Interesting talk about fashion in games
https://www.gdcvault.com/play/1025774/Why-Fashion-in-(Most)-Games
https://www.gdcvault.com/play/1025774/Why-Fashion-in-(Most)-Games
I wasn't aware we were striving for ass clap physics in games these days.
This design is ridiculous lmao.
Despite the drying up of my skin on the fingers , I still get burnt when using the Mongolian Composite despite good gloves.At first I thought it was sarcasm... and now... >.>
As a person who used to do archery and as a person who has studied historical archery, it's worth nothing that a lot of people simply didn't have a lot of the extras associated with archery. Not entirely by their own fault, in many cases due to conscription they simply didn't have the option and worked with what they had. Additionally, most archers tended to build up callouses on their fingers, much like modern guitarists, and thus would have some level of resistance regardless of whether or not they were wearing appropriate attire. Even so, for extended periods of combat (which didn't actually happen all that often outside of siege warfare), armguards and other forms of bracers certainly helped. Though again, from a historical perspective, particularly up until around the 1400s or so, most groups were highly mixed so the actual styles and types of things worn could vary greatly due to the likelihood that there would be a fairly high amount of diversity among people practicing archery (as many of them were highly migratory due to transient hunting).
Not gonna claim to have much knowledge about newer history, as my knowledge is more from 1400s backwards. So uh, I trust that? lolDespite the drying up of my skin on the fingers , I still get burnt when using the Mongolian Composite despite good gloves.
And again Fantasy Strike is happening in modern day era , where Jaina can have acccess to appropriate protective gear for her style of bow ...
(Hell in canon she is even depicted as not particularly be aching for money so even charactecrisation wise they kind of have no excuse here )
Sorry to be a bit of a stickler but like I said I'm equal parts happy to see a Mongolian Composite in the hand of a woman for once (not that often that you see it happening ) and seeing the gear being so wrong just plain destroy my joy as quickly as it rose up ...
That's why it make me so frustrated...
How can you get it so right and yet so wrong at the same time.
PS : In case it wasn't clear I'm not talking about the traditionnal mongolian recurve bow , but the exact opposite philosophy among altaic tribes , the composite fusion between the recurve and the Tuvan war long bow , that they call composite that they invented in the 1800's for celebratory competitive events amongst each other tribes ... And Jaina is using one such celebratory competitive bow
Also wasn't aware the Fantasy Strike game was depicted as modern, but given the characters that seems really weird (costume-wise).
Yes, this is the youtuber. I haven't seen this video, but in the other one she addresses the benevolent sexism expressed by one of the NRS developers who suggested that the women's clothing are more practical and respectable than previous games. She states that practicality shouldn't be brought up in a game where a character can get their spine shattered and continue battling. She also argues that the men have shirtless costumes and that the women should have alts. where they too can show some skin. I didn't finish the rest, but I think I got the gist of what she was saying.
welcome to being wrongI honestly don't think the huge majority of female gamers (outside of places like this board) care very much about this topic
lolI honestly don't think the huge majority of female gamers (outside of places like this board) care very much about this topic.
I'd love to see it atleast, I think I've missed it.Do we link him to the recent articles about what EA found out after polling multiple groups of gamers when it comes to reprenstation issues ???
Because for real that's legit the biggest demand of both men and women , better depiction of women in games ...
I honestly don't think the huge majority of female gamers (outside of places like this board) care very much about this topic. That being said, game characters being used as spank material is stupid & weird. I just want fun, interesting characters that I can relate to. They can also be pleasant to look at without being ultra-sexualized.
Indeed that's encouraging and again going back on Jaina's design . Although I'm a bit miffed with their weird desing choices at least Sirlin Games went above and beyond to depict a bow that was created by Tuvan women for spring archery competitions between Tuvans and Mongols and Uighurs , gave it to a woman in the roster , and unexpected of the unexpected they bothered to depict the protective gear .I'd love to see it atleast, I think I've missed it.
Edit: Nevermind! Found it
Edit 2: And I actually have read it before too =D Nevertheless, it's rather encouraging.
Isnt "female gamers" perfectly acceptable to use, it's not the same as "females"? Female gamers also consist women who aren't yet, well women. Girls and women.
No worries it's all good and yeah I'm just bummed out that the protective gear is not true to life while all of the rest is sooo damn close to real life experience with modern mogolian composite ...Oh, no, I'm not really intending to roast or anything! I actually kind of dig and understand the sort of very detailed familiarity with a very specific thing, and there's certainly something to be said for loss of suspension of disbelief due to intimate familiarity with a thing (I had a moment or two with how computers were depicted in Captain Marvel, for instance, which was pretty much my only beef with an otherwise very fun and entertaining movie).
EDIT: evidently someone else posted right when I did. Sorry for the confusion!
I really shouldn't dabble outside this forum to read anything gaming related. On another forum in a thread about Nether Realms interview regarding the less sexualized female characters of MK, where they say how those are more respectful and mature and they don't regret the change. Instead of just accepting this to be the wish of the developers, the OP frames it to be because "people are just too easily offended". All the first replies also chime in how it's because "outrage culture". This really, really pisses me off. I saw the same with Battlefield, while even the higher ups quite clearly explained even their own very personal motivations for inclusion of women. Why can't they even believe that good things happen because sometimes people get better and not because they're forced to do better.
Isnt "female gamers" perfectly acceptable to use, it's not the same as "females"? Female gamers also consist women who aren't yet, well women. Girls and women.
