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Why women criticise sexualised character designs |OT2| I have no pants and I must scream (READ OP)

Oct 27, 2017
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Nioh version is awesome too
Yeah I wish she actually had a bigger part in the game, absolutely love her design.

All the anime talk in this thread has me completely lost. Used to be a big anime fan back in the 90's with things like Guyver, Dominion tank police etc and while I still like the odd Ghibli film my interest in most modern anime has just vanished. I've never even heard of the Goblin show until this thread. I am very out of touch it seems....
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Come on people. The people that defend any type of sexual assault and sexy dressed minors are more often than not adults. Not just incels or otakus but adults that could be in relationships or have families. Adults that claim to be liberals. Adults that can function in society or are part of communities. And all of them unite to defend "creative freedom".
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Oman
Anyone here playing Magic the Gathering? There are various female warriors wearing really cool looking armor, and from the many cards I've seen so far, they aren't sexualized. For one here's a Conquistador Vampire card


Though I dunno if that's a proper armor, more like regal 16th century Spanish clothing, but you get the idea. Here's another card
 
Mar 21, 2018
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What is so special about this anime that gets anime fans so desperate to defend it?
Well, there is one thing that distinguishes it from these other anime.

Sexualized rape.

Totally can't be it, though.

Anyone here playing Magic the Gathering? There are various female warriors wearing really cool looking armor, and from the many cards I've seen so far, they aren't sexualized. For one here's a Conquistador Vampire card
MTG has a couple really neat designs and choices lately!
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Oman
Well, there is one thing that distinguishes it from these other anime.

Sexualized rape.

Totally can't be it, though.



MTG has a couple really neat designs and choices lately!
The ye olde, 2010, artwork for Captain of the Watch could go with an update, cuz them boob armor plates is silly
https://dfep0xlbws1ys.cloudfront.ne...8f.jpg?response-cache-control=max-age=2628000

This one looks cool though


EDIT: One more: Legion Guildmage

http://www.artofmtg.com/art/legion-guildmage/
 
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Well, there is one thing that distinguishes it from these other anime.

Sexualized rape.

Totally can't be it, though.
Well, i ended up hating it, but since it managed to hook me at first i guess i can rationalize it

Let's see... I dunno if there's any significant differences between the anime and the manga but, at the start, leaving rape aside, it has some "saving graces"

It's gorey and violent in a realistic way (Again, i'm leaving rape, and the violence it includes, aside) (I'm also leaving magic and whatnot aside too) Almost crude. That's rare to see today.

The protagonist, Goblin Slayer, feels interesting and misterious, he's also not an overpowered mofo, he wears weak and wear down equipment and struggles agaisn't anything bigger than a goblin.

Is not an isekai.

It all falls apart very quickly though, and becomes an edgy manga for edgyness sake where the shock value has lost its impact too fast and even becomes annoying, and the story advances too slowly.

*Goes back to hug Tate no Yuusha*
 
Oct 26, 2017
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i did a pantsing specifically for gaming side

yw

It's kind of sad that even putting pants on her still results in a ridiculously sexualized design with the skin-tight chest pockets and g-string strap showing.

Well, there is one thing that distinguishes it from these other anime.

Sexualized rape.

Totally can't be it, though.
Genuinely thought the conversation was about Berserk while scrolling up through messages. People rave about it but it's kind of hard to take seriously considering what its most famous scene is and how it's depicted.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I mean Berserk does have pretty strong storytelling in its Golden Age arc and at least the character design and behavior feel in line with the world whereas Goblin Slayer has basically stereotypical comedy isekai characters get brutally killed and raped. It legit does not make sense how those characters in the first episode behave when, as the episode makes sure to tell, Goblins have been kidnapping and raping for a long time. It's drastically more gratuitous to Berserk because of all that.

