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Why are people so angry about Dragon Quest XI S?

MegaManTrigger

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So amidst all the hype about Dragon Quest XI S finally being revealed in today's Nintendo Direct, I was shocked to see a bit of angry responses on how "scummy" it is of Square Enix to release a definitive version on a different console. Especially when you consider that we've had multiple definitive editions in the past generation.

Why are some of you so mad?

First off, we don't even know if there's an update planned, or if Square Enix plans to release another edition for PS4. Maybe wait until we hear stuff about that before flaring off?
 
Kouriozan

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I can see the 2D stuff being Switch exclusive but no reason they can't update the music of the PS4/PC version.
 
asd202

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Western PS4/PC versions are not even 6 months old. Also there is no reason this content or at least some of it could not be offered as DLC.
 
sensui-tomo

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People are probably mad that theres a new version with more story, but wording from the direct makes it seem like its EXCLUSIVE content vs being lucky as heck and hoping they do an update/DLC ala World of Final Fantasy Maxima.
 
Fat4all

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the only thing i didnt like about the trailer was the narrator
 
Xavillin

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Imagine if the opposite happened. If the Switch version came out last year (the exact same as the PS4 version), but now DQXI P is coming to PS4, with all these new features exclusive to it and the Switch version last year won't get them. Won't you be angry?

Only reason you yourself are not mad is because it's not happening to your platform of choice (not that i'm pointing directly at you).
 
Jawmuncher

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I can see the new story content making some fans mad who played it on PS4/PC. Stuff like the Music I can understand being irked about too. Especially when for PC, they were sending people cease and desists at one point if you tried to mod that in.
 
Maxina

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I don't get it either. The Switch version was one of the first ever titles to be announced for the system back when it was still known as the NX, and it's still not releasing until almost a year after it released in the West for PS4/PC. If anything, PS4/PC players should be happy they already played one of the best RPGs in recent memory and don't have to wait in agony like Switch only players have to.
 
Stoopkid

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Xavillin said:
Imagine if the opposite happened. If the Switch version came out last year (the exact same as the PS4 version), but now DQXI P is coming to PS4, with all these new features exclusive to it and the Switch version last year won't get them. Won't you be angry?

Only reason you yourself are not mad is because it's not happening to your platform of choice (not that i'm pointing directly at you).
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Loudninja

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I imagine peoepl more pissed about the music situation.

This is not some years later deal either so yeah people going to be more pissed.
 
Mechaplum

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I'm angry about the reveal trailer in the Direct because the narrator reminds me so much of Iron Chef dubs that I got distracted.
 
Papercuts

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The music stuff is pretty shitty since it was basically the only glaring issue in the game. At the time it felt like self sabotage since the orchestrated music existed and just wasn't in the game.
 
Jaded Alyx

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Xavillin said:
Imagine if the opposite happened. If the Switch version came out last year (the exact same as the PS4 version), but now DQXI P is coming to PS4, with all these new features exclusive to it and the Switch version last year won't get them. Won't you be angry?

Only reason you yourself are not mad is because it's not happening to your platform of choice (not that i'm pointing directly at you).
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I've played the game already during all this time. This isn't bothering me in the slightest. Not much different from a 'GOTY' edition releasing a year later with all the DLC included and whatever other extras in my opinion.
 
Lant_War

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Because it's still a scummy thing to do when your game came out 5 months ago and when the old versions can be updated without any problem at all, especially when they're the features that your fans requested since launch. Hell, I got this game at $30 and I'm pissed, I imagine the people who got it at $60 on release date would be even more annoyed.
 
ZeroX

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Jaded Alyx said:
Not much different from a 'GOTY' edition releasing a year later with all the DLC included and whatever other extras in my opinion.
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Except GOTY editions usually release on the original platform, this (currently) isn't. Same with definitive editions... they're usually a generation later.

It's probably less egregious for Japan where there will have been a two year gap between 3DS/PS4 and Switch, but here it's less than a year.
 

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Because people spent $60 on this game not even a year ago, and now they're being told they spent money on a product that was inferior all along. Idk, I'm getting DQ11S, but I think it is pretty shameful to not offer the new content to existing owners.
 
The n00b Avenger

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-Buy PS4 version knowing Switch version will be released a little later with new exclusive content.

-Get mad when Switch version is released with new exclusive content
 
HeisenbergWW62

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im not angry, but it is annoying that after paying $60 for a game last year that i would have to buy a completely different version of it if i want these extras, which sound cool. but its no biggie. if the new story content is good, ill grab a switch copy when it drops in price. if its not worth it, ill just stick with my ps4 copy
 
sredgrin

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Because it's clearly not coming? They had plenty of time to clarify it, the new story stuff for instance was known months ago.

Also, typically I'd say 90 percent of definitive editions tend to be multiplatform.

I wouldn't replay it so I'm not personally affected by it (and I played on PC so the music issues was moot), but it's easy to see why some would be annoyed.
 
Taruranto

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Xavillin said:
Imagine if the opposite happened. If the Switch version came out last year (the exact same as the PS4 version), but now DQXI P is coming to PS4, with all these new features exclusive to it and the Switch version last year won't get them. Won't you be angry?
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No, because games re-releases get new stuff added all the time.

