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Why is fascism spreading across the world in the 2010s?

Oct 25, 2017
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Nihilism in the face of growing extreme inequality, aided by the largest propaganda machines the world has ever seen.

Blame the late stage capitalism that made it all possible.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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The spread of these ideals directly correlates with the rise and growth of Facebook and Twitter.
Literally this as far as I'm concerned. Watch a gaming video on YouTube and you suddenly get linked to a lot of gamer gater style outrage Vida and that kind of shit... I worry for the future with the amount small kids and teenagers are glued to social media, YouTube and the like.

Facebook, Twitter and the rest seem to be doing either nothing, or actually making it worse and people are all living in their bubble so right wingers get more bold and left wingers don't realise how bad it's getting. And sure people are racist and normally decency and conformity had kept those people in check. Now with reinforcement thanks to online and the mainstream media doing an awful job at legitimising the far right (see how often Farage got coverage on the BBC in the UK, or climate science deniers, for instance) stupid people are feeling brave to be fuckers openly these days.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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It will be almost 100 years since fascism first arose all over the world. The people that had first had experience it back then are likely dead, dying or have no more agency to tell thier stories. Whole populations are literally forgetting the horrors of fascism. Up next in the next few decades, communism! The next fifty years are gonna be fun!
This is really what it feels like to me.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Inequality between the haves and have-nots is growing. That creates large-scale discontent that leads to people voting for people who offer opposition to the "establishment" (even though most still play into their pockets, knowingly or not) and it's always the people in the weakest positions who are blamed & who suffer first.

Also, most people are pretty dumb/resentful/selfish

Also #2, change can be scary, so a lot of people have a predisposition to want to return to the "good old days", no matter how much those days actually suuuuuucked for a lot of people.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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The antithesis of fascism is compassion/vulnerability. Extreme views spread due to a lack of those qualities in the general public as well as a lack of understanding and critical thinking skills that would help you know when/how to spot problematic behavior and deal with it instead of being complacent.
 
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Just looking for someone to connect the dots on how they can say a referendum for Brexit was based on Fascism.

They asked the people what they wanted, the people spoke. How is that fascism?
Perhaps the people got manipulated, perhaps the people are stupid. but i can not understand how it would be called fascism.


If the PM declared with no vote that the UK was leaving the EU, that i could understand as fascism. but that is not what actually happened.


If the USA is now fascist due to trump, how did he just get his butt kicked in the mid term elections?

I am trying to resist the constant watering down of serious words. They are losing their meaning,
 
Oct 31, 2017
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The internet is giving these people a platform, a place to gather, and a place to spread disinformation. It's giving them pseudocredibility in the eyes of their followers.
Indeed. Echo chambers are horrible especially when they take the form of news networks.

Even when people do argue (about everything including politics) they usually end with “agree to disagree” or “but I respect your opinion and so you should mine” or “you’re arguing with a stranger online trying to Change their opinion lol”

There’s no open mindedness or willingness to change
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The spread of these ideals directly correlates with the rise and growth of Facebook and Twitter.
I'd say more with the rise of online presense. Small outlets of racism and bigotry was always on the internet, but the reach was far less. As more and more people came online the ability to spread information also grew. It's a very hand in hand thing because the ability to be so connected really let it go. The real issue was far too many people, not just outlets, dismissing it as if it was the Internet of 1996 where it was just small circles you just needed to ignore. We saw it with GG and we saw it again with pre-Trump presidency alt-right.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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it's capitalism in decay and it's easier to look to strong leaders to scapegoat someone else than to address the actual systemic issues.
 

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Unreglated propaganda spreading through all media channels in completely unfiltered ways, taking advantage of the new technology of the times and people's lack of having come to terms with the new reality said technology presents.
 

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I don't see anything fascist about Trump or Bolsonaro. Fascism was an ideology which advocated that everything should go to the state. Libertarian governments like these propose the opposite. They want to diminish the size of the state and give more economical freedom to people.

Besides, it's pretty pathetic to label someone you don't like with a name that doesn't even means what you're trying to say.

The way I see it, the world nowadays is taking a turn for so much leftism that is unbearable. It's everywhere, from politics to cinema, videogames, music, etc. It's refreshing to have a more conservative government sometimes.
 
Oct 22, 2018
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Fascism as an ideology never truly died and I feel like a lot of people got very complacent about this fact until it started to become more appealing in recent times to disadvantaged ones.


