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Princess Bubblegum

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It still makes no sense to me that A2 runs around for the entire game in ruined, shredded clothes when there is literally an entire world of spare clothing lying around around she could steal to cover up with. It's not like the humans need it.

The shredded stockings in particular make me really uncomfortable.
Why would A2 want to procure more clothing? She's a combat android that was left for dead by a militarized, human worshiping organization that dresses their soldiers up as dolls. She has no inherent need to wear clothes and probably views them as standard issue gear.

It's one thing in the game that's actually logical.
 

grand

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Why would A2 want to procure more clothing? She's a combat android that was left for dead by a militarized, human worshiping organization that dresses their soldiers up as dolls. She has no inherent need to wear clothes and probably views them as standard issue gear.

It's one thing in the game that's actually logical.
If anything, she should've discarded the ruined clothing and spent the rest of the game as a nude mannequin. But that's not "as sexy"
 

grand

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I don't disagree. A better game would have her design incorporate some Terminator style body horror.
Yeah, you could definitely see an alternative game where as the game progresses A2's cosmetics get torn away until she's a mess of electronics & female anatomy. But alas.... straight male fantasy rules the day
 

Princess Bubblegum

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Not that I was planning to touch the Danganronpa series thanks to other issues talked about in this thread, but I just learned about Chihiro. *flips table* Japanese media, otaku oriented anyway, really loves trans girl coded characters that are actually cis crossdressers with some kind of complex.
Yeah, you could definitely see an alternative game where as the game progresses A2's cosmetics get torn away until she's a mess of electronics & female anatomy. But alas.... straight male fantasy rules the day
That would also tie into her character arc rather well.
 

RecLib

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Not that I was planning to touch the Danganronpa series thanks to other issues talked about in this thread, but I just learned about Chihiro. *flips table* Japanese media, otaku oriented anyway, really loves trans girl coded characters that are actually cis crossdressers with some kind of complex.

Its astounding that not a single character in the entire trial, even for a second, brings up "what if Chihiro identifies as a girl"? A large crux of that entire murder case is "who was able to get into which locker rooms when", which was entirely based on the gender assigned to them on their monopads. Danganronpa, and other media i'm sure, outright does this while acting like transgender people literally do not exist. Because otherwise, surely in a life or death murder investigation, you're going to want to think to ask "hey Monokuma, if Chihiro identifies as a girl, what would you have put down on the monopad?"
Its not even about whether the characters are progressive or not, even the most anti-trans shit head would have that concern during a situation like in the danganronpa games, where you can die if you get the trial wrong.

But nah, the idea that Chihiro could be transgender doesn't even cross a single characters mind for a second. Its really rough stuff.

This also happens almost immediately after the game makes you type out the slur "schizo" to generically refer to a person with a mental illness who doesn't even have schizophrenia at all, they instead have a (offensive and completely unrealistically depicted) case of DID.

Danganronpa has so many issues.
 
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steejee

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It makes me a bit sad the Automata designs infiltrated FFXIV, though admittedly there are a few that make a good base for glamours (eg my DNC set uses the Automata chest for DNC).

Not that I was planning to touch the Danganronpa series thanks to other issues talked about in this thread, but I just learned about Chihiro. *flips table* Japanese media, otaku oriented anyway, really loves trans girl coded characters that are actually cis crossdressers with some kind of complex.

Yeah this is endlessly frustrating to me as well.
 

Daouzin

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Nier Automata is a bad game with embarrassing character designs.

A take like this is why I wish Nier Automata didn't have so many problematic elements that downplay it's core atmosphere/message.

I legitimately don't understand how someone can not have a good time with the core movement of Nier. Jump between 2B and Link from BotW and the degree of control is just worlds apart. If Link moved like 2B in BotW it would probably be my game of the last decade, but I find movement in BotW so meh, I was done with the world after 30 or so hours, despite so much more to see.

Outside of that I also think the emotional tug of Nier out weighs anything in gaming by a large margin. However, I do think, whether conscious of it or not, I think the problematic elements keep a lot of people from experiencing it or feeling that way about it (which is totally fair). I would love for so many people to feel what I felt while playing Nier, but Yoko Taro's shamelessness creates a niche wedge of people that can, which is a god damn shame.
 

ClickyCal'

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A take like this is why I wish Nier Automata didn't have so many problematic elements that downplay it's core atmosphere/message.

