Your concern for the poor, poor fat-shaming rich lady is duly noted.mean because you're aware of and unconcerned with being a hypocrite? Cool cool.
Your concern for the poor, poor fat-shaming rich lady is duly noted.mean because you're aware of and unconcerned with being a hypocrite? Cool cool.
You didn't just insult the fat-shaming rich lady.Your concern for the poor, poor fat-shaming rich lady is duly noted.
And I'm sure that's what this is about. You two can go get a room now because I'm done with both of you and your childish tantrums.
Having, say, an eating disorder where you overeat isn't complicating it. Being genetically inclined towards obesity isn't over complicating it. This and many other things are things people who are trying to lose weight simply can't ignore, or overcome by adopting your lifestyle. Certain diets that work for one kind of person might not work for someone else's metabolism, also. This is just, frankly, another form of elitism and failure to show willingness to understand the challenges faced by the overweight.
Yes, this is a normal conversation people have. "Hey friend, should I be at a societally acceptable weight, or should I be at a weight that society will judge and shame? I just can't figure it out!"
Social gatherings are not the reason someone is obese. I know because I go to social gatherings and usually eat like a pig. Why? Because I don't have junk foods around my house. I'm not even some extremely healthy eater, but I just do not keep cookies, candy, chips, brownies, sugary drinks, etc, around my house. And again, because I know about how many calories I'm eating each day I keep my number in check.And I as continue to try and lay out, people CAN make the effort and work hard but still feel demoralized that they don't make the gains they want or attain the image that is presented as being as 'right'. They may do everything right but still struggle with societal and psychological pressures. As an example, someone recognizing their biggest hurdle is dealing with social gatherings and eating/drinking, so they just stop going out as much or at all. Or when they do go out it's an odd time because they're not able to partake as much as they wont because they're counting or fasting. It's easy to slip into a depressive state here, especially when others around you can more easily socialize around food & drink without needing to fight as hard to keep weight off.
When I lost weight the healthcare system had nothing to do with it. In fact, when I decided to lose weight and start tracking my calories I had not been to a doctor in 20 years, and I had no professional help throughout the process.People try to treat obesity like an individual failing but overlook the fact that the causes of it are manifold and not all of them can be easily controlled (i.e., people don't exercise enough? what if one of the reasons is chronic joint pain) and as a result we can't comment on an individual's health just from their appearance because of all the things we don't know because it's private information and none of our business. So then the public health crisis argument comes out because actually it is our business because we have to deal with it, and then those same arguments just ignore the fact that, as I mentioned before, the American health care system in particular and the American food market are too expensive for a large portion of its citizens to participate in and are the only feasible ways to actually address this issue, because you can't solve structural issues at individual levels. And then they complain this discussion is off-topic, because they don't want to admit the real issue is fat women in public make them uncomfortable
It's almost as if health and biology is a complicated thing and not all bodies are the same ....
Different things work for different people and sometimes people don't have the means or resources to follow the lifestyle needed to suit their needs.
Also some of y'all forget that even active and fit people can still develop heart problems or diabetes due to genetics.
Having, say, an eating disorder where you overeat isn't complicating it. Being genetically inclined towards obesity isn't over complicating it. This and many other things are things people who are trying to lose weight simply can't ignore, or overcome by adopting your lifestyle. Certain diets that work for one kind of person might not work for someone else's metabolism, also. This is just, frankly, another form of elitism and failure to show willingness to understand the challenges faced by the overweight.
Shockingly, the biggest loser is still on (I think it moved channels though it's not on NBC).I think Jillian Michaels is terrible and The Biggest Loser was (is?) incredibly dangerous and irresponsible.
You mean the host? Michael's simply responded to her question. And I'm still not seeing fat shaming from her response, regardless of my opinion of Michaels.We are, and that's what many of her fans pick up on from her body positive message. It's the host and Michaels thinking it means "celebrate obesity".
Your concern for the poor, poor fat-shaming rich lady is duly noted.
And I'm sure that's what this is about. You two can go get a room now because I'm done with both of you and your childish tantrums.
People aren't as special as they think. It works for the average person.
Dangerous misinformation here.
BMI is a tool used to assess the fitness levels of individuals in a population. It is useful because it is calculated based on height and weight which are two measurements very easy for most people to get. Of course there will be outliers and of course there are better methods of assessing how fit someone is but it is a useful 'at a glance' indicator by both laypeople as well as medical personnel.
BMI is only inaccurate when it comes to muscular athletes. A fact which excludes the vast majority of people.
No matter how many times you parrot this BS it doesn't make it any more true. The fact that it doesn't work on some outliers doesn't mean it's useless.
I have worked in health in so many different areas and I've never encountered this.