Important to consider:

Germany's anti-Jewish laws were directly inspired by America's Black codes -- as were many of the Nazi movement's imagery derived from American nationalist symbols and practices (the pledge of allegiance hand-on-heart used to end with a salute very similar to the one we call the Nazi salute). These were, in effect, laws that tried to enforce slavery under other names (i.e., debt peonage). You could consider the Jim Crow legislation to be a compromise between the American South's interest in continuing to restrict the rights of Black people for economic benefit and those who were attempting to repeal slavery. It is likely of no surprise, even to someone ignorant of American history, that this compromise gave more power to those who wish to subjugate Black folks and keep them in slavery than it did those with any stake in abolition.

The Civil Rights Act wasn't enacted in the US until the 1960s. Even then, while it was built around the agitation of Black Americans specifically, and did improve outcomes for them, one of the more notable effects of the law was broadening the meaning of being white to include groups like Polish, Irish, and Italian immigrants; racism against Black people certainly didn't end, and still continues with little to no repercussion to those who commit offenses in service of the viewpoint to this day.

In response to this, the Republican party immediately shifted strategies to course voters upset by the passing of the CRA; keep this in mind any time you hear about the shit that Irish folks went through in America as uniquely abhorrent and a justification for anti-Black racism -- who benefitted more materially? The ones who were white, obviously. The corollary is of course that the racist attitudes dating back to the era in which Black people were subjugated in order to exploit their labor still existed even then -- and, given the discussion with respect to countering racist attitudes in other posters' families, we have plenty of material evidence to point to the fact that the same people who were thinking that about 50 years ago still think so today.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I don't see anything fascist about Trump or Bolsonaro. Fascism was an ideology which advocated that everything should go to the state. Libertarian governments like these propose the opposite. They want to diminish the size of the state and give more economical freedom to people.

Besides, it's pretty pathetic to label someone you don't like with a name that doesn't even means what you're trying to say.

The way I see it, the world nowadays is taking a turn for so much leftism that is unbearable. It's everywhere, from politics to cinema, videogames, music, etc. It's refreshing to have a more conservative government sometimes.
It's refreshing to see human rights of many demographics being taken away? It's refreshing to see certain demographics killed for what they are? It's refreshing to see people being attacked just because of their skin colour? It's refreshing to see people being labeled terrorists just because of their religion?

Troll ahoy.
 
Nov 8, 2017
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That was a totally disgusting poster. The idea that the 17.4m people that subsequently voted for Brexit support fascism is absolutely mental, though.
When fascists get voted in do they run on taking away rights or do they make lofty promises of Independence and a strong nation standing up for itself against foreigners exploiting it?

Because that's the promise of Trump and Brexit. A lot of the similar promises were made by fascist leaders in the past.
 
Dec 14, 2017
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I honestly believe that it is only because the right wing movements, parties, etc are much better at engagement in social media. That obviously includes fake news of all sorts, but they are just that good at pointing the finger at a random enemy and make the people believe in that. It's not a matter of "lying" or "being populist" because the left also could point the finger at something in a reductionist way (say, the banks), but they are just not that good in the online era.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I don't see anything fascist about Trump or Bolsonaro. Fascism was an ideology which advocated that everything should go to the state. Libertarian governments like these propose the opposite. They want to diminish the size of the state and give more economical freedom to people.

Besides, it's pretty pathetic to label someone you don't like with a name that doesn't even means what you're trying to say.

The way I see it, the world nowadays is taking a turn for so much leftism that is unbearable. It's everywhere, from politics to cinema, videogames, music, etc. It's refreshing to have a more conservative government sometimes.
The horror, the absolute horror, of "leftism in video games".
 
Mar 18, 2018
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The right capitalised on sentiments of anti-globalism and anti-establishment. The left didn't.

That allowed them to spread their support from not just racists but to those indifferent towards racism as well.

That's why Corbyn is important in the UK. Because even though hes shit, hes the only left wing politician that has that proverbial "trust" and "fight the elite" platform that the indifferent and uneducated (ie: stupid as fuck) baby boomer public admires above all else.
 

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It's refreshing to see human rights of many demographics being taken away? It's refreshing to see certain demographics killed for what they are? It's refreshing to see people being attacked just because of their skin colour? It's refreshing to see people being labeled terrorists just because of their religion?

Troll ahoy.
Not at all, you are the one putting words in my mouth.

But you do know that, for example, white people are being killed and losing their properties in South Africa, don't you? And that hundreds of thousands of christians die every year just because they believe in their religion?