I legitimately don't understand how someone can not have a good time with the core movement of Nier. Jump between 2B and Link from BotW and the degree of control is just worlds apart. If Link moved like 2B in BotW it would probably be my game of the last decade, but I find movement in BotW so meh, I was done with the world after 30 or so hours, despite so much more to see.

Outside of that I also think the emotional tug of Nier out weighs anything in gaming by a large margin. However, I do think, whether conscious of it or not, I think the problematic elements keep a lot of people from experiencing it or feeling that way about it (which is totally fair). I would love for so many people to feel what I felt while playing Nier, but Yoko Taro's shamelessness creates a niche wedge of people that can, which is a god damn shame.
That's what it is for me. I don't care how amazing a story supposedly is, or how good a character is "despite their design", like I have heard a lot for a lot of games. If they have designs like Nier, Xenoblade, etc...I just don't care. How can I take a character seriously that is running around like 2b wearing that?
 

Pilgrimzero

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I've been plying Cyberpunk and the game having a way to horny billboard thing going on I think it's female characters are top notch.

From Claire to Judy to Rogue etc. I'd say the female characters shine way more than the males.
 

Retromess

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That's what it is for me. I don't care how amazing a story supposedly is, or how good a character is "despite their design", like I have heard a lot for a lot of games. If they have designs like Nier, Xenoblade, etc...I just don't care. How can I take a character seriously that is running around like 2b wearing that?
I 100% understand this, and it's so shitty to me that how fetishized the designs of 2B and other characters are.

The game is easily in my top 5 of all time, I love it to death, but I completely understand why people don't like or can't get into it for various reasons, and it's a hard game to recommend to some of my friends who I know would love the story, but can't "get past" (not that it should be treated as "getting past the sexualization" because it's a legit issue) the appearance of 2B.

Regardless of how the game's cutscenes frame her (they don't sexualize her at all, if I recall, but it's been a while) but you can't avoid it. You see her panties every time you dash, there's a trophy for looking up her skirt, etc. It's stupid, and it belittles an amazing experience.

I played the game on PS4. Are there mods on the PC version that give her... pants? Or other outfit options? (not including her Route C outfit though) It wouldn't solve everything but it would at least help somewhat. :/
 

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A take like this is why I wish Nier Automata didn't have so many problematic elements that downplay it's core atmosphere/message.

I legitimately don't understand how someone can not have a good time with the core movement of Nier. Jump between 2B and Link from BotW and the degree of control is just worlds apart. If Link moved like 2B in BotW it would probably be my game of the last decade, but I find movement in BotW so meh, I was done with the world after 30 or so hours, despite so much more to see.

Outside of that I also think the emotional tug of Nier out weighs anything in gaming by a large margin. However, I do think, whether conscious of it or not, I think the problematic elements keep a lot of people from experiencing it or feeling that way about it (which is totally fair). I would love for so many people to feel what I felt while playing Nier, but Yoko Taro's shamelessness creates a niche wedge of people that can, which is a god damn shame.
My problems with Nier go much much further than just the character designs.

For one it probably has the worst "open world" I've ever experienced in a video game.

The story also didnt work for me in anyway because the characters weren't interesting. I cant get invested in 2B's struggles when 2B is as bland as oatmeal. I think Yoko Taro did an awful job on making the characters interesting in a way to drive player investment. It didnt help that during dramatic cutscenes the characters look ridiculous.

Dont even get me started on the prevalence of hacking in the second route lol. The final decision at the end of Route E was the easiest decision I've ever made haha.

Obviously the story hit differently for others as that's the thing the game has been most praised for.
 

Daouzin

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My problems with Nier go much much further than just the character designs.

For one it probably has the worst "open world" I've ever experienced in a video game.

The story also didnt work for me in anyway because the characters weren't interesting. I cant get invested in 2B's struggles when 2B is as bland as oatmeal. I think Yoko Taro did an awful job on making the characters interesting in a way to drive player investment. It didnt help that during dramatic cutscenes the characters look ridiculous.

Dont even get me started on the prevalence of hacking in the second route lol. The final decision at the end of Route E was the easiest decision I've ever made haha.

Obviously the story hit differently for others as that's the thing the game has been most praised for.

Different tastes for different folks. Yoko Taro's layout for the world was basically a copy paste from Ocarina of Time. I actually think the layout of open world games that are small, work much better for me personally. I got burned out of open world games by Assassin's Creed 2 on 360 lol. Breath of the Wild was the first open world game I've played in a long time that I didn't turn off forever after the 2-3 hour mark.