Now you'll only hear me praise the 1997 TV adaptation of Berserk which features that arc. That has even trimmed some of the superfluous "monster of the week"-ish fight and makes it just the better. The Eclipse event is certainly disturbing and I'm not sure what to think of Casca's rape by Griffith, but the Eclipse also is a gruesome climax that had a lot of built up, after all.

The content that follows afterward in the manga, however, just gets progressively worse. Well paced storytelling takes a backseat to the monster of the week format. Torture and rape get featured so prominently that I certainly regard a lot of it as torture/rape porn at that point. Comedic relief characters and small little wizard girls join the party, which makes the argument I used above, about the character design etc. fitting the world, much weaker and there's even some romance in that. Oh and Casca, who I mostly deemed a pretty damn good character up until the Eclipse stays heavily mentally impaired for eternity.

I don't think the Golden Age arc, or at least its 1997 anime adaptation, should ever be put anywhere next to the instant-garbage that is Goblin Slayer. Comparisons to what the manga deteriorate into, however, seem completely apt.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Magic has been really good, with a few missteps, for a while now. Even a character like Liliana, usually depicted in a low cut corset or some sort of bra, is more tolerable when she's one of many diverse designs for women in the game and you get great designs like Saheeli



and the new Jaya Ballard
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Magic has been really good, with a few missteps, for a while now. Even a character like Liliana, usually depicted in a low cut corset or some sort of bra, is more tolerable when she's one of many diverse designs for women in the game and you get great designs like Saheeli

and the new Jaya Ballard
And for Liliana it's at least sorta fits the character. I'm more annoyed by stuff like the boob plate of Chandra and Elspeth.
 

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Since there's a thread now where people propose that some games portray sexualized male characters to appeal to the women and gay audience, I think the point of this thread is not valid anymore. Either people will recognize the right to show both kinds of sexuality, or none. Otherwise, in my opinion, it's pure hypocrisy.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I mean Berserk does have pretty strong storytelling in its Golden Age arc and at least the character design and behavior feel in line with the world whereas Goblin Slayer has basically stereotypical comedy isekai characters get brutally killed and raped. It legit does not make sense how those characters in the first episode behave when, as the episode makes sure to tell, Goblins have been kidnapping and raping for a long time. It's drastically more gratuitous to Berserk because of all that.

Now you'll only hear me praise the 1997 TV adaptation of Berserk which features that arc. That has even trimmed some of the superfluous "monster of the week"-ish fight and makes it just the better. The Eclipse event is certainly disturbing and I'm not sure what to think of Casca's rape by Griffith, but the Eclipse also is a gruesome climax that had a lot of built up, after all.

The content that follows afterward in the manga, however, just gets progressively worse. Well paced storytelling takes a backseat to the monster of the week format. Torture and rape get featured so prominently that I certainly regard a lot of it as torture/rape porn at that point. Comedic relief characters and small little wizard girls join the party, which makes the argument I used above, about the character design etc. fitting the world, much weaker and there's even some romance in that. Oh and Casca, who I mostly deemed a pretty damn good character up until the Eclipse stays heavily mentally impaired for eternity.

I don't think the Golden Age arc, or at least its 1997 anime adaptation, should ever be put anywhere next to the instant-garbage that is Goblin Slayer. Comparisons to what the manga deteriorate into, however, seem completely apt.
Goblin Slayer has nothing to do with Isekai. The designs that you're talking about are common ones for fantasy series, which is what generally a isekai will employ for it's alternate world with influences of the fantasy elements like Dragon Quest and other medieval series.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Since there's a thread now where people propose that some games portray sexualized male characters to appeal to the women and gay audience, I think the point of this thread is not valid anymore. Either people will recognize the right to show both kinds of sexuality, or none. Otherwise, in my opinion, it's pure hypocrisy.
I'm sorry...what?
 
