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Why hasnt square made another (console) FFT game

Youngfossil

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Final Fantasy Tactics is regarded as one of their best games EVER. But they only released mobile sequels and never went full in on a real follow up.

And by todays standard it's probably cheaper to make (doesn't need crazy graphics) and would sell a ton.

Square seem to want to make the worst type of their games.
 
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Glass Arrows

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Part of it is probably Matsuno leaving. I guess you could ask why they never made another one before they left though.
 
Cheezeman3000

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Modern Square Enix doesn't think turn-based systems can sell a game for some reason. So they definitely won't make another Tactics-like game. I'd look elsewhere for that type of gameplay moving forward.

BTW, I agree, FFT is fantastic.
 
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Youngfossil

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Cheezeman3000 said:
Modern Square Enix doesn't think turn-based systems can sell a game for some reason. So they definitely won't make another Tactics-like game. I'd look elsewhere for that type of gameplay moving forward.

BTW, I agree, FFT is fantastic.
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Yet Octipath traveler sold gang busters. But they will ignore that of course.
 
Dust

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We are not worthy I guess.
Ramza shits on all FF protagonists from different galaxy.
 
Glass Arrows

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One thing I will say though is, if Square ever decides to fund another one, I hope Matsuno doesn't go with his original plan of making a prequel with Balbanes. That really doesn't sound all that appealing to me, I'd rather have a new story or continuation.
 
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When S-E started Tokyo RPG Factory, I thought surely there's the path to a new FFT console game. Unfortunately, it seems like S-E wants that studio to make new IPs rather than work on existing IPs.
 
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Youngfossil

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Glass Arrows said:
One thing I will say though is, if Square ever decides to fund another one, I hope Matsuno doesn't go with his original plan of making a prequel with Balbanes. That really doesn't sound all that appealing to me, I'd rather have a new story or continuation.
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Has to be a new story. FFT wrapped up everything. No reason to tant it
 
DiipuSurotu

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That's like asking why doesn't Sega make another Shining Force game. Tactical RPGs just don't sell anymore.
 
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Youngfossil said:
Has to be a new story. FFT wrapped up everything. No reason to tant it
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RedSwirl

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DiipuSurotu said:
That's like asking why doesn't Sega make another Shining Force game. Tactical RPGs just don't sell anymore.
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On 4chan yesterday there was a thread asking why tactical RPGs were dead, and it almost immediately became apparent that only Japanese tactical RPGs are on the decline. I can't think of many modern ones on like the Switch and PS4, especially compared to the shitload that came out on the PSP and original DS.

If anything there has been an uptick in western tactical RPGs in recent years. XCOM seemingly sparked something when it did better than expected. Banner Saga, Shadowrun, Battletech, Wargroove, Into the Breach, etc.

The worst part is the western PC audience for these turn-based tactical games has gone almost completely unnoticed by Japan. People have been begging Square for a PC port of FF Tactics. All that's really happened has been Valkyria Chronicles and a couple Disgaea ports.

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Exactly.
 
Cheezeman3000

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Youngfossil said:
Yet Octipath traveler sold gang busters. But they will ignore that of course.
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Well, you're right, they do still release smaller budget turn-based games. World of Final Fantasy was turn-based as well but I'm not sure how well it sold. But regardless, FFT to me seems like something deserving of a bigger budget, and they'd never do it. The only way I could see it happening would be with a small team, and I'd still love it.
 
RedSwirl

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Maybe most of the energy that used to go into Japanese tactical RPGs has gone to mobile, which ironically is a good platform for tactics games (I mean, they did successfully port FFT to mobile). But nope, gatcha games.

And the western tactical RPG resurgence has mostly happened on PC.
 

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Youngfossil said:
Yet Octipath traveler sold gang busters. But they will ignore that of course.
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Well that's not really the same genre, but they acknowledged it sold better than expected and we can look forward to more Bravely, Octopath, and more in the same vein. Also they invested in Tokyo RPG Factory who made two old-school inspired turn-based RPGs and have an action one coming next.

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That's one exception and also a long-running western IP handled only by specialists of the genre. Like Dissidia or other spinoffs, it's tougher to sell a fandom on a totally unfamiliar genre if that's not what had been keeping it alive all this time. Just like the XCOM shooter that bombed terribly.
 
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Youngfossil

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On 4chan yesterday there was a thread asking why tactical RPGs were dead, and it almost immediately became apparent that only Japanese tactical RPGs are on the decline. I can't think of many modern ones on like the Switch and PS4, especially compared to the shitload that came out on the PSP and original DS.