I can't really agree on anything you said, but you know, games are pretty subjective. People loved the Last of Us and I was super burned by it. I was like, really? Y'all like this? Just watch a movie, lol.

Hades, I totally get, Grand Theft Auto, not for me, but I get it. Same with Call of Duty. Last of Us tho,... I just don't see it. :(
 

Saucycarpdog

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So I guess Judy in Cyberpunk might have originally meant to be bi? Modders found in the code fully voiced romance lines with Male V. CD is saying the lines were merely done for future proofing.

Don't know but thought it was worth posting.

www.eurogamer.net

CD Projekt clarifies Cyberpunk 2077 Judy romance after modders unearth unused male V voice lines

CD Projekt has clarified Cyberpunk 2077's Judy romance after players found unused male voice lines in the game.THERE MA…
Last week, modders discovered male V is able to romance Judy in the PC version of the game via a simple code change inserted via the console command.

Doing so means the Judy romance scene occurs with the male V body type with male voice over. Unmodified, Judy can only be romanced as a female body type and female voice type V.

Later scenes with Judy that are only possible after the romance scene is completed also include full male V voice work, which replicates the lines exactly as they're spoken by female V.

Some fans have called this "cut content", but speaking to Eurogamer, a CD Projekt representative denied this was the case, insisting the male voice lines were only recorded "so we could avoid missing something by mistake that would require future recordings".

"It was simply more convenient and easier for our localisation team from a production point of view to record all lines with both voices, so we could avoid missing something by mistake that would require future recordings," the CDP rep explained.

"This was done with pretty much everything just to be on the safe side although it can vary between the different languages.

"Judy was always only a female V romance partner and that was the artistic vision from the start, there was no male romance option cut from the game."
 
The first Nier (And certain segments of Automata) is a commentary of modern game design, mostly of Zelda


Does it excuse any sort of rep of female characters? Maybe not but he and his team has been consistent with how their game are themed.

So I guess Judy in Cyberpunk might have originally meant to be bi? Modders found in the code fully voiced romance lines with Male V. CD is saying the lines were merely done for future proofing.

Don't know but thought it was worth posting.

www.eurogamer.net

CD Projekt clarifies Cyberpunk 2077 Judy romance after modders unearth unused male V voice lines

CD Projekt has clarified Cyberpunk 2077's Judy romance after players found unused male voice lines in the game.THERE MA…

Personally, I prefer Judy being a lesbian. And I mean that it ok for relationships to be gated but it should go both ways with cis and queers.
 
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KujoJosuke

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I won't begrudge any negative thoughts others have of the NieR series, but Automata helped save my life in a way. I was spiraling and playing it helped me with my bipolar disorder and wanting/desiring to get my life on track.
 

Rotobit

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The final decision at the end of Route E was the easiest decision I've ever made haha.

Yuuup I remember taking like 3 seconds to make that decision.

To me N:A is a great start, a few great early moments involving the robots, a lot of boredom, then a solid final ending. I found it an absolute slog to play through until I decided to just ignore all of the side content, it'd have been better as a standard Platinum level-based thing IMO.

That said, I understand if people are really drawn to the characters + world that it wouldn't feel as bleh to be stuck in it for so long.

But yeah the costume designs are somethin' else. At the very least they have very good uses of color palettes?
 

ConVito

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Its astounding that not a single character in the entire trial, even for a second, brings up "what if Chihiro identifies as a girl"? A large crux of that entire murder case is "who was able to get into which locker rooms when", which was entirely based on the gender assigned to them on their monopads. Danganronpa, and other media i'm sure, outright does this while acting like transgender people literally do not exist. Because otherwise, surely in a life or death murder investigation, you're going to want to think to ask "hey Monokuma, if Chihiro identifies as a girl, what would you have put down on the monopad?"
Its not even about whether the characters are progressive or not, even the most anti-trans shit head would have that concern during a situation like in the danganronpa games, where you can die if you get the trial wrong.

But nah, the idea that Chihiro could be transgender doesn't even cross a single characters mind for a second. Its really rough stuff.

This also happens almost immediately after the game makes you type out the slur "schizo" to generically refer to a person with a mental illness who doesn't even have schizophrenia at all, they instead have a (offensive and completely unrealistically depicted) case of DID.

Danganronpa has so many issues.
I didn't know anything about the game so this all came as an unfortunate surprise during the Game Grumps' current playthrough of it. Props to Arin for being clearly uncomfortable with it and calling it out at the end of the episode (even though he's stopped inserting more appropriate pronouns for Chihiro in the episodes since).

