Why women criticise sexualised character designs | OT3 | "Her ass is part of her character."
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Wasn't there also this shit about the one female Skulls unit being all sexualized while the male ones were dressed normally?
Oh, didn't remember them. I'd still put the Beauty & the Beast squad over them in the Fucked-Up-Treatment-of-Women-o-Meter.Wasn't there also this shit about the one female Skulls unit being all sexualized while the male ones were dressed normally?
MGS4 is probably the overall worst by sheer quantity, but V heavily objectifies Quiet and then (physical and sexual violence) has her drowned and almost raped.
Recently, I said that Death Stranding is very sexist as well, and I was lambasted for "missing the point" and "trying too hard" with this game.
I so very much despise the personality cults among some creators.
I so very much despise the personality cults among some creators.
People don't want to admit it but tonally MGS is basically a seinen anime. There just aren't that many Japanese games that follow that storytelling style.
Oh, and the worst is still what happened to Paz in Ground Zeroes. That felt like it was trying too hard for shock value in the way some "mature" anime tend to.
Oh, and the worst is still what happened to Paz in Ground Zeroes. That felt like it was trying too hard for shock value in the way some "mature" anime tend to.
I don't know if it was just because I was terrified of the Skulls because they were hell to deal with, but in my opinion they never crossed the sexy line like Quiet did, even if they're clearly sexualised. I also don't know why Kojima just didn't use their traits for Quiet, because sniper infected with parasites that allow their skin to change colour to camouflage, hence the lack of clothing, is infinitely less stupid than "she's half naked because she breathes through her skin" lol. Like obviously it's just an excuse to have women enemies in bikini bottoms, but at least it's a simple and plausible explanation in the context of the series universe.Wasn't there also this shit about the one female Skulls unit being all sexualized while the male ones were dressed normally?
I honestly think the cinematography of the cutscenes is the problem with them, moreso than their designs. LIke, I think it's the encounter before you get to Code Talker's mansion (I may be mistaken, I've not played it in 5 years) where they come out of the mist, the camera pans across all of their breasts in turn, then spins to their butt, then zooms out to that screenshot, and that's the cutscene.
I agree with this. MGS4 is just filled with embarrassing content. Top to bottom. But the stuff in MGS5 just seems so, so much worse to me.
Funny enough, MGS3, one of the better examples (and quite possibly the only Kojima game to have a genuinely interesting female character) seems to be the way it is in spite of Kojima's desires (and it still manages to have plenty of problematic shit).
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We should start the discussion by talking about why is sexualization bad. Is it?
In my opinion, that sexualization is something bad is a social construction, just as the idea of sex itself being bad. We have fought during decades for sexual liberalization and bow it seems we are walking backwards.
Summarizing: I dont see sexualization as something bad. I just see it has been forced to be considered like something bad. Think about it.
In my opinion, that sexualization is something bad is a social construction, just as the idea of sex itself being bad. We have fought during decades for sexual liberalization and bow it seems we are walking backwards.
Summarizing: I dont see sexualization as something bad. I just see it has been forced to be considered like something bad. Think about it.
This discussion has been running for 3.5 years, you aren’t starting anything. Perhaps try reading the OP and re-reading the thread title as you’ve missed the entire context by a country mile.
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This is a post in incredibly poor taste. As has been said this thread has basically been going for years. Perhaps even just read the OP before coming with this incredibly dismissing and insulting take.
Sexualisation is different from sexual liberation. In fact, they're at total opposites. You can have sexual characters who have agency in their sexuality but that's not what sexualisation is, which is forced and unnecessary mostly, it doesn't factor into the character's stories, and is just there for titillation. Have a read of the thread properly first.
She was my favorite character in the first game, so I have certain expectation. Would be nice to see less pervy stuff but I won't be surprised if they consider it one of the selling points or something.She all grown up
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Imagine not posting for over a year and then dropping this lukewarm take lol
I got yelled at by some folks for exactly the same thing recently. Kojima consistently has problems with portraying women in his games, and it's so confusing to me that some people seem to want to sidestep that.
I see someone has learned some big words/concepts like "social construct" recently. Good for you, buddy. Though maybe try to still continue that journey of learning a bit further, k?
Someone also did it with Batman and Catwoman the Arkham Knight and you can see how ridiculous and sexualized her animations are
I'm someone who enjoys reading people's takes here, mostly to better educate myself. And, like others have pointed out, the discussion has been going on for quite a while.
You should just, I don't know, try to read the thread before blurting out with something so tone-deaf?