If anything there has been an uptick in western tactical RPGs in recent years. XCOM seemingly sparked something when it did better than expected. Banner Saga, Shadowrun, Battletech, Wargroove, Into the Breach, etc.

The worst part is the western PC audience for these turn-based tactical games has gone almost completely unnoticed by Japan. People have been begging Square for a PC port of FF Tactics. All that's really happened has been Valkyria Chronicles and a couple Disgaea ports.



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It seems the square sticks their heads in the sand when it comes to new trends and does what they want. Which isnt bad, if they wanted was actually good.
 

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Square Enix doesn't think that a new turn base strategy game in the Final Fantasy Tactics, Tactic Ogre or Front Mission series "would sell a ton" or at least enough to make a good profit out of it.

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If anything I expect those kind of series to resurface eventually on cellphones, appropriately retooled to squeeze profits out in the common way adopted for smartphone gaming.
 
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Sumio Mondo

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Same can be said for Front Mission (instead of Left Alive).

Yeah it's a shame. Only way they'd be able to make it viable nowadays is if it was turned into an Action RPG (which is something Square loves to make nowadays) or into a Valkyria Chronicles hybrid action/strategy RPG game rather than tactical turn based.

Dust said:
We are not worthy I guess.
Ramza shits on all FF protagonists from different galaxy.
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Amen. Ramza is one of the best protagonists in RPGs full stop, let alone in a FF game (only Balthier in the FF stable comes close for me, but even he's overrated nowadays).
 
DiipuSurotu

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RedSwirl said:
On 4chan yesterday there was a thread asking why tactical RPGs were dead, and it almost immediately became apparent that only Japanese tactical RPGs are on the decline. I can't think of many modern ones on like the Switch and PS4, especially compared to the shitload that came out on the PSP and original DS.

If anything there has been an uptick in western tactical RPGs in recent years. XCOM seemingly sparked something when it did better than expected. Banner Saga, Shadowrun, Battletech, Wargroove, Into the Breach, etc.

The worst part is the western PC audience for these turn-based tactical games has gone almost completely unnoticed by Japan. People have been begging Square for a PC port of FF Tactics. All that's really happened has been Valkyria Chronicles and a couple Disgaea ports.
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That's another problem: Japanese video game developers generally target the Japanese audience only, with the Western audience is a distant secondary or tertiary audience at best. The Japanese audience doesn't give a shit about Xcom and the supposed good Western TRPGs that sell.
 
Dust

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Games like FFT, Vandal Hearts, Tactics Ogre, Vagrant Story aside being more on tactical/slower side of RPGs, have one more thing in common.
They are very dry and serious games, there is zero fanservice or anime tropes nonsense. Ramza, Denim or Ashley are confident and mature characters.While I loved that, maybe Japan simply rejected that route.
 

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Matsuno is back in Square's good graces (or perhaps the other way around). I wouldn't rule out another FFT at some point
 
DiipuSurotu

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Dust said:
Games like FFT, Vandal Hearts, Tactics Ogre, Vagrant Story aside being more on tactical/slower side of RPGs, have one more thing in common.
They are very dry and serious games, there is zero fanservice or anime tropes nonsense. Ramza, Denim or Ashley are confident and mature characters.While I loved that, maybe Japan simply rejected that route.
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Ehhh, I disagree. Ashley literally wears a thong and his pants show his buttcheeks, and his hair "antennas" are just as ridiculous as any typical shonen protagonist.
 
Famassu

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Someone within Square Enix needs to want to make one. Either an executive/producer type who champions for it & actively tries to find the people/team to make it or a creative type who goes to those and pitches an idea for a new FFT that sounds good enough for it to be greenlit (possibly after some iteration & coming up with more detailed plans). If no one there wants to make it or no one makes (good enough) pitches, then there's not going to be one. FFT just isn't some mainline FF type game that is a core pillar for the company that they will continue creating new sequels for for the foreseeable future.
 
Sub Boss

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Maybe they no longer have the experience or interest in making a high budget strategy console game, last time they tried was on DS, a low risk project and they seem to not care to continue

SE are not known for theír strategy games compared to other genres
 
Oregano

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If y'all won't except X-Com as a rebuttal of "TRPGs don't sell well" how about the last Fire Emblem games selling 2.85 million copies and its Musou spin off being a million seller?
 
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