Why women criticise sexualised character designs |OT2| I have no pants and I must scream (READ OP)

Mesoian

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Oct 28, 2017
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I'm sure some of you remember people complaining that Crash Team Racing dropped the trophy girls from the remake. Turns out they're still in, except now they're known as Nitro Squad and are unlockable racers instead of characters just standing around during a victory celebration







Fuck me.

Give me a game starring them!

That doesn't play like Crash.
 

Pandora012

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Oct 25, 2017
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Oh god, someone in the Tifa thread pulled the big breast women representation card when i asked them why she needed to be bigger. Am i going crazy, cause Tifa looks to have large breasts in the remake.
 

Xaszatm

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Oh god, someone in the Tifa thread pulled the big breast women representation card when i asked them why she needed to be bigger. Am i going crazy, cause Tifa looks to have large breasts in the remake.
What? Tifa obviously has only A-cups! /s

Perverts are just grasping at straws to justify their horniness. It's honestly pathetic.
 

Mondo

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I think it's my first time posting here but both how Kinsei was treated for sharing their concerns and the satire thread that popped up are absolutely embarrassing. E3 time is usually were discussion takes a nosedive but that has been particularly disheartening to read and I feel disappointed that the general gaming community here isn't capable of having a respectful discussion about these things.

Oh god, someone in the Tifa thread pulled the big breast women representation card when i asked them why she needed to be bigger. Am i going crazy, cause Tifa looks to have large breasts in the remake.
I just hate how fucked up body standards have become. It's insane that people legit say that she doesn't have large breasts with a straight face.

Makes me wish people spent more time looking at real people instead of idealized depictions of them.

PS: On that note, I also wanna say I hate to even call them "idealized" because said ideal in itself is complete bullshit.
 

ShyMel

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Tons of posters on this site love to show their lack of knowledge when it comes to things such as women’s proportions.
 

Aly

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I think Tifa's design's since Advent Children on have been pretty reasonable. Advent Children is still my favorite for her, but I like this updated look.

Twitter is currently going crazy over Barret



Looks like Square accidentally hit onto a Hot Ryu design for him.
I just saw this. Hope they keep the date options cause I know who I'm taking now.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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This one really calls attention to just how skinny she is. I really am bothered by their fear of have any weight at all on women, be it muscle or not.
While I'm happy with her current model because I was dreading it being an disaster, the one on the right looks loads better.

Oh god, someone in the Tifa thread pulled the big breast women representation card when i asked them why she needed to be bigger. Am i going crazy, cause Tifa looks to have large breasts in the remake.
Goddamn do I hate people using sex positive feminism as a cover for wanting more sexualized designs.
 

Ashlette

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Oct 28, 2017
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It is funny that this place is perceived as a "woke SJW paradise" when the majority are not. At least your thread became a graveyard for those shitty nintendo gamers.
I disagree. Indeed, every concern thread I read had at least one of *those* people. But Kinsei's thread was filled with them. It was out of the norm.

EDIT: I was referring to concern threads regarding video games. Sorry for the ambiguity.
 
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Miang

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Oh god, someone in the Tifa thread pulled the big breast women representation card when i asked them why she needed to be bigger. Am i going crazy, cause Tifa looks to have large breasts in the remake.
She definitely does, she's just wearing a good sports bra to stop them painfully bouncing everywhere when she's jumping around. Of course many of these dudes actually have no idea about women's bodies lmao
 
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I disagree. Indeed, every concern thread I read had at least one of *those* people. But Kinsei's thread was filled with them. It was out of the norm.
As someone from the global south I see a lot of racism in etc era, so I do not find it out of the norm. Just go to any topic that has to do with Asia Pacific or the Middle East to see. But I do agree that Nintendo topics dealing with issues like this one usually turn really ugly.
 

Foot

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Yeah, that image and the attitude it represents were enough to turn me off of Astral Chain.
 

Joe2187

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The biggest issue I have with that art is....why does her lower body look so tiny? it's like it was copy pasted from a child...
 

kaebie

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Oct 27, 2017
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well... on the bright side... people are speculating that short haired Zelda in the new trailer could be indicative of her being a playable character (so her hair doesn't clip through different clothing options)

Dare I dream anymore? :(
 

Maxina

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Oct 28, 2017
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Fire Emblem has been a very controversial franchise since Awakening/Fates kicked up the Fan service to an 11, with Echoes Mildly taking a step back to more classic designs, but its good to see that Three Houses is focusing a lot more on characters for their personalities and traits rather than how much skin their showing. I can't wait to see some of the new designs post timeskip for all of currently revealed characters, despite the criticisms for the artwork, i've really loved Edlegards design the most.
 

