RPS linked to a blogpost on the weekend about the "Gamer" boy and how the industry caters to them, which infact throttles the implementation new radical ideas:
https://reallifemag.com/well-played-game-boys/
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Why women criticise sexualised character designs |OT2| I have no pants and I must scream (READ OP)
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RPS linked to a blogpost on the weekend about the "Gamer" boy and how the industry caters to them, which infact throttles the implementation new radical ideas:
https://reallifemag.com/well-played-game-boys/
Compared to those weird morphing of Women and Bike , the ship-girls were harmless.
But I was also weired out and never understood how this works, that they have cannons and anchor on their back and why the keep up this this burden:
Therefore I think bikegirl is the pinacle of senseless combining women with stuff.
But I was also weired out and never understood how this works, that they have cannons and anchor on their back and why the keep up this this burden:
Therefore I think bikegirl is the pinacle of senseless combining women with stuff.
So THAT is where the inspiration for motorcycle Shiva in FF XIII came from!I present without comment
I find it to be equally questionnable , and when you take the time to dig in the source material to see what gives you see a huge load of them being even more infantilize than most female characters in manga and anime .Compared to those weird morphing of Women and Bike , the ship-girls were harmless.
But I was also weired out and never understood how this works, that they have cannons and anchor on their back and why the keep up this this burden:
Therefore I think bikegirl is the pinacle of senseless combining women with stuff.
Like for real it's the same level of creepy.
No matter the franchise (yes there are several ship girls games because the original Japanese game kantai collection never bothered to export itself so a Chinese clone azure lane emerged and a westerner based kickstarter game is on the way named victory belles) its always the same rules : the bigger the ship the bigger the beasts. The smaller the ship the more under aged... It's really weird. And don't get me started on their battle damaged art...Compared to those weird morphing of Women and Bike , the ship-girls were harmless.
But I was also weired out and never understood how this works, that they have cannons and anchor on their back and why the keep up this this burden:
Therefore I think bikegirl is the pinacle of senseless combining women with stuff.
1- the 3ds released in 2011
2- final fantasy 13 released in 2009~2010
3- metal max 4 is a 3ds game
Get your facts straight please before you make hot takes @o@
That may sway my vote towards the ship girls.... for most purposeless female anthropomorphisation of machines
hah i completely overlooked the 3ds part on the right. the art made it seem like some oldschool kinda game
The Metal Max 3 art on DS is still crazy sexualised but at least the young woman wasn't part of the bike then...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Max_3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Max_3
The cover art was riffing on early 2000 Metal Slug promotionnal artworks. So I get why you were tricked.
You'd think these types of guys would've been chomping at the bit to research this stuff as soon as they had the chance. lol
Man it's like you have to do background checks on youtube channels you sub to, I followed one after seeing a neat Resident Evil lore video of theirs and then this guff shows up in my subscription box...
Just...just imagine pointing to this as something you produced with any semblance of pride ._.
Just...just imagine pointing to this as something you produced with any semblance of pride ._.
It's always best to look for a video on some sort of semi controversial topic tgo get a sense for the channel. I was about to sub to a channel doing a decent RE retrospective then decided to check his RE5 video just to be safe. Let's just say I'm glad I did and did not give that guy a sub.Man it's like you have to do background checks on youtube channels you sub to, I followed one which did neat Resident Evil lore videos and then this guff shows up in my subscription box...
Just...just imagine pointing to this as something you produced with any semblance of pride ._.
Aye that's a good shout, in particular how they handle some of the trickier discussion of RE5 is a good litmust test :p
ggmanlives being all "lol deh sjws gonna be mad" over Quiet in MGS5 was a similar one for me, man what a weird challenge it is trying to steer clear of this nonsense in gaming spaces
All this MK outrage makes me wonder - did that also happen when they rebooted Lara Croft? I honestly can't remember.
She was so over abused at some point, it seemed like a relief when they stepped down from it. But she is still very pleasing to the eye, no question. If they went any further, who know what would have happened?
But I personally can't think of any other case like that. I guess, we would need sexy dudes first, who get toned down.