Sad thing is, up until that point, it felt like the game was going to be oddly progressive, considering how nobody ever questioned Sakura's gender or made any comments about her appearance. My fault for being an optimist, I suppose.
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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I didn't know anything about the game so this all came as an unfortunate surprise during the Game Grumps' current playthrough of it. Props to Arin for being clearly uncomfortable with it and calling it out at the end of the episode (even though he's stopped inserting more appropriate pronouns for Chihiro in the episodes since).

Sad thing is, up until that point, it felt like the game was going to be oddly progressive, considering how nobody ever questioned Sakura's gender or made any comments about her appearance. My fault for being an optimist, I suppose.

That game also misrepresents mental illness, shames body types, as well as just having laughably insipid writing. I don't think the game really seemed progressive.
 

ConVito

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That game also misrepresents mental illness, shames body types, as well as just having laughably insipid writing. I don't think the game really seemed progressive.
I'm not saying it does anymore in any way. But it seemed like all of that was dropped on us at once during the Chihiro trial. Everything before that just seemed no worse than the regular subtle misogyny present in pretty much every anime style game.
 

Roliq

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Still pissed about how for V3 they had a chance at a female protagonist yet used her as a way to motivate the male one
 

purseowner

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So much about Danganronpa leaves a bad taste in the mouth. There are various CGs that feel pornographic in framing too, as well as the aforementioned mishandling of various narrative and character elements.
 

ConVito

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So much about Danganronpa leaves a bad taste in the mouth. There are various CGs that feel pornographic in framing too, as well as the aforementioned mishandling of various narrative and character elements.
There's one part where the player gets the POV of one of the female characters but not before the game decides to show her posed on the bed in her underwear.

All that bullshit would already bother me plenty, but what makes it even worse is that I love the art style otherwise.
 

RecLib

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We always wind up with better titles to use, but "The regular subtle misogyny" is still a good thread title.
 

Lausebub

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Reading about all the MGS and Nier stuff again, why don't Kojima, Yoko Taro and their consorts just team up and make some Hentai,
to get it out of their system?

Also the clearly better ingame explanation for the android designs in Nier would have been them playing Anime games and thinking this is
how all women look/dress.
 

esserius

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Reading about all the MGS and Nier stuff again, why don't Kojima, Yoko Taro and their consorts just team up and make some Hentai,
to get it out of their system?

Also the clearly better ingame explanation for the android designs in Nier would have been them playing Anime games and thinking this is
how all women look/dress.
Funny you should say that, because Yoko Taro actually said he wanted to create porn when he was interviewed at a panel in 2018.
kotaku.com

Nier Creator Yoko Taro Wants To Make An Adult Video

When giving a panel at SEA Summit in Singapore, Yoko Taro talked about his hopes and dreams, including the possibility of a Nier sequel, a Drakengard and a porno.
 

Famassu

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Is it true that this is one of the better armors/protective gear in Cyberpunk 2077? (NSFW)

ErHeEdGU0AABXAs

Didn't quite think they'd stoop to the less-is-more levels of female armor designs/stats.
 

SolidSnakex

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Is it true that this is one of the better armors/protective gear in Cyberpunk 2077? (NSFW)

ErHeEdGU0AABXAs

Didn't quite think they'd stoop to the less-is-more levels of female armor designs/stats.

Not really. It works like a lot of armor you see in games. You can find that at a low levels and higher levels. It's often times just a color swap. I think my run ended with V's best armor being a tanktop and a bulletproof vest over it.
 

arcadepc

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Reading about all the MGS and Nier stuff again, why don't Kojima, Yoko Taro and their consorts just team up and make some Hentai,
to get it out of their system?

Also the clearly better ingame explanation for the android designs in Nier would have been them playing Anime games and thinking this is
how all women look/dress.


Funny thing Kojima's first forray as a developer was Japanese computer games, a platform where ero games surpassed non-ero games in numbers and had many moments of sofporn nudity,erotic violence and also exceptional 2d background art.
Console ports of those games were significantly toned down or edited.

Yoko Taro is younger but he probably played those games as a teen and student in the 80s/90s

I still discern that 80s-90s vibe in their games.

Add also Annita Sarkeesian's inflammatory comments about Japan that added fuel to the fire, I doubt Japanese developers wanted to listen to her during the femfreq days.
 