Hahahaha oh maaaan I get that feeling. Maybe once it hits full release and they start selling cosmetics like costumes, they'll do a "proper protective gear" version. I mean, she IS canonically supposed to be pretty reckless, after all ; )No worries it's all good and yeah I'm just bummed out that the protective gear is not true to life while all of the rest is sooo damn close to real life experience with modern mogolian composite ...
Like for real they did their homework real good . That's why I'm so frustated about the misgivings because the rest is so perfect like gaaaaaaah whhhyyyyy
Oh right, that's understandable. Didn't think to check the post count. It's definitely dismissive attitude.Normally sure but when it's used by Mister 18 posts who came in here to tell us that nobody cares about this, then I'm a little less inclined to believe they're saying it in good faith.
I honestly don't think the huge majority of female gamers (outside of places like this board) care very much about this topic. That being said, game characters being used as spank material is stupid & weird. I just want fun, interesting characters that I can relate to. They can also be pleasant to look at without being ultra-sexualized.
That would be cool if an alternate was gear accurate indeed .Hahahaha oh maaaan I get that feeling. Maybe once it hits full release and they start selling cosmetics like costumes, they'll do a "proper protective gear" version. I mean, she IS canonically supposed to be pretty reckless, after all ; )
Normally sure but when it's used by Mister 18 posts who came in here to tell us that nobody cares about this, then I'm a little less inclined to believe they're saying it in good faith.
I don't play Granblue, but doesn't it have a ton of crossover promos with other popular series? I know it had a Persona 5 one. Maybe that's why.
I honestly don't think the huge majority of female gamers (outside of places like this board) care very much about this topic.
Hm.I'm not terribly convinced that there's a large population of folks who would be playing video games if it weren't for all the scantily-clad and/or large-breasted female characters.
Liana Kerzner is definitely a great source of objective analysis on topics like this.
yeah i hear this christina hoff sommers lady is a pretty down-to-earth feminist who doesn't hate men u should totally check her out she's objective not like those crazy SJWs amirite LOL
I think it's fair to criticize and discuss invidual points and examples in her videos like with anyone else, but it just usually doesn't stop there. "Look this one thing is debatable, so she's wrong about everything and a scammer, she's not even a REAL gamer, she's a thief and a cheat, she should burn, shall our boners be strong!" Just like the title of that Kerzner video is really hyperbolic. If someone else criticizing video games would make you stop writing about them, good riddance please do. Stop with any videos too.Isn't it strange that most of the women video makers that write about video games who don't agree with Anita , the ones that are sensibles are the ones that never made a video titled "why Anita is wrong" ....
You know the ones that disagree with her by simply not even adressing her existence and doing their own thing ...
I'm just sayin' folks ...
Man or woman if the video title can be reformulated in "why anita is wrong" just move along there's nothing of value to be seen on that channel ...
Most women who write video essays about video games I follow don't exactly agree with Anita and are critical of her , but barely bother to mention her at all they are way too busy putting their point of view together and argue their points .I think it's fair to criticize and discuss invidual points and examples in her videos like with anyone else, but it just usually doesn't stop there. "Look this one thing is debatable, so she's wrong about everything and a scammer, she's not even a REAL gamer, she's a thief and a cheat, she should burn, shall our boners be strong!" Just like the title of that Kerzner video is really hyperbolic. If someone else criticizing video games would make you stop writing about them, good riddance please do. Stop with any videos too.
Yeah that's very true. Insted of doing a "response" video to something which never asked for your response, just adress the issue on your own way. Not "I calmly DESTROY Anita Sarkeesian", or how it goes.Most women who write video essays about video games I follow don't exactly agree with Anita and are critical of her , but barely bother to mention her at all they are way too busy putting their point of view together and argue their points .
You can refute arguments without even mentionning them just by making a more compeliing case of your own not even adressin anyone else ...
Those two video thumbnails alone are enought to tell me that nothing of value will be part of those videos I don't even need to click I already know that it will be a net loss of my time.
*googles Liana Kerzer*
(since it gets cut: the title of the second one is "A Challenge to Anita Sarkeesian: Listen and Believe #GamerGate")
"Great source of objective analysis".
This is really a banable offense?I honestly don't think the huge majority of female gamers (outside of places like this board) care very much about this topic. That being said, game characters being used as spank material is stupid & weird. I just want fun, interesting characters that I can relate to. They can also be pleasant to look at without being ultra-sexualized.
I wasn't aware we were striving for ass clap physics in games these days.
This design is ridiculous lmao.
fwiw this is the 7-post person you're replying toHe was downplaying the want for female representation in the medium, later citing gamergate-type youtubers as objective sources of analysis on the matter. His ilk isn't wanted here.
I always wondered what exactly would be considered a sexualized male?
And of course the guy is complaining about people being upset that the new Samurai Showdown character completely new to the francise contrary to previous women fighters is more than sexed up a bit ...
You're wasting your time with those guys .Okay, so I'm going to make the assumption that you are asking this in good faith, and am going to try and explain it to you as best I can.
Just what are you appologizing for here ? Personnaly I think you've done more than a fine job explaining it all even though we all know they read none of it of course as per usual .I apologize for the wall of text, and I don't claim to speak for everyone here. I am trying to voice some of my perspective, as limited and flawed as it might be. There are many wonderful posters on this thread who could give better responses. I hope some of this has been helpful.
Y'all really need to start checking the post count on these guys before you start making these long ass posts that they have no intention of ever responding to.
And yet those long ass calm and collected posts will in the long run be read by other passer by who'll quietly read them and take some notes.Y'all really need to start checking the post count on these guys before you start making these long ass posts that they have no intention of ever responding to.