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Always felt there was not enough old women in games. Or just stories in general. There's 40 and older women everywhere in life in every profession and walk of life.
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Why women criticise sexualised character designs |OT2| I have no pants and I must scream (READ OP)
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Always felt there was not enough old women in games. Or just stories in general. There's 40 and older women everywhere in life in every profession and walk of life.
Yeah, no; "the majority of the people were talking about the English cert" is a straight, barefaced lie. Here's the first ten posts:
Eight talk about the censorship (either for or against, mostly the former), two about certification. Who exactly are you trying to fool here?
Anyhow, I'm off to sleep.
"Now we can finally stop criticizing the anime titty!" lol.
Oh there were a ton of shit tier takes in the first thread. It was like some users were trying to out do each other with continually worse takes.
Nah, that honor goes to this post on the first thread:
So far, there have been some close ones but this still is the worst take in any of these threads.
I didn't say Goblin Slayer is an isekai, I said:
"has basically" and "comedy isekai"
So I'm comparing these characters (from episode 1) to ones from e.g. Konosuba. Where am I saying that the show Goblin Slayer is an Isekai? The point is specifically that those characters are completely unfit to the oh so dark fantasy world Goblin Slayer supposedly portrays. But thanks for your irrelevant 'statements', sales figures and what have you that keep missing the points being made.
There's already plenty of fanservice for people who want women in skimpy outfits or with model-tier bodies, or where the camera zooms in up their asscrack with them completely unawares. People wanting more less-sexualized depictions of women is not equivalent to men who refuse to acknowledge sometimes people wanna see sexy guys too given the dearth of them. This shouldn't be hard logic to grasp, yet somehow it is.
You know? Forget it. It's a useless discussion that won't go anywhere and I'll just lose my time.
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That was a goddamn helluva thread. Goblin Slayer is now 100% my new litmus test for anime fans.
Nemesis162, do you really think the removal of the PS4 (and all future Sony platforms) as an option will have little impact on games based around creepy content? Relying solely on one Nintendo platform for the console business for this shit seems like a shakier business model to me, costs are going up and multiplat Nintendo /Sony development was at least a recent positive for smaller developers following the Switch. It won't make them disappear but it's still a major strike against them on consoles going forward.
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I'm always amazed at people who think one thread, point or handful of examples about 'but sexualised men!' is some kind of gotcha that means the hundreds of examples in this discussion are now just one side of a coin, and so it can be packed up and no longer discussed. Maybe they would rather put it in a box marked 'stand back, women! I have solved this media issue with three sentences of my flawless logic!' rather than be reminded of it's endemic nature on a regular basis.
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Heck yeah. Had an animated version of this card art pop up in my Facebook feed as a sponsored post for MtG Arena just now and thought I'd share her badass self here
The great thing about Magic ladies is how varied they all are. I'm pretty casual but I mostly play black and I really like sexy corset vampires like Liliana but as is often repeated in threads like this is that it's the variety (or lack thereof, as is often unfortunately the case) of styles of representation that are important so it's nice to be able to have functional, fully armoured warrior women along with that.
Gamer fragility in action. "One dude is hypothetically sexualized, therefore all female sexualization is always okay, gotcha feminists! *emo mantears*"
People like Serge Chrono are why this thread exists.
I also like how a certain statistics-obsessed poster suddenly loses any ability to count the moment they can complain about animu games being """"censored"""". Suddenly, after his constant spams of sale figures to prove points nobody cared for, counting stopped mattering at all and outright lies are made immediately. The disingenuousness is on full display.
Anime fans can really be the worst.
One day I'll get to talk about anime I like and why, but with such anime fans around, why bother?
Depending if they accept or not, it'll have a big impact. Still, this thing affects all developers on Japan, not just those niche ones, even for games that will never be released on the west. The best option for them is going steam/switch if they feel that it's not worth it.
And the thing with english certification was confirmed:
Light, the studio behind Dies irae: Amantes amentes, is developing a PlayStation version (PlayStation 4 or PS Vita was not specifically clarified) of its January 2017-released ages 18 and up visual novel Silverio Trinity. Console versions of ages 18 and up titles are generally edited to meet the requirements of platform holders and ratings boards, but recent regulations imposed by Sony Interactive Entertainment have taken a stricter approach to such edits compared to the past. Silverio Trinity is one of several titles to be affected.
Light representative: "Right now Sony seems to be moving toward disallowing ports of ages 18 and up titles worldwide. And this games is ages 18 and up, so it's being subjected to a very strict inspection, and we're getting all these questions. And like 'Please write everything in English.' So we're in the middle of answering those now, and we're not sure if we'll get approved or not. It's terrible, but in any case, development is done.