I started playing Tales of Berseria last night. So far it's anime shlock (nothing good, nothing bad), but I'm extremely confused at Velvet's character design. For those who don't know, near the beginning of the game (not really a spoiler, but just in case)
But then she changes into more tattered rags. What the hell? So damn stupid. I dunno, I'm not super impressed with the game so far. It's OK, but I don't know if I'll continue.
Velvet is imprisoned in a dungeon for three years, feeding off of other daemons to survive. And then she escapes. That makes sense as to why her clothes are tattered rags. She hasn't been given new ones for three years
But then she changes into more tattered rags. What the hell? So damn stupid. I dunno, I'm not super impressed with the game so far. It's OK, but I don't know if I'll continue.
They offer her proper clothes later, but she refuses to take 30 seconds to change into a whole shirt/pants because it’s a waste of time, disregarding the 15 minutes per hour it must take to correct the placement of her current raggy outfit Perfectly to maintain the Pegi rating.
I forget the reason she gives, but a party member actually offers to mend the more tattered rags and she refuses lol
Fake Edit: Just beaten lol "waste of time" was the reason?!
Yeah, that design decision eventually made me stop playing as I just couldn't take it any more. Besides being actually absurd and not making any sense that she wouldn't change it, it kept actively coloring my enjoyment of the game seeing it all the time. Then again, I have trouble finishing Tales games anyway. I always go into them with high hopes and eventually just get tired about a third of the way through, so that probably also didn't help.
Velvet's actually one of my favorite Tales protags, but I absofuckinglutely hate her default outfit. I basically just have her in the prologue outfit and just put accessories on it. It's really something they should've done better with when designing her, because she's actually written pretty well and I like how Magilou trolls the shit out of her. Her outfit just makes her really hard to defend and taints the game a bit.
Well, at least you can quickly change her back to her villager outfit, so that's something I guess. I doubt it carries into cutscenes. Haven't seen any since.
Iirc the cutscenes are real-time so the costumes stay. I remember this because I died laughing when I was wearing the mascot outfits during vibe drama moments.
Most of the time the outfits your characters are wearing stay, except on skits and anime cutscenes.
I think so. She said something like “why bother”. The master of efficiency of purpose, you see.
I basically read it as Velvet is so one track minded in her revenge towards Artorius that she just gives 0 fucks, but god damn the outfit is just not a good look for her. The game feels like the writing team writing an actually good character and the art department going, "fuck that noise" and just trying to design something to sell PVC statues to pervs.
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It's such a weird scene because it seems like the intent is for it to come off as some fucked up female empowerment.
I can't post video or screenshots at the moment, but before she can be raped Quiet is able to fend them off and kill all the Russians. She even specifically shoots them in their genitals. And then when Snake arrives we see her bust out holding an RPG in one hand and her long sniper rifle in the other hand framed in a striking pose. These are so CLEARLY meant to represent phallic objects and thus Quiet taking their power (ie figurative cocks) from them.
Like, WHAT?! No man, no. That's not how you do female empowerment. How are you going to overly sexualize Quiet and then both literally and figuratively rip the dicks away from the men in game for sexualizing her? It's the classic trying to have your cake and eat it too.
Like, WHAT?! No man, no. That's not how you do female empowerment. How are you going to overly sexualize Quiet and then both literally and figuratively rip the dicks away from the men in game for sexualizing her? It's the classic trying to have your cake and eat it too.
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isn't that scene supposed to be ~female empowerment ~subversion because them ripping off her clothes to rape her is what allows her to breathe and fight back
i am never touching a kojima game lmao
FWIW, Death Stranding was far better in his rampant sexualization (not perfect, but not MGS levels at least). Maybe he's maturing in the aspect? Quiet, though, is one of the worst things I've ever seen as far as the topic is concerned.
Was there any doubt? Male bunny boys are respectable and modest, it's females who are using their "" sexual liberation""
male viera don't have their asscheeks hanging out... feminism loses once again
I actually like Fragile, game treats her like shit though.
Fragile, had a hard life...
I really liked her performance.
Quiet was so embarrassing that I was afraid my husband would walk in on one of her helicopter scenes.
I warned my wife ahead of time and she still gave me shit about it (and I don't blame her one bit)
My favourite part is when she awkwardly splashes around while on her knees because the actor is doing their best but is clearly confused doing some bizarre act that that's both pseudo-sexually and pseudo-child-like.
... Then flip and flops over like a sexy fish out of water.
No one can act that. But dammit if they didn't try.