Paroni

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Chronicon is a quirky example of the same game having both excellent and questionable female design.

It has the Templar, a female warrior who wears an actual armor and also actually looks like a brawny soldier instead of a Victoria's Secret model.
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Then it has the Warden, who has absurdly tight shirt and also exposed midriff for no particular reason. Making her sexy is a bit redundant in general, because the in-game 2D sprites look much simpler.
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Princess Bubblegum

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Boob socks. Ugh. That's not how clothing works!
Add also Annita Sarkeesian's inflammatory comments about Japan that added fuel to the fire, I doubt Japanese developers wanted to listen to her during the femfreq days.
I don't remember what you are referencing but I don't think Japanese developers like Taro and Kojima give much of a shit what anyone says, let alone someone in another country. Without looking it up, I'm sure Kojima got plenty of otaku death threats after MGS2. Also such an oddly specific thing to bring up.
 

arcadepc

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Boob socks. Ugh. That's not how clothing works!

I don't remember what you are referencing but I don't think Japanese developers like Taro and Kojima give much of a shit what anyone says, let alone someone in another country. Without looking it up, I'm sure Kojima got plenty of otaku death threats after MGS2. Also such an oddly specific thing to bring up.

It is relevant, but I will not insist too much because of the past situation.


What are you trying to say here? What do you mean by "added fuel to the fire"?

The relevant quote: One thing did stick out though, which made me feel slightly uneasy. When asked by a member of the audience if she did not think it was a bit unbalanced that the majority of the games she listed came from Japan, and if indeed western developers were not getting better at portraying women in games, she did acknowledge that was the case but also stated "The US bombed them back to traditional values – feminism does not exist in Japan. While I don't like judging an entire culture… that does not excuse them." I felt that statement was quite blunt and dismissive and stuck out from an otherwise informative talk. If that is truly how she feels, I think it would be even more important to separate western games from Japanese games and fully acknowledge the difference in culture, rather than treat games from both regions in exactly the same way. The author notes this is "blunt", but more importantly, it is wildly, wildly incorrect. It is the opposite of true. WW2 did not "bomb them back into traditional values", it resulted in rapid westernization of Japan. Indeed, women got the right to vote there just after the end of WW2.
 

Conditional-Pancakes

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It is relevant, but I will not insist too much because of the past situation.




The relevant quote: One thing did stick out though, which made me feel slightly uneasy. When asked by a member of the audience if she did not think it was a bit unbalanced that the majority of the games she listed came from Japan, and if indeed western developers were not getting better at portraying women in games, she did acknowledge that was the case but also stated "The US bombed them back to traditional values – feminism does not exist in Japan. While I don't like judging an entire culture… that does not excuse them." I felt that statement was quite blunt and dismissive and stuck out from an otherwise informative talk. If that is truly how she feels, I think it would be even more important to separate western games from Japanese games and fully acknowledge the difference in culture, rather than treat games from both regions in exactly the same way. The author notes this is "blunt", but more importantly, it is wildly, wildly incorrect. It is the opposite of true. WW2 did not "bomb them back into traditional values", it resulted in rapid westernization of Japan. Indeed, women got the right to vote there just after the end of WW2.

I'm sorry, I still fail to see what it has to do with Lausebub's post that was in essence saying that the character designs in these games share a lot of things with what can be seen in porn.
 

Lausebub

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Not sure what you are getting at arcadepc. I don't need a specific reason, why the women in there games are the way they are and men don't need to play porn games to have a shitty opinion about women, society does a pretty good job at that.

Also I don't think either on of them or most other Japanese developers have heard of Anita before and as already stated probably don't give hoot about her opinion.
 

AdaWong

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I've played a number of resident evils and have managed to accidentally completely blindspot Ada I think. Like playing games she isn't in or playing the paths she isn't in.
I think she is a bit in 4 right? But I played that one so long ago I genuinely remember nothing story wise other than rescue the presidents daughter.

Haha you probably played odd-numbered RE games then. Ada/Leon are in even numbered games while Chris/Jill are in odd numbered games. Chris is the only exception for RE6's case.

I am really curious how they are going to handle Ada and Ashley in the remake of 4. I hope they nix Ashley and just give Ada a proper role, build off the new canon in 2's remake.

Ada always had a significant role in RE4, it's just her ridiculous dress. Although her dress is more revealing, she actually wasn't as sexualized as Ashley in RE4, who has constant boob/ass shots, etc.
 

Princess Bubblegum

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It is relevant, but I will not insist too much because of the past situation.