"So internally it's complete, but there are things we can't do without connecting to Sony's servers, like Trophies. So everyone is like, 'When will we be able to add Trophies?'
"And we have a guy who is in charge of translating everything into English and sending it to Sony, but it's like, 'Don't you guys understand Japanese?' At present we're thinking we can release early next year if it passes Sony's inspection… And if Sony says no, then I guess we'll just find somewhere else to put it."
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Moderator: "So you're waiting on approval."
Light representative: "Yeah, waiting for Sony's approval. If we put it on Steam or wherever, we could be selling it next week. But at the moment we have an agreement with Sony, so… We submitted it with this agreement and yet we're waiting for approval… Pretty awful, right?"
Read more at https://gematsu.com/2018/10/visual-...y-recent-sony-regulations#z2hDMrccts5m3al0.99
Uhhh... did i read correctly? Goblin Slayer fans are now blaming the critics? What?
Why the fuck the fans of the most gross manganimes are always so... gross?
About the sony thing, the real hurdle is not the censorship (if any) but the weight it puts over the developers.
Why the fuck the fans of the most gross manganimes are always so... gross?
About the sony thing, the real hurdle is not the censorship (if any) but the weight it puts over the developers.
I can't find the exact comment but I'm pretty sure the worst was (paraphrased):
I saw this and laughed.
People consider the Nier story profound and high art and amazing and stuff but when I look at it I just see like a fetishy robot sex doll. I'm not sure if that fact undermines the story -- I guess that's up to people to decide for themselves... But the portrayal approved for SC6 kind of lays it bare if there were any illusions held by anyone that the character was designed to be anything else
I skimmed though one chapter of the manga and though it looked like edgy garbo.
Am I alright?
It's funny (or maybe bit sad) that I actually took a pause when playing Thronebreaker, since me as the player character got called a mom. I don't think I've ever been called a mom in any game before (or real life). I've played as plenty of dads though. Not to say Meve would be very old, but still it really stood out to me and made me smile. Though the game also has atleast one older woman as a possible party companion. She's a sorceress and unlike many of them she uses no magic and spells to enhance her appearance and make herself younger. The game has little bit of dialogue about this to explain her appearance, she's bit of a hippie.
I'll put the images in spoiler tags just in case, since it's so new game and the pictures have slight spoilers in form of party companions. But I've really liked the female characters in the game so far. Meve herself is great too!
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I spotted this complete failure to grasp the different context and proportion of male/female sexualisation/objectification in fantasy media in the 'is there a market for hypersexualised men' thread, but sure, I think you've got a 'winner' there!
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idk man we've had some absolute nonsense. that's a bad take but it probably doesn't even clear the top 10 Bad Takes from these threads.
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I'm scared to ask about Goblin Slayer... I get that it's an anime but what's terrible about it? Rapey waifu nonsense?
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"Women's bodies are public commons" and "objectification isn't bad or good because the cosmos don't have morals" were some good ones too. From the same poster even. Creative, I'll give them that. Really working the angles. lol
Rape for mere shock value, edgy because why the fuck no, the protagonist is one dimensional. Waifu bait everywhere.
It's almost self-explanatory just by telling you that it features goblins raping female characters and this is one of the show's key visuals.
So, accordingly, I set my expectations extremely low.
Yet, those expectations were shattered upon watching the episode because it's not only gratuitous as fuck, there's also nothing good about it which would explain why its light novel or manga counterpart are as popular as they are.
The way this first episode ends is with this girl, who barely escaped death and had to watch her team members get brutally killed and/or raped and appeared to be thoroughly traumatized (understandably), just merrily joining up with the Goblin Slayer for future goblin slaying adventures. Oh and she was even horrified at the Goblin Slayer himself for killing goblin children.
I could post screenshots depicting how the raping is framed but I'd rather not...
Yep, saw that post, it basically comes off as "Gee, I like Quiet, I mean she breathes through her skin, but APPARENTLY that's not realistic enough for some people. Ugh. Why do that they to ruin my enjoyment like that?"
I think that goblinslayer team visual alone sums up so many of the issues that we touch on in this thread, whether it's framing, poses, sexualisation, design tropes, infantilisation or half a dozen more in comparison between the male and female characters. Not in a 'using a shitty cartoon/comic to dismiss a medium' way, but in a 'here's loads of our regular topics all in one image' way.
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Yeah, it's all essentially 'I don't want to have to recognise how common this shit is in the stuff I love, so it would be so much more convenient if I could dismiss hundreds of pages of discussion with a quick 'gotcha' or if it would just go away and stop making me think about it'.
