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SugarNoodles

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Nov 3, 2017
8,625
Portland, OR
Spiderman is 'ok' because he's poor, makes jokes and his abilities come from having accidently gained 'superpowers' which gives him a license to beat up blue collar thugs all day long. Batman doesn't have powers so everything he tries to accomplish is an active choice which makes him more controversial. This is further exacerbated by having been written as rich in order to explain how he had the time to train, develop his skills and bankroll all his infrastructure and gadgets in an era where wealth didn't carry automatic assumptions of corruption. If his origin was he'd been bitten by a radioactive bat then I doubt there would be anything like the 'controversy'. He also wouldn't be remotely interesting.

Bat haters don't like seeing a rich white guy portrayed in any sort of positive context. It confuses their core convictions.
Seems like you've got a persecution fantasy brewing.

The thing is that Spiderman's origins make it even worse. He has his research on prosthetic limbs stolen by an evil tech CEO, then goes out to beat up "thugs" and taunt them about not getting a real job, and then he goes home just in time to get evicted for not being able to afford his rent.
 

PSqueak

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wouldn't the nature of batman's line of work make any evidence he turns to the authorities completely inadmissible in court?

Imagine Batman doing a major takedown of a high profile white collar corrupt mob boss or whatever, he gets hard evidence and shit, everything he needs to put the guy behind jail, then what happens? The mob boss' lawyer would be like, "batman is an unlawful vigilante and criminal himself, as far as we know this man could have fabricated the evidence, how can we trust a criminal or even a man who doesn't reveal his own face?", then what happens? The case gets dismissed and all the evidence becomes inadmissible, or Batman unmasks and details every single action he took and how, landing him in jail as well as damaging greatly wayne enterprises and probably getting his shit confiscated. All to get one guy.

As a vigilante, Batman's only way to deal with things is the punchy way.
 

Weiss

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Oct 25, 2017
64,265
Batman lives in a universe where Crime is defined by jerks who do it for its own sake.
 

Pau

Self-Appointed Godmother of Bruce Wayne's Children
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Oct 25, 2017
5,846
I don't think the writers usually know or care to know enough about white collar crime to even write about it.
 

Hassel

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Oct 25, 2017
1,363
His parents where not killed by a Ponzi scheme....
 

sapien85

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Nov 8, 2017
5,427
To reinforce rich white people stealing millions is less criminal than a street thug stealing a purse.
 

BossAttack

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Oct 27, 2017
42,983
It's bad faith criticism. It's NOT thinking. It's criticizing something not for what it is, but for something it never was and was never gonna be.

It should be plainly obvious why a simplistic superhero character is ill suited to be tackling climate change deniers. That's not "don't think about things". This is a character that's been in thousands of comics, movies, video games, cartoons, etc by millions of creatives. You think NOBODY has come across this idea? You think there aren't countless examples of Bruce Wayne building better schools and donating to prison reform? Do you not understand why this will never, ever be the mainstream status quo of this character? It's not built for that kind of thing. You might as well ask why doesn't Mario have a sit down conversation with Bowser instead of going on yet another adventure to save Peach. That's not intellectualism, that's just a bald face refusal to even understand what the concept and appeal of a pop culture character is.

Let's stop perpetuating the myth that Batman is beating up economically disadvantaged PoC for a laugh. The vast majorities of Batman comics aren't about him stealing from government aid programs or beating up homeless trying to eat. He fights criminal masterminds who have huge resources. They have henchmen, black market arms and themed bombs, doomsday plots, they pay off Gotham PD officers, etc. these are people too big for regular police encounters, who threaten the well being of Gotham citizens, or often the whole world. It's a story of one person dedicating his life to making the world safe, so nobody could have their entire world shattered like his when he was a kid coming out of Mask of Zorro on crime alley.

The base appeal of Batman is down to the universal intuitive understanding of Good and Bad, heroes and villians, white hats and black hats. The story is not improved, nor would it be more popular, if Batman decided his next exciting adventure was gonna be writing an expose about political corruption in Gotham or 22 pages of him in a suit shaking hands and donating to Sofialist leaning candidates.

Facts.
 

Weiss

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Oct 25, 2017
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If you're coming at this from the position of "why don't superheroes solve REAL problems" then I can't help you. The characters aren't built to answer these questions, and those who have called that criticism intellectually dishonest are on point. You might as well ask why Harry Potter didn't shoot Voldemort with a gun.

Batman can only defeat evil billionaires if they do something supervillainous, like how in Blue Beetle a giant typhoon man was attacking a coastal town, so long story short he bought the hotels of an evil businessman who was letting people die in the typhoon. He's a superhero, and he's built to fight super crime.