Having, say, an eating disorder where you overeat isn't complicating it. Being genetically inclined towards obesity isn't over complicating it. This and many other things are things people who are trying to lose weight simply can't ignore, or overcome by adopting your lifestyle. Certain diets that work for one kind of person might not work for someone else's metabolism, also. This is just, frankly, another form of elitism and failure to show willingness to understand the challenges faced by the overweight.
Might want to re-think I dont understand the challenges faced by the obese
Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/progresspics/comments/857th0/m3158_225_169_56_204_months_high_school_me_vs/
between that I got 'fat strong' at some point and obviously was still able to lose weight. Again, it's not overcomplicated. You're either eating too much and gaining, or not enough and losing.
And? You still only have an understanding of the challenges faced regarding your body and your state of mind. Being formerly fat doesn't make you an expert, and it doesn't mean that the methods you used will work for everyone else who is obese.
it will work for the vast majority of people.
You're the person who's unhelpful. When simple advice like eat less move more gets picked apart by folks like you, it discourages people from trying.
You're a privileged person who can't see past his own experiences.
Nah he's right though.
When people peddle misinformation like "BMI is inaccurate" "genetics matter" you are basically peddling 1% cases as if they are the norm. For the vast majority of the population BMI works. Genetics don't make you obese. Calories in and out works.
My friend might have an easier time losing weight than I do.Except recent studies have shown that genetics can affect up to 40-70% of obesity.
It's not exactly destiny, but these things affect everything from fat retention to the attitude that people towards food and other predispositions that have a huge effect on weight and weight loss.
And for the record I never said anything about the BMI so don't attribute things like that to me.
I was there also. I wouldn't argue with this guy though. His entire post is excuses that affect few that many love to use because they simply lack self control, want instant results, and will not put the effort in. It takes serious dedication and time.Might want to re-think I dont understand the challenges faced by the obese
Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/progresspics/comments/857th0/m3158_225_169_56_204_months_high_school_me_vs/
between that I got 'fat strong' at some point and obviously was still able to lose weight. Again, it's not overcomplicated. You're either eating too much and gaining, or not enough and losing.
There's no reason to shit on fat people. I always go out of my way to introduce myself at my gym, tell my story, and cheer them on. They need it.
At least he didn't say "thyroid" or "lack of time" Those are my least favorite.
How up your own ass can you be lmao
I've been on food stamps, had shelter meals, and eaten garbage. You can always eat less if you are obese for a long period of time.Feh. It is absolutely, 100%, without question better to eat something crap but edible at a regular meal time than to forgo eating altogether due to the lack of something better.
I always go out of my way to introduce myself at my gym, tell my story, and cheer them on. They need it.
Inside we all want to be accepted. People show up to a gym trying to make positive change, but many get scared off because they feel like they don't belong. Encouraging others, pushing them, laughing with them and making it fun helps a lot of people because it's as much social as it is physical and mental. You have a problem with me making friends with people and encouraging them? Something is wrong with you then, and you should mull that over and get it sorted. We're in a thread about acceptance, and you're discouraging welcoming behavior. Ridiculous.do us fat people a favour and don't go out of your way to "cheer us on" because "we need it" holy jesus christ
Not at all what it's about. Mental gymnastics though and all that. You don't want people to be cruel, but you don't want them to be kind either.
Lousy excuses are lously excuses. I work 6-7 days a week between two jobs. I find the time. It's the same for anyone who really wants it. You can make time, or you cannot. Accept that you don't want it rather than make excuses. How many hours a week do you spend posting? Watching Netflix? Going out to eat, clubs, bars, playing video games? You need 3 one hour workouts a week to make massive change.
Inside we all want to be accepted. People show up to a gym trying to make positive change, but many get scared off because they feel like they don't belong. Encouraging others, pushing them, laughing with them and making it fun helps a lot of people because it's as much social as it is physical and mental. You have a problem with me making friends with people and encouraging them? Something is wrong with you then, and you should mull that over and get it sorted. We're in a thread about acceptance, and you're discouraging welcoming behavior. Ridiculous.
Inside we all want to be accepted. People show up to a gym trying to make positive change, but many get scared off because they feel like they don't belong. Encouraging others, pushing them, laughing with them and making it fun helps a lot of people because it's as much social as it is physical and mental. You have a problem with me making friends with people and encouraging them? Something is wrong with you then, and you should mull that over and get it sorted. We're in a thread about acceptance, and you're discouraging welcoming behavior. Ridiculous.
Not at all what it's about. Mental gymnastics though and all that.
Lousy excuses are lously excuses. I work 6-7 days a week between two jobs. I find the time. It's the same for anyone who really wants it. You can make time, or you can not. Accept that you don't want it rather than make excuses.
Ok boomer.Lousy excuses are lously excuses. I work 6-7 days a week between two jobs. I find the time. It's the same for anyone who really wants it. You can make time, or you can not. Accept that you don't want it rather than make excuses.