That MtG art is actually really nice! I've never really looked into MtG before since I don't have interest in getting into it, but maybe I'll buy some art books if they've got 'em.
This and people who try to suggest with a straight face that a shirtless man with abs is the same level of objectification as a flawless woman wandering around with the camera constantly zooming into her chest/butt while wearing high heels and lingerie armor. Kratos was the most objectified after all! e_e
This and people who try to suggest with a straight face that a shirtless man with abs is the same level of objectification as a flawless woman wandering around with the camera constantly zooming into her chest/butt while wearing high heels and lingerie armor. Kratos was the most objectified after all! e_e
Ths Goblin Slayer discussion has been a revelation for me, because up unitl yesterday, I assumed "Women Getting Ripped Apart By Orcs" (as referenced in the excellent and often-quoted Thermian Argument video) was a parodic mishmash of some of the worst tropes in fiction, but I guess it was referencing something far more specific.
The hillarious thing? It wasn't. Goblin Slayer didn't release until a year after that video. He was making something up and made it so drastic that he thought no anime would actually do that...then Goblin Slayer proved him wrong.
There are ten minutes in the first episode dedicated to watching women getting raped by Goblins. This isn't a hentai, but a maintsream anime.
I've only seen the first two episodes, and I feel extremely confident that your assessment is correct.
Holy shit, you're absolutely right: the video is from 2015. What a complete mind screw. :D
So that thread that I got wrapped up in was about the origins of Goblin Slayer, it was a fan fiction thread on 2chan filled with popular characters from other franchises.
The show was already primed to have the worst and least introspective fans adoring it.
Funny thing is, according to some, at some point in the future it supposedly tones down the edge and becomes fun DnD adventures with team chemistry or whatever...but why should I trudge through the uncomfortable rapey nonsense to get to that when Dungeon Meshi is getting an anime adaptation, providing a much more wholesome alternative?
I recomend World Trigger mangá/anime for those who want more realistic designs without pandering.
Haha, I've heard from reliable sources that it just gets worse. The really bad thing was people implying the show is giving a voice to sexual assault victims and not just being exploitative.
Man, Dungeon Menshii is so fucking good.
I love where that manga has gone.
PFFT haha. Oh that's a bad take on that show.
haven't read it since they rescued the sister.
It's depiction of female characters has stayed on point, right?
Haha, oh you should keep reading.
And yes, the characterization is still really good.
Are you referring to the part mentioned in that Etc thread about Goblins strapping naked rape victims to siege shields in spread leg positions?
What you're saying ain't that hard to believe.
Speaking of Anime, Yall should give the new season of Castlevania a watch.
The characterization of all the characters is really strong even just the side characters and it's actually funny and charming. The two main female characters are well written, and I was surprised at how much depth they gave to the series that was just a vampire slayer fighting monsters.
The characterization of all the characters is really strong even just the side characters and it's actually funny and charming. The two main female characters are well written, and I was surprised at how much depth they gave to the series that was just a vampire slayer fighting monsters.
Both of this are correct, it seems that it's the calm before the storm. I didn't read spoilers but all the LN readers where like lol you naive manga readers. It actually scared me where it could go.
Every time I take a peek in this thread, the discussion has always been the same: anime, which is pretty telling. Japanese games have always been influenced by anime since the old days, and now that the sexualizations in anime getting out of hand, it'll only get worse in games too. Tags are no longer serve their purpose now, "ecchi" tag in anime has penetrated the medium because almost every popular anime would fit in ecchi category now. Now that ecchi has become the norm in anime, it'll also penetrate games too.
I made a thread earlier this year in etc about this subject, and I'm still not convinced that anime has always been this lewd since the old days, despite people told me so.
I made a thread earlier this year in etc about this subject, and I'm still not convinced that anime has always been this lewd since the old days, despite people told me so.
The discussion has been about anime because there's this latest sensation by the name of Goblin Slayer.
I think the reason you have people defending Goblin Slayer is because the show is very blatant and upfront about what it thinks about women so a lot of the shit side of anime fandom are drawn towards it. But because some of them don't want to be too blatant about how they really feel we get a bunch of bullshit about how "The rape is important to the story" and other such nonsense.
The good news is that the show is probably very niche. I've been at a anime convention all weekend and I've not seen or heard anything about Goblin Slayer since I got here.
The good news is that the show is probably very niche. I've been at a anime convention all weekend and I've not seen or heard anything about Goblin Slayer since I got here.
Xenoblade 2 is a feminist power fantasy, dontchaknow?
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