Oh boy, you missed one hell of a thread
https://www./threads/betting-time-do-you-think-the-switch-will-be-a-success.1333545/
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Why do people treat every new Nintendo IP a sales failure even when they are objectively not?
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https://www./threads/betting-time-do-you-think-the-switch-will-be-a-success.1333545/
Hal also developed and published their own iOS game (Part Time UFO) and even microconsole (Pasocom Mini MZ-80C) recently. They also selfpublished several of their own Virtual Console titles over the years (Adventures of Lolo 1-2, Revenge of the Gator).
IntSys hasn't done anything non-Nintendo too recently but they did handle a couple Dragon Quest releases for Square Enix last gen (DQ Wars on DSiWare and DQ I•II•III Collection on Wii).
lol pure gold.
"Nope
Not at all lmao
I don't think it'll come close to outselling the Wii U actually" :D
I thought Nintendo EPD had a pretty healthy presence on the development side alongside Platinum. Hitoshi Yamagami was one of the producers at least, and he's a Nintendo producer who worked on a ton of Intelligent Systems and MonolithSoft games
EDIT: Yup, EPD 1 is credited as a co-developer.
Gotcha. But didn't a ton of different outlets predict Switch wouldn't sell as well as it's doing? I don't think NeoGAF was unique in that regard.
Now read the Vita thread:
https://www./threads/playstation-vita-two-hundred-forty-nine-us-dollars-249.432772/
"Sucks to be Nintendo"
"Spider-Man (one of the world's most known superheroes) is niche"
Bubbles.
Or it's not a sprawling triple aaye third person adventure featuring a white dude with a gun/sword which is all the sad old coots ever really want
Both ARMS and 1-2 Switch sold pretty well.
Unfortunately Sushi Striker likely bombed.(I love the game). Honestly I'm not even sure Nintendo remembers Sushi Striker exists. I don't think it has ever been on discount on the eshop, which is bizarre.
Unfortunately Sushi Striker likely bombed.(I love the game). Honestly I'm not even sure Nintendo remembers Sushi Striker exists. I don't think it has ever been on discount on the eshop, which is bizarre.
That's the thing. 2m isn't enough to guarantee a sequel from an internal Nintendo team, because their time is at a premium, now more than ever. It'll definitely get some consideration, but I also wouldn't be surprised to see it join the likes of wave race 64, Nintendoland ,Nintendogs & cats, for a few examples of games that definitely sold enough to justify another sequel in the series, yet seem to have been ended prematurely.
It's definitely possible, but it's not a guarantee like Splatoon was (nearly 5m on Wii u can't be understated as how much of a massive success it was)
Hey, as an old coot I resent that you forgot to add zombies/undead.
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...There was literally an ongoing tournament in ARMS right now...
People said Splatoon was a failure? The series has problems but as someone who followed the game closely it has never felt like the game wasn't generally praised and recognized as selling well. Splatoon 2 has sold amazingly well. I think people are generally fairly honest with Nintendo new IP, and if anything overly positive with the output through droughts, ports, and low budget titles they frequently dump out.
Splatoon 1 was famously predicted to bomb terribly on GAF and Splatoon 2 was treated as a port of Splatoon 1 for the longest time
OP, you're asking a loaded question (see: "Have you stopped beating your wife?"). I certainly didn't see people calling Splatoon a failure at launch.
Or are we just using this thread to whine about people shittalking Nintendo?
This thread isn't talking about predictions though, it's talking about how people talk about sales after the game comes out.
Or are we just using this thread to whine about people shittalking Nintendo?
How does this equals support? There are no new stages, characters etc
The "Arms did well for a 3D fighter!" argument is nonsensical, there is no reason Nintendo EPD had to make a 3D Fighter and those resources could have gone to making a different type of game. Arms is from a developer who usually sells 15m-25m units per game they make, they can probably do better than 2m with a new IP.
To be fair, that's Metroid numbers, and you'll find no shortage of people here saying Metroid never sold well.
Why would that number of sales for 1-2 Switch justify it never getting a price drop to $30 or $20? I've never understood the logic used by people that every single game Nintendo sells does so well consistently that there's no need for them to ever get permanent price drops.
That thread should be required reading for anyone posting in sales prediction threads.