When it happens, then it is more about harmless stuff and with the male players coming along. When the first DMC5 trailer was shown, we all died over that cursed image of the new Dante. The internet went crazy over his ugliness and made fun of it in a lot of ways. But examples like that are as far as it goes.
She was so over abused at some point, it seemed like a relief when they stepped down from it. But she is still very pleasing to the eye, no question. If they went any further, who know what would have happened?
Hayter is good boy.
But I personally can't think of any other case like that. I guess, we would need sexy dudes first, who get toned down.
When it happens, then it is more about harmless stuff and with the male players coming along. When the first DMC5 trailer was shown, we all died over that cursed image of the new Dante. The internet went crazy over his ugliness and made fun of it in a lot of ways. But examples like that are as far as it goes.
That's a good point actually, I remember much of the discussion at the time being over the "you'll want to protect Lara" quotes and such from that infamous interview. I do wonder if the game's release being pre-gamergate was a factor in there being less '''censorship''' talk...
I don't think we got this kind of "censorship" downgrade talk about her. The only thing I remember hearing was people complaining about the attempted rape and the whole "you feel like you must protect her" nonesense. Speaking of the "protect her" stuff, I remember feeling disappointed when I heard that. Lara with all her fault atleast was a strong character that feels like she owns the places she is in. Her biggest faults were the sexualisation that came with the first reboot and the 90's media.
A mix of the first couple of Tomb Raider (classic) Lara and better character design is all I wanted.
Well sign me up for that !Joking aside is it in anyway equally as objectifying as the original ?
If male characters were treated like female characters.
Classic.
Heck no that drawing doesn't even scratch up the surface of male characters sexualization and what can be done ... and how bad it can get ...
Then again yes I know the drawing was meant to be a replica of the original artwork for FFX-2 but still it's not even close ...
As for reboot Lara Croft versus original Lara Croft dunno in english circles but in french speaking places naaah the boob talk was in full swing all over again ...
I honestly never understood the 'protect her' quality people seemed to project onto Nu-Lara. I played the game and never once felt that in any way. I think most men just like the idea of saving the woman, even if they're just holding a fucking controller.
That's pretty disgusting. People just assumed she was trans cause she has a few boyish features? Do these idiots realize there's always been girls like that?
It was actually the developers themselves who said this, specifically this:
https://kotaku.com/youll-want-to-protect-the-new-less-curvy-lara-croft-5917400
This was honestly really bad. Like why does it matter if you play as a woman or man. I certainly didn't feel that way when I played the original with my sister. She was just this badass woman and that's what we loved about her.
But look, this is what I am saying. Let's take James from Silent Hill 2 for example. Dude has to run away from peril all the time, but would anyone use the phrase 'keep him safe'? I doubt it. On the other hand, would there have been a female protagonist, they likely would have. Nu-Lara faces incredible danger and doesn't get away without a scratch. That doesn't make her subpar, that's just part of that kind of experience. And because she happens to be a woman, suddenly all men - developers included - think she is in need of protection. That is all projection on their part. That's just men making it about themselves again.
I mean yeah you are right about that. It ties to the whole "can't relate" type of talking points. I can't relate with everyone obviously but sex/race/backgrounds don't matter to me. What matters is how well written the character is or how understandable the motivation of the character is. New Lara for example, is stuck on an island, isn't used to this type of life. This can be relatable to most people especially in the west. Her being a woman shouldn't prevent someone from relating to her.
I am going to be honest here, I don't like new Lara and her games. First game was somewhat of a good start even though it wasn't the Lara I loved or the same series (it was really different but fun), the next games have been criticized to death so I am skipping talking about them. However, never once did I feel the need to "protect" her. She was just another video game character I can relate to in many ways like Arthur Morgan, Kratos, Senua. Not everything is relatable but obviously there are somethings. Best way to explain what I mean is that I stop thinking I am controling the character, rather I am the character. This works because you understand the character's motivation, and new Lara's motivation in the first one was understandable enough to relate to.
So what's the whole deal with Lara over the years anyway?
I never got into the old Core Design Tomb Raider games, but from looking over things I got the sense there was a difference between Lara in the games and Lara in the marketing material (I may have talked about this in this thread or somewhere else on this forum), and much of the reaction later on was in response to marketing Lara.