Oct 29, 2017
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Since there's a thread now where people propose that some games portray sexualized male characters to appeal to the women and gay audience, I think the point of this thread is not valid anymore. Either people will recognize the right to show both kinds of sexuality, or none. Otherwise, in my opinion, it's pure hypocrisy.
Naw man, this thread is good. Its just an idea I had.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Again, what? The point of a thread pointing out the myriad, actual examples of sexualized women is no longer valid because someone made a thread about theorethical sexualized men?

The fuck are you on?

Anyhow, I came here to point out the meltdowns about Sony's apparent new policy regarding content in Japanese games, which I consider a net win.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/so...-games-to-go-under-english-inspections.77364/
Strangest timeline, innit? In short there'll be more sexualized women on Nintendo's console than Sony's.
 
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Serge Chrono

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Again, what? The point of a thread pointing out the miriad examples of sexualized female is no longer valid because someone made a thread about theorethical sexualized males?

The fuck are you on?
Yeah, well, you could argue that it's not the same person that created both threads. I was merely saying that it's strange the different receptions to the idea of portraying sexualized women in games (which, in my opinion, is frankly ok) and sexualized men (which I don't mind too).
 
Dec 6, 2017
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Since there's a thread now where people propose that some games portray sexualized male characters to appeal to the women and gay audience, I think the point of this thread is not valid anymore. Either people will recognize the right to show both kinds of sexuality, or none. Otherwise, in my opinion, it's pure hypocrisy.
Oh dear.

Sir, you're going to want to gird up your loins.
 

Serge Chrono

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Oh dear.

Sir, you're going to want to gird up your loins.
Just to clarify things, I don't actually enjoy when the game hypersexualizes anyone, I think it generally gets very artificial. My point is simply that if anyone thinks male sexuality should be exploited by games, I don't see a problem when the opposite happens.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Yeah, well, you could argue that it's not the same person that created both threads. I was merely saying that it's strange the different receptions to the idea of portraying sexualized women in games (which, in my opinion, is frankly ok) and sexualized men (which I don't mind too).
You really think it's strange that a thing that happens 10.000 times, in games and in society, has a different reception than one that happens 10 times.
Really.
As in, you can't understand why anyone would react differently to the sexualization of the one gender that is routinely objectified, sexualized and dehumanized by society.

Are you the kind of person that points out that "white lives matter too"?
 

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Yeah, well, you could argue that it's not the same person that created both threads. I was merely saying that it's strange the different receptions to the idea of portraying sexualized women in games (which, in my opinion, is frankly ok) and sexualized men (which I don't mind too).
Women experience a "death by a thousand cuts" when it comes to sexualization. Just because men get sexualized a few times doesn't suddenly make it equal. The 999th cut is worse than the 5th.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Since there's a thread now where people propose that some games portray sexualized male characters to appeal to the women and gay audience, I think the point of this thread is not valid anymore. Either people will recognize the right to show both kinds of sexuality, or none. Otherwise, in my opinion, it's pure hypocrisy.
...I mean do you want a cake for "bravery"?

That isnt your decision to make
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Again, what? The point of a thread pointing out the myriad, actual examples of sexualized women is no longer valid because someone made a thread about theorethical sexualized men?

The fuck are you on?

Anyhow, I came here to point out the meltdowns about Sony's apparent new policy regarding content in Japanese games, which I consider a net win.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/so...-games-to-go-under-english-inspections.77364/
Strangest timeline, innit? In short there'll be more sexualized women on Nintendo's console than Sony's.
The "meltdown" have nothing to do with what you think of but the absurd policy of two regulations (one being in english) for companies to be able to launch a game in PS4 in Japan which is an added cost. That's terrible and at best will only make those companies go to other platforms if they don't want to follow it, not make those games disappear.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Since there's a thread now where people propose that some games portray sexualized male characters to appeal to the women and gay audience, I think the point of this thread is not valid anymore. Either people will recognize the right to show both kinds of sexuality, or none. Otherwise, in my opinion, it's pure hypocrisy.
One person makes a thread asking if there is a market for sexualized designs of male characters so a thread criticizing the thousands of female characters that are inappropriately dressed unlike their male counterparts is invalid