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I thought support was...supporting the game, with events and stuff to keep the community involved.
But that does not mean ARMS is the sales failure or even a disappointment. It might be a disappointment to you because it's not the next MK but that does not mean that ARMS is a failure
That's more Nintendo's philosophy than sales figures. Nintendo only discounts their games if it bombs terribly.
Basically, let's be Nintendo for a second.
You have the Mario Kart team here and you want to rank their projects in terms of what you want from them.
-Mario Kart 9
-Arms 2
-Support work on 2D Mario, 3D Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Splatoon, etc to make them come out faster.
-Another new IP
Is there any chance you don't rank Arms 2 fourth on this list.
You have the Mario Kart team here and you want to rank their projects in terms of what you want from them.
-Mario Kart 9
-Arms 2
-Support work on 2D Mario, 3D Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Splatoon, etc to make them come out faster.
-Another new IP
Is there any chance you don't rank Arms 2 fourth on this list.
This pretty much, I don't understand the obsession with sales data and reviews scores.
The only non-Pokémon that I am aware that did poorly in sales was Tembo the Badass, which is due to the fact Game Freak fan base being on the Nintendo platform and the game itself was released on a non-Nintendo platform.
To be fair, a lot of Publishers thought it would a failure along with the CEO of The Pokémon Company.
1. nintendo and their games are held to a much higher standard. some multiplat or exclusive game selling 10 million to a huge audience of 100 million or more is made out to be a huge deal, but nintendo publishing four or five 10 million sellers on a new platform with a much smaller userbase is downplayed. similarly, a low budget nintendo game doing "only" 2 millions means it's a failure when some huge "AAA" games with 10 times the budget and team size can't get to those numbers.
2. some people want most nintendo things to fail. when they don't (which is most of the time) they put their head in the sand and just assume that it failed anyway.
3. based on most non-dedicated sales threads, many people are just completely clueless about actual sales data and the gaming market in general, and sometimes they assume the games they're interested in must have done well and the games they aren't into probably failed.
2. some people want most nintendo things to fail. when they don't (which is most of the time) they put their head in the sand and just assume that it failed anyway.
3. based on most non-dedicated sales threads, many people are just completely clueless about actual sales data and the gaming market in general, and sometimes they assume the games they're interested in must have done well and the games they aren't into probably failed.
I should have read Thatguy's post better, but I was mainly responding to the idea that people were overly positive about it.
Are we sure that Arms was that low budget.
I'm sure it made money, but there were serious resources put into it that could have been put elsewhere.
What community? Without new content these GaaS games don't get traction, imagine if overwatch didn't get new characters and stuff, it would be dead in the water.
What kind of question is this? I highly doubt it's so black and white. ARMS 2 could happen. The foundation and good sales are there. They just need to add more.
Elitism rules gaming forums. It's why people will dismiss stuff like 1-2 switch immediately because it doesn't fit their mindset of what they want in a videogame.
Yet stay begging for new IPs.
Its like people want to see companies try new things only to shit on them for doing so lol
i didn't mention arms at all, but for a new fighting game IP on a new platform, it did really well.
There is also a problem of constistency.
How can a community believe that the Vita is an assured success at 250$/300$ and, at the same time, think that the Switch with Zelda, MK8D, Splatoon, Super Mario Odyssey, Xenoblade all coming in its first year is going to be DOA at 300$ ?
Okay so, again, Nintendo EPD didn't need to make a 3D Fighting game.
It's still a new IP. And not just a fighter but an arena fighter. To put things in perspective with a single game it's outsold some of the bigger entire series in it's subgenre like Power Stone or Virtual-On. The only things that can match/exceed it really are select multiplats that carry a popular license (DBXenoverse, Jump Force, etc)
Comparing it to Mario Kart, a decades long running series in a bigger genre starring gaming's biggest cultural icon, is nonsensical. The Captain Toad vs 3D Mario comparison is apt, or (upcoming) decrying Link's Awakening for not matching BOTW, Prime 4 for not matching DKCR, etc.
thanks, just reading now, oh my...
Edit p.s. amazing thread, people weren't just a bit wrong, some were expecting this to end Nintendo...
If everything new they do fails, they'll eventually be forced to make the things I want them to make!!!
I've genuinely seen that one
I've genuinely seen that one