I didn't see any democrats trying to fight against that. Besides, you don't have to label someone as a terrorist because of a religion, but you should investigate someone who tries to enter your country, regardless of wherever they come.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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That was a totally disgusting poster. The idea that the 17.4m people that subsequently voted for Brexit support fascism is absolutely mental, though.
Racists don't like being called racists either. If you vote for politicians who/politic stances that push very fascist agendas, you're not exactly opposing fascism either. You're complicit with that shit. Either you voted because of the fascist promises, or you didn't care about the fascist overtones of the Brexit supporting side, which doesn't really make you a whole lot better. Especially when so many of their non-fascist policies could be and were debunked fairly easily.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Not at all, you are the one putting words in my mouth.

But you do know that, for example, white people are being killed and losing their properties in South Africa, don't you? And that hundreds of thousands of christians die every year just because they believe in their religion?

I didn't see any democrats trying to fight against that. Besides, you don't have to label someone as a terrorist because of a religion, but you should investigate someone who tries to enter your country, regardless of wherever they come.
Oh lol. Bye!
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I don't see anything fascist about Trump or Bolsonaro. Fascism was an ideology which advocated that everything should go to the state. Libertarian governments like these propose the opposite. They want to diminish the size of the state and give more economical freedom to people.

Besides, it's pretty pathetic to label someone you don't like with a name that doesn't even means what you're trying to say.

The way I see it, the world nowadays is taking a turn for so much leftism that is unbearable. It's everywhere, from politics to cinema, videogames, music, etc. It's refreshing to have a more conservative government sometimes.
fascism is authoritarian nationalism. the core of it isn't an economic model. it's the nationalism, desire to make opposition illegal, anti-intellectualism, fetishization of force, and a general opposition to liberalism in the general "liberal democracy" sense. The might-makes-right angle of fascism is perfectly compatible with the fetishization of power- fascist governments are totally fine busting up unions and regulations and letting power concentrate in a wealthy business class.

in fact, from what you just said, you seem to have confused fascism and communism.

we've got trump regularly talking about how journalists are the enemy of the people and non-whites are dangerous criminals.

we had pro-bolsarono forces raid university classrooms to seize history textbooks on the history of fascism, alleging that they were unlawful anti-bolsarono election propaganda.

if you believe the current resurgent right-wing governments to be libertarian, you either you have no clue what the word libertarian means or are ignoring the news and then wondering why people are acting like bad things are happening.

edit: hoooo boy why did i try your posts since this one have gone off the whataboutism deep end.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Pankaj Mishra makes a pretty solid case made in "Age of Anger" that the rise of Fascism and Authoritarianism seen these days is due to globalization and, more importantly, income inequality that has led to massive ressentiment. The same kind of feelings of abandonment and listlessness that swept through the world in the late 19th and early 20th centuries that Rousseau tried to articulate. He draws a direct line tying together Trump and Brexit and Isis and Narendra Modi, and he does so in an extremely compelling way.

I hesitate to go so far as to say that all of these things stem from the same root of contemporary nihilism, but there is a lot to be said for the connections made and I do think that in order to understand our present and the seemingly chaotic anger and xenophobia and racism we need to dig back into the past and especially the authors and philosophers of the 18th and 19th century. I also agree with his conclusion, that something terrible is inevitably going to happen if the course we've laid is continually followed.

If you have the time and the patience, read Age of Anger and then follow up on some of the bibliography.

Also, read "The Proud Tower" by Barbara Tuchman. It's a autobiography of the late 19th and early 20th century that has haunting echoes in today's world.
This is an excellent post. It is essentially the root cause.

Neoliberalism is a bad system in that it takes too much power away from the masses via global laissez-faire economics, allowing oligarch-like capitalists to essentially pull the world's strings, circumventing national political systems in the process.

Instead of opting for a system that progresses us forward, people who are fearful are likely to fall back on old ways, where they can assert their will in the most dominant way possible: violence and intimidation.

These people are thinking in terms of spite and revenge for feeling as if they've been left behind. They ignorantly believe the deflections of the people who are the perpetrators against them in the first place.
Two excellent posts.
 
Nov 19, 2018
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Why are people immediately throwing the word racism when it comes to nationalism? Racism is not the cause of nationalism, but it's the tool used by nationalist demagogues to get their agenda through. Nationalism almost never begins with racism, but always ends up with using racism as its biggest weapon.