What
 
Oct 26, 2017
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The "meltdown" have nothing to do with what you think of but the absurd policy of two regulations (one being in english) for companies to be able to launch a game in PS4 in Japan which is an added cost. That's terrible and at best will only make those companies go to other platforms if they don't want to follow it, not make those games disappear.
Except that's not true and people are complaining about the "censorship" as well. From the OP:
これでもし新作ニーア作ったとしてもゲンシュタルトみたいにオッさんが主人公じゃないとPSには出せないな
"I guess this means the next Nier will have to have an old man protagonist like in Gestalt or they won't be able to release it on PS"
ペアレンタルコントロール機能つけて大人向けは無規制にしろよ
"Just put parental controls on and don't restrict games intended for adults."
おーい ゴキブリは硬派だから女キャラは全員ブサイクでもいいってさー性欲関係ないってw
"Hey! Roaches are tough. So,they are cool to have all of their female characters be so plain and ugly. Not like it has anything to do with any urges they have. lulz"
From the topic's first page alone:
y'all retarded wanting games you're not even gonna play to be censored so much.
Cruelty like in Mortal Kombat, or dehumanizing killing in general is still ok and not subject to censorship? The hypocrisy is ridiculous.
People are defending Sony because they don't want creepy anime games on their platform? You are not forced to buy these games.
Should I go on?

And for the record, the thread was closed precisely because there was no actual confirmation that Japanese games needed to pass English certification.
 

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You really think it's strange that a thing that happens 10.000 times, in games and in society, has a different reception than one that happens 10 times.
Really.
As in, you can't understand why anyone would react differently to the sexualization of the one gender that is routinely objectified, sexualized and dehumanized by society.

Are you the kind of person that points out that "white lives matter too"?
No, I'm not saying that men and women are suffering the same things in society. At least not in this subject.

But how can people think they are fighting for equality when all they want is to objectify men?

Two wrong things don't make a right one. Besides, there's some hipocrisy in this discussion because the majority of men that militate for non-sexualized women in games are the ones that would be attracted for a woman that goes out in tiny shorts, and they are the ones that like things like pornography, etc.

It's a human natural thing to feel sexually attracted by certain kinds of things in women, and even if people try to cover it up, it's not going to change that much.

I am going to repeat what I said in another thread: you shouldn't demonize nature. It's ok to point out some fan services here and there (they are bad depending on the way it is shown), but nothing will be solved by making women characters that dress in a composed way while making male characters that are objectified. You're just changing the target of the sexual objectification, nothing more.

And yeah, every human life matters, although I do recognize black people have suffered a lot throughout human history.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Except that's not true and people are complaining about the "censorship" as well. From the OP:






From the topic's first page alone:






Should I go on?

And for the record, the thread was closed precisely because there was no actual confirmation that Japanese games needed to pass English certification.
Those first are from a japanese PS blog tho.

And yes, there was comments like that, I admit, but many of the people on the thread were talking about the thing of English certification that it was mentioned instead of focusing in such aspects of "censorship".
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Well, I don't think it's a matter of making it equal. If objectification is wrong, then it is wrong no matter the target.
It's okay to have some eye-candy here and there, and that topic you mention is a discussion on whether it would work to have a AAA game with eye-candy for women and homossexual men. The problem that is being discussed here is that the rampant amount of sexualized female characters in the gaming industry is a reflection of how society objectify women in real life.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Those first are from a japanese PS blog tho.