Inside we all want to be accepted. People show up to a gym trying to make positive change, but many get scared off because they feel like they don't belong. Encouraging others, pushing them, laughing with them and making it fun helps a lot of people because it's as much social as it is physical and mental. You have a problem with me making friends with people and encouraging them? Something is wrong with you then, and you should mull that over and get it sorted. We're in a thread about acceptance, and you're discouraging welcoming behavior. Ridiculous.
Not at all what it's about. Mental gymnastics though and all that.
Lousy excuses are lously excuses. I work 6-7 days a week between two jobs. I find the time. It's the same for anyone who really wants it. You can make time, or you can not. Accept that you don't want it rather than make excuses.
Why do people never just call out the postersI see Era's progressiveness is as two-faced as ever. You'd think not being shitty towards plus-sized people would be a straightforward thing.
Social gatherings are not the reason someone is obese. I know because I go to social gatherings and usually eat like a pig. Why? Because I don't have junk foods around my house. I'm not even some extremely healthy eater, but I just do not keep cookies, candy, chips, brownies, sugary drinks, etc, around my house. And again, because I know about how many calories I'm eating each day I keep my number in check.
But when I go to a social gathering I often let loose on the cookies and bullshit, because I'm not doing that the vast majority of the time. That's the thing. Because I track what I eat the vast majority of the time, when I go to a special event or dinner somewhere I let loose for that specific occasion and don't even worry about tracking a thing. Those occasions alone will not make someone gain weight.
Now, if you want to go out and live it up several days a week, well yeah, good luck with that.
When I lost weight the healthcare system had nothing to do with it. In fact, when I decided to lose weight and start tracking my calories I had not been to a doctor in 20 years, and I had no professional help throughout the process.
A person could lose tons of weight without doing any sort of exercise. If you know how many calories you're eating each day and you keep yourself at a deficit you will lose weight. Exercise is simply an additive element, and of course it's good for your overall health, but in terms of weight loss, it's merely an accessory.
You're inferring things that aren't there. I can't help you with that. I've admitted I myself am weak willed and what I had to do to work around it. I can't fix it, but I can make it more difficult to give in to.LOL
your language in the original post you made was infantilising and preachy. it wasn't about encouraging people, it was about patting those poor poor fat people on the back, who have no self control and need all the help they can get.
get the fuck outta here.
Which one would you like to talk about? I'm poor working multiple jobs. I suffer from severe depression (something exercise has helped with but not solved), can't afford therapy most of the time, don't receive assistance, have taken medications which directly impact my metabolism, and have extreme anxiety and confidence issues. I am someone that has a very hard time making friends as I was bullied my whole life as I started going bald when I was twelve, stress ate, and became obese which was, at this point, also most of my life.Here you are talking down to people about excuses like you know anything about their lifestyles, economic status, and physical and mental capacities, and telling people they're just making up excuses. Blatant concern trolling.
I was there also. I wouldn't argue with this guy though. His entire post is excuses that affect few that many love to use because they simply lack self control, want instant results, and will not put the effort in. It takes serious dedication and time.
There's no reason to shit on fat people. I always go out of my way to introduce myself at my gym, tell my story, and cheer them on. They need it. But people like this guy are nothing but excuses. At least he didn't say "thyroid" or "lack of time" Those are my least favorite.
As someone who is also very weak willed and had to simply remove all the stuff from my house, buying food several times a week instead of weekly, I don't accept excuses from most people. Be happy with yourself, or do something about it. Don't waterboard us with bullshit.
You're inferring things that aren't there. I can't help you with that. I've admitted I myself am weak willed and what I had to do to work around it. I can't fix it, but I can make it more difficult to give in to.
Which one would you like to talk about? I'm poor working multiple jobs. I suffer from severe depression, can't afford therapy most of the time, don't receive assistance, take medications which directly impact my metabolism, and have extreme anxiety and confidence issues. I am someone that has a very hard time making friends as I was bullied my whole life as I started going bald when I was twelve, stress ate, and became obese which was, at this point, also most of my life.
I've had a very rough go. I believe that most people can do it if someone as pathetic as I was and still am in many ways could. I believe most people are better than me. Truly.
You have a problem with me thinking more of others than they think of themselves. As proven time and again people see themselves differently than others do. If only we could see how others see us.
I wouldn't tell you you're making excuses. You're a perfect example of what is possible and how people can change if they really want to.I've fought tooth and nail to lose 200 pounds in the last five years, and am still losing weight, and continuing to do everything I can to overcome my limitations. Don't tell me I'm making any god damned excuses.
I wouldn't tell you you're making excuses. You're a perfect example of what is possible and how people can change if they really want to.