Another thing I want to touch on is that Wayne Industries is a plot device. It exists, solely, to let Batman afford all of his wonderful toys. While occasionally you'll get a moment where Batman talks about putting his money towards some altruistic use it'll never actually affect him because his money is as vast and nebulous as all other superpowers.
 

Window

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Oct 27, 2017
8,283
No I want to know who are the executives and line managers at Wayne Industries, how many different markets are they in, what's their staff satisfaction and turnover like, what Glassdoor rating does Bruce Wayne have, is it bigger than Apple?
 

Blindy

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Nov 16, 2017
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Hasn't he fought Anarky in some hacking battles or when Anarky tries to go after corrupted bodies?
 

The Albatross

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Oct 25, 2017
39,028
So is Superman

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$1b in back taxes seems a little excessive
 
Oct 25, 2017
7,523
In Batman Return I remember Max Shriek wanted to do some shady business with Power plants using Wayne corp and Bruce Wayne shut that down.

Keaton Batman stays best Batman.

Wouldn't the nature of batman's line of work make any evidence he turns to the authorities completely inadmissible in court?

Imagine Batman doing a major takedown of a high profile white collar corrupt mob boss or whatever, he gets hard evidence and shit, everything he needs to put the guy behind jail, then what happens? The mob boss' lawyer would be like, "batman is an unlawful vigilante and criminal himself, as far as we know this man could have fabricated the evidence, how can we trust a criminal or even a man who doesn't reveal his own face?", then what happens? The case gets dismissed and all the evidence becomes inadmissible, or Batman unmasks and details every single action he took and how, landing him in jail as well as damaging greatly wayne enterprises and probably getting his shit confiscated. All to get one guy.

As a vigilante, Batman's only way to deal with things is the punchy way.

Good point, you'd need to be the greatest detective in the world or something to take down those guys.
 

Ferulci

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Oct 31, 2017
210
It's bad faith criticism. It's NOT thinking. It's criticizing something not for what it is, but for something it never was and was never gonna be.

It should be plainly obvious why a simplistic superhero character is ill suited to be tackling climate change deniers. That's not "don't think about things". This is a character that's been in thousands of comics, movies, video games, cartoons, etc by millions of creatives. You think NOBODY has come across this idea? You think there aren't countless examples of Bruce Wayne building better schools and donating to prison reform? Do you not understand why this will never, ever be the mainstream status quo of this character? It's not built for that kind of thing. You might as well ask why doesn't Mario have a sit down conversation with Bowser instead of going on yet another adventure to save Peach. That's not intellectualism, that's just a bald face refusal to even understand what the concept and appeal of a pop culture character is.
And we're done here. You're doing God's work.
I cant wait for "Why isnt Batman fighting flat earth truthers" and "why isnt Bruce Wayne following the Keto Diet" topic.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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instead of tackling the root of crime by investing his billions into better schools/housing causes far more problems than it solves...
This is such bs,
Batman does this in like every iteration but obviously it can't make a difference in a significant way or Gotham City wouldn't need Batman and there'd be no Batman stories to sell/milk.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Because the punchy method is more exciting as entertainment to write/read/film/watch when it comes to a comic character like Bruce who exists to put on a bat suit and fire imaginary gadgets at people. He's called Batman. That's his purpose as a character, he's not a real person. Corporate warfare can and has been an aspect of him but the reality is that it will always circle back around to a man dressed as a bat beating people up at night because he's Batman. He's not Officeman. He's crazy. It doesn't matter how effective or not his methods are in the grand scheme of things, he's fucked in the head and punching dudes is what he does. He ran out of bubblegum 79 years ago.
He really should stop Lex Luthor from stealing those 40 cakes
40 cakes?!
That's terrible.
 
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PK Gaming

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Oct 25, 2017
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Batman canonically contributes to white-collar crime

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He's always been an idealistic, naive idiot taking out his grief and aggression on criminals
 

Window

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Oct 27, 2017
8,283
That's not really white collar crime.

White collar crime isn't the same thing as business or Financial crime.

But that's not really white collar crime. Financial crime isn't really white-collar crime.

The real answer is that while white collar harm way more people then street crimes the writer have no idea what it is and the true effect of it besides the dude didnt his taxes

There much more to white collar crime then tax fraud.

Guys, there is much more to white collar crime then just tax stuff.

If only someone who knew what constitutes as white collar crime could clarify and bother to explain what white collar crime is. If only.