Now, as history has again and again repeated, nationalist sentiments most often emerge (as a majority) through economic and social turmoil, see: Germany after Versailles, Europe after millions of refugees settled without proper planning of accommodation and integration by the European Union. Greece, Brazil, etc after economic recessions.
 
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Not at all, you are the one putting words in my mouth.

But you do know that, for example, white people are being killed and losing their properties in South Africa, don't you? And that hundreds of thousands of christians die every year just because they believe in their religion?

I didn't see any democrats trying to fight against that. Besides, you don't have to label someone as a terrorist because of a religion, but you should investigate someone who tries to enter your country, regardless of wherever they come.
Because that's what Trump supports. They want to shoot asylum seekers, they want to take away human rights from transgender people, they are wrecking the education & healthcare systems for personal profit, Bolsonaro supporters were beating up people opposing Bolsonaro, TRUMP ADMIN PUT FUCKING CHILDREN IN CONSENTRATION CAMPS. You have to be dumb beyond all belief if you ignore all that stuff and think Trump & Bolsonaro have some kind of reasonable political stance to anything. They are fascist. That's not an exaggeration.

White people losing property in South Africa has nothing to do with the rise of white supremacy & fascism in North America & Europe. That's dumb whataboutism of the worst kind.

Leftist people in the west want better education, free or much lower cost healthcare, equal human rights etc. for everyone. What kind of monster do you have to be that you see that as a bad thing and conservative, oppressive & destructive politics of Trump & Bolsonaro as a positive change?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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A couple of reasons

America voted a black president. Racist America lost their damn mind and started voting racist people into office.

Powerful racists now in office blantantly being racist.

Terrorism and the US’s continued and escalated involvement in the Middle East.

War torn middle eastern refugees moving into other countries causing racists and nationalist to lose their damn mind.

Social media giving these assholes a platform

Etc
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Internet + dumb racist people is a big factor.

Decline in home values is linked to right wing swings in the US.

Who on the center left is pushing austerity? That's very much a right wing thing.
Certain in the center left did or do still embrace austerity or at least pay lip service to it. Cuomo in New York basically got in on the DLC playbook (although had to shift hard this election), Hollande in France embraced it, Tsipris in Greece was forced into it as his base rejected every other alternative.

It's not the driving force of the left but it still exists high up the chain in center left parties for various reasons.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Racists don't like being called racists either. If you vote for politicians who/politic stances that push very fascist agendas, you're not exactly opposing fascism either. You're complicit with that shit. Either you voted because of the fascist promises, or you didn't care about the fascist overtones of the Brexit supporting side, which doesn't really make you a whole lot better. Especially when so many of their non-fascist policies could be and were debunked fairly easily.
I feel like what you're talking about is very reasonable when voting for parties - I only care about abortion, even if it also means drone strikes etc - but not reasonable when talking about a single issue referendum.

You're voting for what you want. The motivations of other voters isn't really relevant imo.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Racism and unhappy people who are too easily influenced by their almost all encompassing need to find someone to blame for all of their problems to make their problems easier to cope with.
 
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Right Wing media did a better job at conditioning and manipulating the common everyday folk. Take Britain for example, shit like The Sun, Daily Mail, etc are still the default reading material in like every place you go. Look at America with Fox News, etc, the right just has a better grasp of using the media to their advantage, focusing on people's fears, underlining racism, etc, they use dirty tactics because they know the left would never stoop to that level.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Rising. economic. inequality. You see this red curve?



It should be going down, not up. The more it goes up, the worse the world gets for normal people.

Rich people want to get richer. Only way to do that is to (indirectly) rob the middle class and the poor. Lobbying for lower taxes on millionaires and corporations. Tax havens. forced arbitration. Union busting. Money has to come from somewhere. That somewhere is middle class wages and social safety net.

To accomplish this, rich people have to bribe politicians and use ye olde divide and conquer method. Blame the jews, mexicans, black folk, women, abortionists, whatever. Just invent boogeymen and fan the fires of hatred. If the poor are fighting each other, they're not uniting against the rich.

As a bonus, doing this helps fascist demagogues come to power (Trump, Orban, Bolsonaro, Erdogan, etc. France's Front National has made ridiculous political gains even if they lost the presidential election. Thank god for runoffs). It is of course preferable if the poor can't vote at all, or if their votes are meaningless. To do that, fascism is fabulous for rich people. They don't need democracy or justice. They have private jets and connections. It's better if they can be above the law. It's better if everybody else is desperate so they can be exploited as modern slaves.