Xaszatm

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Fire Emblem has been a very controversial franchise since Awakening/Fates kicked up the Fan service to an 11, with Echoes Mildly taking a step back to more classic designs, but its good to see that Three Houses is focusing a lot more on characters for their personalities and traits rather than how much skin their showing. I can't wait to see some of the new designs post timeskip for all of currently revealed characters, despite the criticisms for the artwork, i've really loved Edlegards design the most.
...huh, that's surprisingly great. I expected far worse.
 

y2kyle89

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It bananas how this always comes up when it has something to do with Nintendo. It doesn't help that like Ubisoft it doesn't openly reflect on their action.

Speaking of Nintendo, at least related. New character for the Pokemon game. Also Pokemon continuing to be diverse with their characters.
First thought: Water Gym Trainer in a swimming suit is a little cliche but she looks cool.
Second thought: Wait... are those water floaties on her lower calves?
 

deepFlaw

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I generally have some low expectations of how gaming side can get here, but I just want to pop in and say that even with that in mind it was really shocking to see the immediate outright vitriolic reaction to this thread earlier. I’m glad that it was dealt with, but... yeah.

Given that both topics have been discussed here in the past without quite as much of a severe pushback (though certainly some of it), I don’t know if it’s just people who were more active for E3 or what, but it was extremely disappointing at best. Even my low expectations are upsetting dismissals/handwaving, not hateful mocking. People need to be better.
 

HK-47

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You should remake the thread when e3 dies down though I understand if the reaction made to not want to bother.
 

TheSyldat

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I really hate this fucking site.
Welcome to the "yeah this is straight parade here too" effect. I'm sad to see what your thread turned into , but I must say I'm not all that surprised either ...

You should remake the thread when e3 dies down though I understand if the reaction made to not want to bother.
That won't change a damn thing this is DQ crowd combined with Nintendo crowd the result will be the same . DQ fans don't wanna hear about that and will do anything they can to poison the well and shut down the conversation by nuking it from orbit . It happens on every forum every social media evey place on the internet where you mention it .
 
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Jar0d

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I was prepared and I still got mad. The feeling of "don't touch my toys" is strong. It's even more disturbing that it's coming from Nintendo die-hard fans (mostly). You'd think they're kind of sensitive to progressive topic, but it seems even they fall into the trap of defending their favorite toys over way more important matters. It's no wonder why those same people often consider women as toys too.

Sometimes, the backlash for being progressive or just wanting to TALK - just TALK, damn - about some problems, is sooooo strong, that you start to wonder if you're not the one who's in the wrong. I mean, just read at this thread. It's not like the OP said something particularly controversial and yet, people went straight for his throat.

Yeah, just wanted to say that you're not alone OP, I'm with you. You're not in the wrong.

Welcome to the "yeah this is straight parade here too" effect. I'm sad to see what your thread turned into , but I must I'm not all that surprised either ...


That won't change a damn thing this is DQ crowd combined with Nintendo crowd the result will be the same . DQ fans don't wanna hear about that and will do anything they can to poison the well and shut down the conversation by nuking it from orbit . It happens on every forum every social media evey place on the internet where you mention it .
Yep. Hitler himself could have made the games, they'd still defend it.

Speak a lot about our society. If you're talented for something, you can get away with pretty much everything.

- You make good music ? You can get away with being a nazi apologist, like DQ composer.
- You make good games ? You can get away with your blatant and ridiculous homophobia, like Persona's director.
- You make good movies ? You can get away with being a child-molester, like Polanski.

The pattern is obvious. The laaaaarge majority of people value entertainment over progressive values.
 
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Famassu

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I was prepared and I still got mad. The feeling of "don't touch my toys" is strong. It's even more disturbing that it's coming from Nintendo die-hard fans (mostly). You'd think they're kind of sensitive to progressive topic, but it seems even they fall into the trap of defending their favorite toys over way more important matters. It's no wonder why those same people often consider women as toys too.

Sometimes, the backlash for being progressive or just wanting to TALK - just TALK, damn - about some problems, is sooooo strong, that you start to wonder if you're not the one who's in the wrong. I mean, just read at this thread. It's not like the OP said something particularly controversial and yet, people went straight for his throat.

Yeah, just wanted to say that you're not alone OP, I'm with you. You're not in the wrong.



Yep. Hitler himself could have made the games, they'd still defend it.

Speak a lot about our society. If you're talented for something, you can get away with pretty much everything.

- You make good music ? You can get away with being a nazi apologist, like DQ composer.
- You make good games ? You can get away with your blatant and ridiculous homophobia, like Persona's director.
- You make good movies ? You can get away with being a child-molester, like Polanski.