I don't disagree, but many health organisations and specialists are highly concerned about the obesity crisis and its future (and present) implications. Iirc there was some research recently that showed normalising obese imagery was already accelerating the slip slide into further crisis. I e. It will harm the individual, but also put vast and increasing pressure on health services and resources (it already costs more to health services and governments than cancer, iirc).People should be celebrated and encouraged to be who they are as long as it's not detrimental to other people. We can talk about optimal or "ideal" health just fine without requiring the pursuit of such to be a precondition to treat people well.
And here's why I think you're misunderstanding me. It's often hard to read people and their intentions in text form. So, let me try to make this clear. I don't insult fat people, I don't criticize them. If they are happy with who they are, then they don't need to change.If you went through all that experience, I would think you would have more empathy for how truly difficult it is to do, and you wouldn't say people are just making excuses. Same shit people tell drug addicts. I've lost 100 pounds in a year. I wouldn't even say it was particularly hard for me, just took a while and took some good eating and exercising habits. But my experience isn't everyone's. I would never, ever say people who are struggling with their weight are "making excuses." Acting sanctimonious because "I did it too, why can't others" is unhelpful at best.
That post is excuses. You are doing it in spite of those things, are you not? So despite what you may identify as your own weaknesses, you're doing it. You know it's possible. You know who you are inside and that you may not be the toughest person out there mentally. Maybe you identify as weak, like I do. But you still did it. We are, in many ways, our own worst enemies. Certainly you don't think you're special. If you can make such changes, then you surely believe that others can as well.You yourself said my entire post was excuses.
And don't use me to prop up your argument. Everything I've been through was far more involved than "eat fewer calories". It's taken counseling, a massive overhaul of my living situation, and much, much more.
I don't disagree, but many health organisations and specialists are highly concerned about the obesity crisis and its future (and present) implications. Iirc there was some research recently that showed normalising obese imagery was already accelerating the slip slide into further crisis. I e. It will harm the individual, but also put vast and increasing pressure on health services and resources (it already costs more to health services and governments than cancer, iirc).
(I'm not saying this is in any way relevant to Lizzo, body positivity, etc. Diet and weight is a super complex thing and people should never feel ashamed. I'm just pointing out there is sincere and well-researched health concern around it, not just shaming and normalisation BS like what this woman said.)
I understand fat-shaming doesn't work, and I've had(have?) eating disorders.It's not a new or contentious thing that fat-shaming is counter intuitive to motivating people to lose weight.
100% agreethe fact that obesity is an epidemic and is getting worse is 100% correct. the thing is, when it comes to fat people, suddenly all knowledge of social determinants of health gets thrown out the window and people default to "people just need to stop being lazy" (i'm not saying you said this, but it's rife in this thread)
for example, take drug use. if "you need to stop doing drugs" was all it took to cure addiction, we'd have no addicts. if "you need to pull your socks up and stop using drugs, this is all your fault" worked, we'd have no addicts
but we know that this shit is complicated! factors like mental health, poverty status, race, gender, all sorts of shit plays into addiction. it's not an easy problem and it's not an easy fix.
but weight loss? "it's calorie in calories out, stop being lazy. i did it, you can do it. if you're not losing weight you're doing something wrong. fat people need to stop being glorified (read: included) in society. it's easy. no excuses."
what about better work/life balance so people don't feel exhausted by the end of the day, so they have more time to exercise and cook nutritious food? what about accessible health care so that people can visit dieticians and doctors to work out sustainable weight loss options? what about subsidised gym costs? what about the ever increasing cost of living which means fast food and take out is often the most affordable option for poorer families? no? just "stop being lazy"? yeah okay.
A lot of obese people need therapy first, nutrition second, and exercise as the last step.the fact that obesity is an epidemic and is getting worse is 100% correct. the thing is, when it comes to fat people, suddenly all knowledge of social determinants of health gets thrown out the window and people default to "people just need to stop being lazy" (i'm not saying you said this, but it's rife in this thread)
for example, take drug use. if "you need to stop doing drugs" was all it took to cure addiction, we'd have no addicts. if "you need to pull your socks up and stop using drugs, this is all your fault" worked, we'd have no addicts
but we know that this shit is complicated! factors like mental health, poverty status, race, gender, all sorts of shit plays into addiction. it's not an easy problem and it's not an easy fix.
but weight loss? "it's calorie in calories out, stop being lazy. i did it, you can do it. if you're not losing weight you're doing something wrong. fat people need to stop being glorified (read: included) in society. it's easy. no excuses."
what about better work/life balance so people don't feel exhausted by the end of the day, so they have more time to exercise and cook nutritious food? what about accessible health care so that people can visit dieticians and doctors to work out sustainable weight loss options? what about subsidised gym costs? what about the ever increasing cost of living which means fast food and take out is often the most affordable option for poorer families? no? just "stop being lazy"? yeah okay.