And then nu-Lara seems to be an improvement visually but a downgrade in terms of personality. Sure she's supposed to be less experienced in these new games (the first one anyway), but people now seem to miss the more confident and irreverent Lara of the older games.
The classic Lara (think the ones made for the Saturn/PSX etc) used to have a more serious, confident Lara. She was a really cool character who got all she wanted because of her self. Her family disowned her because she went against them. Most of the sexualization came from advertising, and later games started pulling from that when she became a gaming icon.
Then you have the first reboot Lara (Tomb Raider Legend/Underworld/Aniversary). She became much more sexualized in the game. Her outfits became much more sexualized, her character became more "sexy" (by that I mean her voice and the way she talks and the various outfit she wears). You also have the whole family legacy aspect that plagued the series to this day. Instead of Lara being her own person she was always following her parents footsteps. This was later reused in the next reboot.
Then you have the second reboot Lara which threw everything about the old Lara out of the window and turned her into a very and I mean very serious and gritty Lara. The games kept promising she will become the legend eachtime which always ended in the next game going "THIS time she will become The Tomb Raider!". What we got was a Lara who was really brutal, very Rambo like and felt like a sociopath. This could have been an interesting take on her but I feel they didn't have good enough writing.
I like the classic version the best because she was her own boss. She built her self up and she was just a straight up badass. The biggest problems with her was the design which looked fine at the start until they kept making her breasts bigger and focusing on the sex appeal.
If they ever make a reboot then I hope they go back to the classic Lara personality and history but with better character design, something similiar to reboot 2 Lara would be great. Also bring back the braids and the very fluid movements of her and the dual wield pistols.
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For what it's worth, and in case anyone cares, I didn't express myself very well in this quote:
"I'm not terribly convinced that there's a large population of folks who would be playing video games if it weren't for all the scantily-clad and/or large-breasted female characters. "
would was supposed to be wouldn't. I was trying to make the point that most people don't make a game purchase decision based on whether or not the female characters are sexy to look at.
FML. -_-
I just assume that every single gaming channel is nazi trash nowadays. Before I watch a video, I check out the titles of the rest of their work. It usually takes about three seconds to figure out if the people behind the channel are shitlords or not and I've had a 100% success rate thus far.Man it's like you have to do background checks on youtube channels you sub to, I followed one after seeing a neat Resident Evil lore video of theirs and then this guff shows up in my subscription box...
Just...just imagine pointing to this as something you produced with any semblance of pride ._.
I'm not sure where you were going with "downplaying the want for female representation in the medium". The more women that are interested in playing, designing and making content about video games, the better, IMHO.
In terms of the YouTuber I mentioned, I really don't want to dig my heels in on that topic because I know its sensitive. I'll leave it at saying that she's been very critical of GamerGate over the years. They are reactionary babies about most things & have been a major contributor to ruining any chance of having objective conversations about these types of topics. I do not support them at all.
Weird that the whole "rEsPeCt ThE dEvElOpEr'S vIsIoN" thing doesn't seem to apply here for reasons 🙄
If the developer's vision doesn't align with their own, it must have been compromised somehow because there is no way a developer could want to make a game that's not in line with what some gamers want it to be! /s
Man it's like you have to do background checks on youtube channels you sub to, I followed one after seeing a neat Resident Evil lore video of theirs and then this guff shows up in my subscription box...
Just...just imagine pointing to this as something you produced with any semblance of pride ._.
They don't know much about censorship.
It can be used for good reasons, like preventing kids from seeing inappropriate images. One episode of the Pokemon SM anime never aired here because Ash wore blackface getup. And the localized version of the "Pokemon: The Electric Tale of Pikachu" manga toned down Misty's breasts from a D cup to an A cup and removed a pointless fanservice scene featuring her naked. All are justified instances of censorship.
But they see it only as a negative alarmist word to complain about artistic direction. Breasts toned down? "SJWs are forcing developers to censor muh tiddies!" Transphobic cutscene taken out? "SJWs are censoring the developer's creative vision!". Crappy fanservice game removed little girl groping? "SJWs are censoring sexual expression! Maybe the little girls wanted to be groped!". To them, it's just another fear-mongering word that plays into their insecurities and incites their audience to harass their targets.