And yes, there was comments like that, I admit,
Thank you. It's pretty fucked up that you accused me of misrepresenting what people were complaining about (which I wasn't), and then you actually misrepresented them. I think your agenda is showing.

but many of the people on the thread were talking about the thing of English certification that it was mentioned instead of focusing in such aspects of "censorship".
And those people are relevant in a thread about female sexualization because...? Let me remind you again that the thread was closed because English certification hasn't been confirmed at all.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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A: "Hey, if poking people is so wrong, then it's wrong for you to do it to me! You're so hypocritical!".
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Anyone here playing Magic the Gathering? There are various female warriors wearing really cool looking armor, and from the many cards I've seen so far, they aren't sexualized. For one here's a Conquistador Vampire card


Though I dunno if that's a proper armor, more like regal 16th century Spanish clothing, but you get the idea. Here's another card
One thing I love about MTG is their art. Extremely well-done and varied:

 

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Well, I don't think it's a matter of making it equal. If objectification is wrong, then it is wrong no matter the target.
I personally think sexual objectification is okay in small doses, but for women it's almost everywhere to the point our real lives are affected by it. Men aren't even to the "small doses".

A: *pokes B in the shoulder*
B: "What?"
A: *pokes B in the shoulder*
A: *pokes B in the shoulder*
B: "Stop it"
A: *pokes B in the shoulder*
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B: "STOP IT!"
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A: "Hey, if poking people is so wrong, then it's wrong for you to do it to me! You're so hypocritical!".
Add a million more pokes by A and it would be more accurate. :P
 
Yeah I wish she actually had a bigger part in the game, absolutely love her design.

All the anime talk in this thread has me completely lost. Used to be a big anime fan back in the 90's with things like Guyver, Dominion tank police etc and while I still like the odd Ghibli film my interest in most modern anime has just vanished. I've never even heard of the Goblin show until this thread. I am very out of touch it seems....
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Brazil
Thank you. It's pretty fucked up that you accused me of misrepresenting what people were complaining about (which I wasn't), and then you actually misrepresented them. I think your agenda is showing.
I admitted it because I forgot about those people being on there since I was more focused on this aspect, not because of an agenda or whatever that means. Anyway, most people were talking about this aspect with some here and there like in your quotes.

And those people are relevant in a thread about female sexualization because...? Let me remind you again that the thread was closed because English certification hasn't been confirmed at all.
Because those were the majority in the thread in comparison to the others? And yes, it was closed because of no proof but at the time, with the knowledgeable, people were talking over this information.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Madrid
I admitted it because I forgot about those people being on there since I was more focused on this aspect, not because of an agenda or whatever that means. Anyway, most people were talking about this aspect with some here and there like in your quotes.

Because those were the majority in the thread in comparison to the others? And yes, it was closed because of no proof but at the time, with the knowledgeable, people were talking over this information.
Yeah, no; "the majority of the people were talking about the English cert" is a straight, barefaced lie. Here's the first ten posts:
  1. If it means less of the creepy pedobait games I say good.

    Good riddance.

  2. "I guess this means the next Nier will have to have an old man protagonist like in Gestalt or they won't be able to release it on PS"

    I was always under the impression Gestalt was the canon one and Replicant was a concession to Japanese market.

    Also some of the comments genuinely seem worrying, because if I have to make my assumptions about what they figure Sony is "censoring", then I want off this planet.

  3. Good, Sony. Keep trash hentai games out of PlayStation, keep things like Nier or Persona.

  4. "Just put parental controls on and don't restrict games intended for adults."

    At least make sure the characters you’re sexualizing are adults then.

  5. What games are being censored so far? the only example seems to be pedophile garbage, anything else?

  6. The comments made me laugh.

  7. [tweet about the English cert]

  8. Good on Sony, others should follow. This unhealthy obsession with lite-pedophilla should not be supported.

  9. Great news. Hopefully the don't allow the seemingly creepy underage girl sexualization. Why is anyone for this?
  10. Wtf? Would you like it if Sony of America sent a North American dev through certification process in Japanese?
Eight talk about the censorship (either for or against, mostly the former), two about certification. Who exactly are you trying to fool here?

Anyhow, I'm off to sleep.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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"People say they really want one sexy man game therefore women don't have a problem to be objectified"

is that the WORST take we ever had on ANY of those threads ?