The pattern is obvious. The laaaaarge majority of people value entertainment over progressive values.
Separate art from the artist, doe. Herpyderp
 

Neidii

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Oct 30, 2017
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This one really calls attention to just how skinny she is. I really am bothered by their fear of have any weight at all on women, be it muscle or not.
I really like the one on the right, it's a very small change but it looks great. I'm pretty happy with her current design anyway, it could have been way worse
 

Ashlette

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Oct 28, 2017
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I was prepared and I still got mad. The feeling of "don't touch my toys" is strong. It's even more disturbing that it's coming from Nintendo die-hard fans (mostly). You'd think they're kind of sensitive to progressive topic, but it seems even they fall into the trap of defending their favorite toys over way more important matters. It's no wonder why those same people often consider women as toys too.

Sometimes, the backlash for being progressive or just wanting to TALK - just TALK, damn - about some problems, is sooooo strong, that you start to wonder if you're not the one who's in the wrong. I mean, just read at this thread. It's not like the OP said something particularly controversial and yet, people went straight for his throat.

Yeah, just wanted to say that you're not alone OP, I'm with you. You're not in the wrong.



Yep. Hitler himself could have made the games, they'd still defend it.

Speak a lot about our society. If you're talented for something, you can get away with pretty much everything.

- You make good music ? You can get away with being a nazi apologist, like DQ composer.
- You make good games ? You can get away with your blatant and ridiculous homophobia, like Persona's director.
- You make good movies ? You can get away with being a child-molester, like Polanski.

The pattern is obvious. The laaaaarge majority of people value entertainment over progressive values.
John Lasseter molested his female co-workers during his time at Pixar. Disney quietly fired him and sent him on a 1+ month vacation. Then Skydance animation hired him as their CEO.

Proper punishment just doesn't exist for the mega-successful. It's sickening.
 

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- You make good music ? You can get away with being a nazi apologist, like DQ composer.
- You make good games ? You can get away with your blatant and ridiculous homophobia, like Persona's director.
- You make good movies ? You can get away with being a child-molester, like Polanski.
I’m often frustrated when using radio stations on Spotify when they include any number of known domestic abusers and people known for sexual harassment.

I totally agree that no-one seems to care what people do so long as they’re enough of an ‘artist’, and often we love the story and fantasy of wretched behaviour.
 

RpgN

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I really hate this fucking site.
I’m going to be the outlier here (please bear with me). All the comments in this thread focus on the hostility and shitty responses that you received. Which is absolutely true and they are NOT okay.

However, I truly believe your thread is a prime example of living in a bubble. The conclusion of your thread is reaching, the title invites hostility and the arguments presented were vaguely related to one another (= so PS5 must be very homophobic because DQ is released on the system etc.).

Most who would agree with you are already involved and passionate about the topic. I’m seriously getting worried with some of the topics/threads being created on Era. They are giving us a certain image of being whiny and nitpicking all the time. We briefly discussed how this thread/forum alienates certain women from engaging any further. These kind of topics are also similar in nature.

What is the point of creating such threads? Aren’t they to raise awareness, understanding and acceptance? These topics are sensitive by nature and need to be handled with tact by default unless you only want an echo chamber to agree with your annoyances.

I don’t want us to be known as ‘that place’.
 

TheSyldat

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However, I truly believe your thread is a prime example of living in a bubble.
I mean welcome to the long term effects of living in a society that is so disgustingly and bigotedly heteronormative by design , that any and all non dyadic non cis non straight person is inevitably living a completely different life than yours ....

TL:DR you kind of shot yourself in the foot here ...
 

HK-47

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I’m going to be the outlier here (please bear with me). All the comments in this thread focus on the hostility and shitty responses that you received. Which is absolutely true and they are NOT okay.

However, I truly believe your thread is a prime example of living in a bubble. The conclusion of your thread is reaching, the title invites hostility and the arguments presented were vaguely related to one another (= so PS5 must be very homophobic because DQ is released on the system etc.).

Most who would agree with you are already involved and passionate about the topic. I’m seriously getting worried with some of the topics/threads being created on Era. They are giving us a certain image of being whiny and nitpicking all the time. We briefly discussed how this thread/forum alienates certain women from engaging any further. These kind of topics are also similar in nature.

What is the point of creating such threads? Aren’t they to raise awareness, understanding and acceptance? These topics are sensitive by nature and need to be handled with tact by default unless you only want an echo chamber to agree with your annoyances.

I don’t want us to be known as ‘that place’.
I get what you are saying, but just allowing that kind of discussion already makes us “that place.” Because talking about things like representation is intrinsically annoying and whiny to a certain subset of people.