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Why is it still acceptable to refer to woman as b****** in hip hop music?

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Monorojo

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Not sure of the proper etiquette so I apologize if it is weird i censor it in the topic title but not the topic itself.

Just a general inquiry. A few other hop hop topics got me thinking about other aspects of hip hop and I notice a lot of hip hop and rap refer to woman and females as a bitch. Over and over and over again, without apology. I even sometimes here "she is a bad bitch" as if it supposed to be a term of endearment. I man really....how can this still be acceptable? People get up in arms about almost everything nowadays but the use of the word bitch to describe woman is still prominent in rap and hip hop today, and appears to be widely accepted?

As an example...One of my favorite songs is Count me in by lil yachty, where he refers to woman as bitches three times in the first minute of the song. I love the beat but the lyrics my god...they are embarrassing.

Why is this still acceptable and part of hip hop culture? I just don't understand.
 
Kthulhu

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Probably cuz it's still prominent in culture in general. Even among people who couldn't care less about hip hop.
 

see5harp

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"A lot but not all" is going to be the shit repeated over and over again like that matters when a large majority of popular and mainstream artists use this sorta language regularly. I personally have no problem with the language since it is normalized within much of commercial rap genre along with the idea that women are objects to possess, but mostly it bugs me when people try and dismiss it as some sort of defense mechanism. Outside of the genre if you said you were going to still someone's bitch, a lot of people would have issues with it. Inside of rap that's a fairly normal statement to make.

EDIT: I swear I've heard faggot on even the first Schoolboy Q album. That wasn't even that long ago.
 
CallMeShaft

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A "bitch" is someone who's acting like a bitch. Like an "asshole" is someone who acts like an asshole. It's not like your calling someone a name because of their race, religion, or sexuality. You're calling them by a name that refers to them being terrible individuals. It's completely different.
 
Gotdatmoney

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Normalized language outside of rap so the audience is already desensitized to it. Doesn't make it okay but I aint sweating it to be honest.
 
nsilvias

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it's because the word is fluid and can mean different things under different contexts.
Its why some women refer to their girlfriends as their bitches.
 
Mr. X

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I'll take a quote from Donald Glover

"O.K., take 'The Race,' by Tay-K. Play that fuck right now, if you got it." As Cornelius searched Spotify, Glover explained, "Tay-K was sixteen and on the run for murder when he made this song. It's a real Jesse James story." He pulled up Tay-K's photo on his phone as "The Race" began to boom. Glover said, "Look at this kid! He's a baby! He never had a chance! Y'all are forgetting what rap is. Rap is 'I don't care what you think in society, wagging your finger at me for calling women "bitches"—when, for you to have two cars, I have to live in the projects.' "
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Neece

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Because Tupac called Delores Tucker a motherfucker on the billboard #1 song in the country that included a porn music video and got away with it. Fight was over after that.
 

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SugarNoodles said:
Why is there always someone bringing this "idea" to the table?

There's got to be a term for this kind of logic that I'm not aware of yet.
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cw_sasuke

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SugarNoodles said:
Why is there always someone bringing this "idea" to the table?

There's got to be a term for this kind of logic that I'm not aware of yet.
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The term bitch isn't going away anytime soon because the people who listen to that music aren't offended by it.

There are other artists who don't use it in their raps.
 
AnansiThePersona

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This is a bit strange, I guess. It's hard for me to think of a counterpoint because there really isn't one. Nowadays I try to avoid saying bitch to describe people being assholes because of how it can be taken offensively. Huh........nope can't think of an excuse. I'll keep an eye on this thread for any good arguments that happen.
 
Burrman

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The one thing that sort of bugs me in hip-hop is how a lot of rappers always brag about getting white women or a light skinned women like they are better then black women. I feel like they are putting down their own color. I personally find darker women more attractive but I wouldn't brag about it.
 
subpar spatula

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Hip hop is mostly men. Like, an environment of mostly men leads to some weird results like how in Humble, Kendrick raps about wanting less photoshop but the message is muddled because he's viewing it from his male gaze in that the image of a non-photoshopped woman is there to please him and not, ya know, help women with body shaming.
 
cw_sasuke

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If you are catching feeling because someone is referred to as the baddest bitch it's probably not for you, which is fine.

The top female artists in the genre like Nicki or Cardi use the term non-stop when referring to themselves or their females entourage colleagues. So as long as women in that culture fuck with it... Don't expect majors changes anytime soon.
 
Lady Bow

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Isn't calling someone a bitch the equivalent of saying "stop being a girl/pussy" ? Never liked the word.
 

see5harp

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I sometimes wonder if people here actually listen to rap music or whether they just selectively filter out the shit that doesn't agree with their own value systems.
 
Phoenix RISING

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Not just hip hop but in general.

It's a term rooted in sexism. Call a woman a dog, a pet, and animal that "deserves" to be mistreated. Used against a man, it's a term of emasculation. Basically, "why you acting like a woman/stop acting like a woman."

Ignorance continues to reign.
 
Yasuke

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CallMeShaft said:
A "bitch" is someone who's acting like a bitch. Like an "asshole" is someone who acts like an asshole. It's not like your calling someone a name because of their race, religion, or sexuality. You're calling them by a name that refers to them being terrible individuals. It's completely different.
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....nigga, what?
 
RedMercury

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I don't like it personally, I was unfortunately guilty of doing it when I was making hiphop many years ago and if I were still doing it today I wouldn't use it but it isn't just a problem in hiphop music, in fact I'd say things have improved on that front in the past few years though I could be wrong because I'm old and don't keep up enough with the new shit. Sexism and demeaning women is prevalent everywhere.
 
DevilMayGuy

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You sexy bitches know
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I'm trying to correct this

I was actually pretty uncomfortable with how often enemies called you bitch when playing Arkham City as Catwoman.

It's because it's so commonplace in our language outside of music as well. If it wasn't so commonplace to use in everyday life, you'd see similar resistance in songs.
 
Kthulhu

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Burrman said:
The one thing that sort of bugs me in hip-hop is how a lot of rappers always brag about getting white women or a light skinned women like they are better then black women. I feel like they are putting down their own color. I personally find darker women more attractive but I wouldn't brag about it.
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Statistics from dating sites show that black women are less likely to get matches than women of other races.

So I imagine it's that.
 
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