DQXI is also a 100+ hours game packed with content, so not exactly lacking in "completeness".
 
RPGamer

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I'm happy about it because it's a good reason to play this gem again. It needed some exclusive features and more story on Switch after that long wait. I mean it was anounced for Switch before we even knew the name of the console....
 
Sanctuary

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So what's different about the music, are they just adding in the orchestrations? Because I've been playing it on PC with that already. Doesn't help PS4 players, but not sure what the fuss is on PC. Is it an entirely new soundtrack?
 
Xavillin

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Jaded Alyx said:
I've played the game already during all this time. This isn't bothering me in the slightest. Not much different from a 'GOTY' edition releasing a year later with all the DLC included and whatever other extras in my opinion.
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Yeah, that's not the same, AT ALL. In fact, it IS much different from a GOTY edition. Try again?
 
ZeroX

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Lant_War said:
Because it's still a scummy thing to do when your game came out 5 months ago and when the old versions can be updated without any problem at all
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Well, not exactly 'without any problem at all'. 11S uses a newer version of Unreal Engine (it's originally a mid 2017 game). Not that customers should be expected to care about that but yeah.

I can't imagine an orchestral toggle would be hard to implement but newer content could be.
 
Jaded Alyx

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ZeroX said:
Except GOTY editions usually release on the original platform, this (currently) isn't. Same with definitive editions... they're usually a generation later.

It's probably less egregious for Japan where there will have been a two year gap between 3DS/PS4 and Switch, but here it's less than a year.
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By the time it releases, it will have been a year
 
clay_ghost

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Xavillin said:
Imagine if the opposite happened. If the Switch version came out last year (the exact same as the PS4 version), but now DQXI P is coming to PS4, with all these new features exclusive to it and the Switch version last year won't get them. Won't you be angry?

Only reason you yourself are not mad is because it's not happening to your platform of choice (not that i'm pointing directly at you).
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This happen all the time to Nintendo Platforms Tbh, it's rarer to see more contents for Nintendo Hardware and perviouly exclusive Nintendo games usually have more contents when ported to somewhere else.
 

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The n00b Avenger said:
-Buy PS4 version knowing Switch version will be released a little later with new exclusive content.

-Get mad when Switch version is released with new exclusive content
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I bought the PC version knowing there would be a Switch version down the road.

I don't care about the midi music, as If I hadn't played hundreds and hundreds of games in the past with midi music.

The only sell point that would make me double dip was the 3DS version, and lo and behold, they added it to the Switch version, so I'm getting it just to play it on 2D.
 
BasilZero

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I have the PS4 ver and plan to buy the PC version in the future.


Not mad about this since I am gonna be buying the Switch version mainly for the 2D mode.
 
Sanctuary

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Non-switch owners are missing out on exclusive story content and orchestral music. The latter especially was a huge sore point for the original release.
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PC users aren't though. I grabbed it at launch and I just grabbed an updated version four days ago without any problems. Unless there's some serious regional issues going on that aren't happening here. Besides that, being orchestrated doesn't make up for boring compositions, which half of them are. It doesn't really compare to DQ VIII in that regard.
 
Mekanos

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I'd be angry if I spent full price on it. I only dropped 35 dollars on it for a PSN sale so I'll take this L on the chin. I knew there was a chance of this when I bought it on PSN.
 
GurrenSwagann

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Probably because the vanilla release had music some fans had a MASSIVE distaste for and it now it seems that what seems to be a fix is being released exclusively on a different platform.
 
Lant_War

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ZeroX said:
Well, not exactly 'without any problem at all'. 11S uses a newer version of Unreal Engine (it's originally a mid 2017 game). Not that customers should be expected to care about that but yeah.
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That might be a problem for the extra story bits or even things like having your party follow you in the overworld, but I don't see why can't they just swap the OST at the very least (besides homophobic war crime denier, I know that).
 

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I absolutely see no problem with releasing everything exclusive to switch and am surprised that people found it so much of a problem.

If all the bad will is purely over the soundtrack, that aspect at least would make sense to provide to existing ps4/pc games

Other content though was made after the game came out and the 2D mode makes sense for portable platforms
 
Loudninja

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The soundtrack stuff was like the only major complaint I seen here to sue how some cant see why people are really annoyed.
 
AztecComplex

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Give me the extra content on PS4 as dlc. Paid dlc even, I'm not demanding a free update like some do here. We got the game a year early so that's fine but give me the option to pay to upgrade to the Definitive Edition please.
 

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Mhhh... isnt this like any other ninty exclusive version. Like battle for atlas for example.

Also minecraft has some exclusive content and no one is complaining...
 
fiendcode

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Xavillin said:
Imagine if the opposite happened. If the Switch version came out last year (the exact same as the PS4 version), but now DQXI P is coming to PS4, with all these new features exclusive to it and the Switch version last year won't get them. Won't you be angry?

Only reason you yourself are not mad is because it's not happening to your platform of choice (not that i'm pointing directly at you).
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Nintendo fans are used to this tbh. RE4, Tales of Symphonia, Viewtiful Joe, Tales of Graces, No More Heroes, Samurai Warriors 3, etc.
 
Altera

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Some of the features, such as the orchestra soundtrack is a up straight slap in the face to people who have already bought the game. At the very least that feature should be a free update to every version.
 
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