Weather Service (over his error, naming an incorrect state in the hurricane path), into political fights over his own insecurities.
- need "adults in the room" to prevent him from...everything. And to explain to him in small words how everything works
- attempt to overthrow the government if he loses re-election - maybe (but only because Trump has set this expectation)
and on and on and on. DeSantis only pretends to be a "smarter Trump". He's not Trump. He's a Republican, which is bad enough, but a DeSantis presidency wouldn't create a Constitutional crisis every week, need administration insiders to assure us that he won't be allowed to nuke anyone if he doesn't get his bottle, or try to host international meetings at his own hotel.
I feel like people are already forgetting how truly horrific the Trump presidency was. Hell, I even left out the Wall.
- treat allies like enemies, and enemies like allies
- try to blackmail other countries into fabricating dirt on political rivals
- start tariffs wars with multiple other countries, for no reason whatsoever
- drag non-partisan government entities, like the Park Service (IIRC, over his inauguration size) or Weather Service (over his error, naming an incorrect state in the hurricane path), into political fights over his own insecurities.
- need "adults in the room" to prevent him from...everything. And to explain to him in small words how everything works
- attempt to overthrow the government if he loses re-election - maybe (but only because Trump has set this expectation)
and on and on and on. DeSantis only pretends to be a "smarter Trump". He's not Trump. He's a Republican, which is bad enough, but a DeSantis presidency wouldn't create a Constitutional crisis every week, need administration insiders to assure us that he won't be allowed to nuke anyone if he doesn't get his bottle, or try to host international meetings at his own hotel.
I feel like people are already forgetting how truly horrific the Trump presidency was. Hell, I even left out the Wall.
Imagine a smarter Donald Trump.
Thats one reason no one wanted Pence to become president.
In that sense...DeSantis has the chance to be worse.
But...as we've witnessed over the past few years....a dumb Trump is still dangerous.
This is one situation where the lesser of 2 evils dont apply for me.
Thats one reason no one wanted Pence to become president.
In that sense...DeSantis has the chance to be worse.
But...as we've witnessed over the past few years....a dumb Trump is still dangerous.
This is one situation where the lesser of 2 evils dont apply for me.
If Trump runs, he will obviously win the primary (he will run in 2024).
If he doesn't? DeSantis has as good a chance as anyone else in the party. I would give him the edge.
The fact many non-Florida peeps know DeSantis tell me it's him now for all the worst reasons. Trump is a rich idiot who won on a mouthpiece.
Barely anyone knew DeSantis in 2018 but now you got people all over talking about how dangerous that Florida governor is.
People better pray to whatever they believe or don't believe that he never becomes President.
Barely anyone knew DeSantis in 2018 but now you got people all over talking about how dangerous that Florida governor is.
People better pray to whatever they believe or don't believe that he never becomes President.
If Trump is still in politics next election cycle, it won't matter what Ron's ambitions are. He doesn't have the charm to win Trump's base over to him.
DeSantis doesn't seem very different from any other GOP empty suit. If it was him in the White House or any other Republican stooge, it would all be the same: a terrible setback for any and all liberal causes.
Trump has a very specific specific kind of personality and brand that makes him the perfect fascist dictator. He came uncomfortably close to actually becoming one, too. DeSantis just doesn't. He's boring and a bad public speaker and his name doesn't work as a verb and he has no brand and is too smart to appeal to idiots like Trump did.
Trump has a very specific specific kind of personality and brand that makes him the perfect fascist dictator. He came uncomfortably close to actually becoming one, too. DeSantis just doesn't. He's boring and a bad public speaker and his name doesn't work as a verb and he has no brand and is too smart to appeal to idiots like Trump did.
DeSantis is just aping trump, right down to the stupid fucking faces he makes. If Trump hadn't weaponized ignorance DeSantis would be nothing.
About equal. Once you reach a certain point it's sort of diminishing returns. Trump tried to end the Republic and I have no doubt that if DeSantis got into power he would try the same.
I think as a president, DeSantis would have probably been worse, because on top of stupidity and incompetence, he also have also have actual plans to do awful things and he's less lazy than Trump, so he might actually get some of them done.
But he's waaaaaaaaaay less electable, the problem with Trump is that he's way more appealing to voters than pretty much any of the "normal" GOP ghouls.
But he's waaaaaaaaaay less electable, the problem with Trump is that he's way more appealing to voters than pretty much any of the "normal" GOP ghouls.