Solution? Start taxing people on their net worth, not their income. Eliminate tax havens. Prohibit any sort of sweetheart tax breaks and other such nonsense (Hi Amazon! Go fuck yourself) and generally make rich people NOT buy that 3rd megayacht. 2 Megayachts are enough for anybody...

So...it's math and logic vs bigotry and flagsturbation. Who do you think is going to win? :(
 
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Having wealth doesn't mean you have the ability to pay taxes though.
That's fine. I'll make an exception for farmers sitting on $10M worth of land. Are there any other exceptions you'd like me to make? I'll be happy to.

And then we tax the remaining 99.99% of them, deal?
 
Oct 26, 2017
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That's fine. I'll make an exception for farmers sitting on $10M worth of land. Are there any other exceptions you'd like me to make? I'll be happy to.

And then we tax the remaining 99.99% of them, deal?
Why not tax it when it becomes liquid?
 
Oct 27, 2017
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It's a bunch of things
Fear of immigrants
Availability of fake news
Laziness of political leadership

The appeal of facism is strength and unity. The people voting for leaders with facist tendencies are afraid of immigrants changing the dominant culture and religion. The people voting for fascists also see liberal leaders as easily corruptible and capitulating. They dont see their leadership as the kind that will stand up or push back against others. This is what seduces people to that side.

The remedy is strong leadership based in appeal to personal individual interest. Immigrants are good because of X. We will make it so that you get Y so that you will have more money. These kind of appeals will get those who would otherwise want fascists in
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Globalization and late-stage capitalism. As nations further integrate and economic growth relative to income stalls, there will be backlash that will be reigned in by conservative politicians to gain power; nationalist sentiments will be broadcasted to form a large, homogeneous voting base of those who feel left behind by rapidly evolving economies. Social progress also naturally alienates those who are close-minded enough to follow these messages, which makes it easy to use a variety of effective demagogic tactics to further this effort.

In struggling economies like Brazil, stability is sought after through more extreme means, which is how they elected a literal fascist into the government; when people lose faith in a large, complex system, they'll buck inward and push blame outward in an attempt to return to a time that is often associated with economic prosperity, social conservatism, and other comforting, nostalgic features of an idealized society that no longer exists.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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This is entirely true, and when you're deciding who to vote for you have to weigh up what you want Vs what else is going to be done in your name due to that party. This isn't really comparable to a binary referendum. If you have come to the conclusion that the UK should leave the EU, should you vote against your own beliefs just because of who else would be voting with you? You're not taking the rough with the smooth here; getting the outcome you voted for and nothing else.
The Brexit referendum was a bit of a special case though - given the campaigning got so racist and generally awful, I think it's fair to say that in this case people should have been looking at what they would actually get if their side won. This is why it was so frustrating to debate with Lexiteers at the time - the version of Leave that they want isn't what we are getting, and never was going to be after the way the campaigning centred around FoM so much

I actually agree with your point in the general case, and also that Brexit =/= Facist (although the Fascist groups in the UK have definitely been empowered by it), but in this specific referendum people should totally have considered whether the likely version of Leave bore any relation to the version they want and voted on that basis
 
Oct 25, 2017
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It will be almost 100 years since fascism first arose all over the world. The people that had first had experience it back then are likely dead, dying or have no more agency to tell thier stories. Whole populations are literally forgetting the horrors of fascism. Up next in the next few decades, communism! The next fifty years are gonna be fun!
As others have said, we’re far enough away from the 1930s and 40s that people have started to forget. People who never experienced anything else are taking democracy for granted.
The generations that saw the world fight over nationalism are dying down. The survivors of those genocides are as well.
Now we have generations of people that are trained to not believe what they read, reading about the holocaust.\
Here's an example: https://www.thejc.com/news/world/in...eard-of-the-holocaust-survey-reveals-1.473131
In France, a fifth of young people ‘have never heard of the Holocaust’, survey reveals
A third of Europeans say they know either ‘just a little’ or nothing at all about the events of 75 years ago
Agreed, it's the exact same way wars start and end- everyone forgets the horror and gets testy again, then fucks up royally, then makes a bunch of rules to follow to make sure it never happens again, complacency sets in, problems emerge, the cycle repeats ad infinitum up until this point.

War is in our blood, as is the urge to use and abuse fellow people.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I personally believe it's a conspiracy for the 1% to get the masses off their backs. "It's not our fault you don't have a job or don't make a lot of money. It's foreigners or globalists' fault!"
I remember a lot of protests against the 1% years ago, but since DT got elected, not so much a peep. It's all about racism now.