It's easy for them to blame an outside source for something like when a game is changed overseas but didn't the MK guy even say, "Yep no more bikini warriors! No regrets! This is what we're doing now!"? They lose that leg to stand on and go full conspiracy nut, "Obviously he's been BRAINWASHED by those pesky SJWs and their agenda!"
I find it so funny and sad, that these morons get so offended and hyper focus on the looks of these characters, that they literally only talk about it
I don't know to directly upload a image on here, but it's a complication of all the articles of That One Angry Gamer did about the game
ALL of them is literally just about the female characters
like, the original characters in Mortal Kombat wasn't even that sexy at all
What gives?
I don't know to directly upload a image on here, but it's a complication of all the articles of That One Angry Gamer did about the game
ALL of them is literally just about the female characters
like, the original characters in Mortal Kombat wasn't even that sexy at all
What gives?
See the button that looks like a picture? Just past the link in there an it will show up
See the button that looks like a picture? Just past the link in there an it will show up
I actually tried that, and it didn't work, but thanks
Is it kinda ironic that these guys are always blasting on how "game journalism" is bad because of SJWs
Yet there own journalism is bs, literately nothing about the game itself
Speaking of Kitana I was checking out the MK Reddit given the leaks and ran into this rendition. To the forum's credit that's a much less sexualised picture that's been up for less time and have more up votes.
The fact that this piece of art is called "True Kitana" speaks volumes about the artist and his or her views.
All of it is awful and you just know that he would be the first to scream "artist integrity" if any of his precious fanservice games were censored. As usual for this idiots, "artistic integrity" is a one way street for them.
So... the only "true" Kitana is a naked Kitana? Good grief!
What's even dumber is that Kitana wears a leotard in her first outfit so apparently the only "true" outfit for anyone is the one where they are scantily clad for the audience.
I appreciate the director's metacommentary on achievements by making them all buyable with in game currency because I bought all the achievements I was missing since I gave up on the "Look up 2B's skirt 'x' times" achievement. After buying all the achievements and seeing the Platinum trophy appear with a soft pop, it was like an epiphany about why should I bother with all achievements.
On the other hand, I believe the director stated that the outfits are the way they are cause they thought it looks cool.
... and I mean. It's a pretty distinct look. The contrast of black and white and the blindfold and contrast of the huge weapons.
It's seemingly strangely skeevy in contrast to the tone of Automata though it was everpresent the director's other works like Drakengard and Nier too. It's just something so ingrained that I just give it a pass to enjoy the rest of it. Alas.
to be fair, the person calling it "True Kitana" is the poster not the artist, the artist's page is here and he actually has some good looking stuff that's not nearly as bad (so much so, the Kitana really sticks out like a sore thumb)
https://www.artstation.com/andrey_zheltov
If it helps the game has sexuality as part of the narrative so its not like it was put in there devoid of context because of its purpose within the world even if the director has expressed his hornyness.
I've been curious about how to properly address this without looking/sounding like a moron.
I know that 3d scanning and face scanning is a thing, but I really enjoyed that Katana looked like a "real asian person" versus just a caricature of an anime rendition of it. Is that okay to say or does that still come off douchey?
It's just nice between her and the other two bros in the nostalgia trailer (Sorry I'm not well versed in MK) actually looking like Asian people versus reskinned white people.
If I say that do I look dumb? Because I've been digging their character models since Injustice 2 and this game have stepped up their game whereas everything looked like putty in Injustice 1.
I know that 3d scanning and face scanning is a thing, but I really enjoyed that Katana looked like a "real asian person" versus just a caricature of an anime rendition of it. Is that okay to say or does that still come off douchey?
It's just nice between her and the other two bros in the nostalgia trailer (Sorry I'm not well versed in MK) actually looking like Asian people versus reskinned white people.
If I say that do I look dumb? Because I've been digging their character models since Injustice 2 and this game have stepped up their game whereas everything looked like putty in Injustice 1.
Injustice 1 was so ugly I stopped playing it, no joke. Everything about it was hideous. I2 was such a massive improvement, it's crazy.
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