The relevant quote: One thing did stick out though, which made me feel slightly uneasy. When asked by a member of the audience if she did not think it was a bit unbalanced that the majority of the games she listed came from Japan, and if indeed western developers were not getting better at portraying women in games, she did acknowledge that was the case but also stated "The US bombed them back to traditional values – feminism does not exist in Japan. While I don't like judging an entire culture… that does not excuse them." I felt that statement was quite blunt and dismissive and stuck out from an otherwise informative talk. If that is truly how she feels, I think it would be even more important to separate western games from Japanese games and fully acknowledge the difference in culture, rather than treat games from both regions in exactly the same way. The author notes this is "blunt", but more importantly, it is wildly, wildly incorrect. It is the opposite of true. WW2 did not "bomb them back into traditional values", it resulted in rapid westernization of Japan. Indeed, women got the right to vote there just after the end of WW2.
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I can not find a reliable source for this. Please provide one.

Ada always had a significant role in RE4, it's just her ridiculous dress. Although her dress is more revealing, she actually wasn't as sexualized as Ashley in RE4, who has constant boob/ass shots, etc.
In the original GameCube release, her role is pretty small compared to Resident Evil 2 (2019). The Ada bonus modes aren't even canon. (Not that I put RE canon on a pedestal.)
 
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purseowner

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It is relevant, but I will not insist too much because of the past situation.




The relevant quote: One thing did stick out though, which made me feel slightly uneasy. When asked by a member of the audience if she did not think it was a bit unbalanced that the majority of the games she listed came from Japan, and if indeed western developers were not getting better at portraying women in games, she did acknowledge that was the case but also stated "The US bombed them back to traditional values – feminism does not exist in Japan. While I don't like judging an entire culture… that does not excuse them." I felt that statement was quite blunt and dismissive and stuck out from an otherwise informative talk. If that is truly how she feels, I think it would be even more important to separate western games from Japanese games and fully acknowledge the difference in culture, rather than treat games from both regions in exactly the same way. The author notes this is "blunt", but more importantly, it is wildly, wildly incorrect. It is the opposite of true. WW2 did not "bomb them back into traditional values", it resulted in rapid westernization of Japan. Indeed, women got the right to vote there just after the end of WW2.
All I can find is an imgur picture captioned with that. Source please.
 

arcadepc

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All I can find is an imgur picture captioned with that. Source please.

Sorry, original site does not exist anymore (Notplayed) and even worse, rest are just taking that specific sentence and out of context
It took place in Sweden
https://ause24.rssing.com/chan-12875010/article13.html


Ms. Sarkeesian not only talked about her previous work but gave us a bit of a preview on her future publications and some of the issues she will be addressing. She made an excellent point about women, or depictions of women, being used as a reward, which I felt was one of the best parts of her talk. She showed a handful of examples were games rewarded the player with obviously sexist material (concept art, outfits etc.) as either pre-order bonus material or reward for completing the game. I feel that these examples clearly highlight were developers have no regard for women at all and purely play on the objectification of women to peddle their games to an immature, male, audience. As I also mention in my open letter to her, cases of clear sexist and misogynist behavior absolutely need to be exposed and that kind of development needs to stop.


Ms. Sarkeesian also talked at length (both in her talk and as part of the panel) about online harassment and in particular the feeling of entitlement gamers and the gaming community seem to feel. I could not agree more with her on this point, as I mentioned in a previous post.


I think one issue I will always have to disagree with her, is her interpretation of some games. Today she used Dante's inferno in 2 cases, highlighting Tropes vs. Women, and (with a dismissive gesture) seemed to lay the blame on the developers. Personally I'd argue that the developers used a pre-existing story and brought that back to life in the form of a video game. But I believe these are subjective gripes and overall I felt it was good to hear her talk in person about the issues she is trying to highlight.


One thing did stick out though, which made me feel slightly uneasy. When asked by a member of the audience if she did not think it was a bit unbalanced that the majority of the games she listed came from Japan, and if indeed western developers were not getting better at portraying women in games, she did acknowledge that was the case but also stated "The US bombed them back to traditional values – feminism does not exist in Japan. While I don't like judging an entire culture… that does not excuse them." I felt that statement was quite blunt and dismissive and stuck out from an otherwise informative talk. If that is truly how she feels, I think it would be even more important to separate western games from Japanese games and fully acknowledge the difference in culture, rather than treat games from both regions in exactly the same way.