There are a few that are definitely just chainmail bikinis, but I'm loving some of the new sets.
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Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
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There are a few that are definitely just chainmail bikinis, but I'm loving some of the new sets.
Oh my GOSH it's so fluffy!! ♥There are a few that are definitely just chainmail bikinis, but I'm loving some of the new sets.
Definitely going to have to try running a female hunter too now.
Oh you should see the palico set from the same monster parts.
It's like fluffier than imaginable.
not to shit up the thread, but SNK heroines seems marketed to various females that I know.
I mean, i know like maybe 3 or 4 women who I know are into what heroines is about, so its still super niche.
Theres a lotta all female anime fighters, and skullgirls, but not sure if those are tailored for feminine women
Is that the set from that new flying mouse/bat/puffball monster? That's nice, one of my favourite aspects of the designs is when they are obviously immediately evocative of the monster they are from.There are a few that are definitely just chainmail bikinis, but I'm loving some of the new sets.
I mean I know a lot of wlw into fanservicey stuff, and that's fine, I like it sparingly myself. But I'm really not sure that SNK Heroines would count as being marketed towards women. It seems kinda blatantly for guys who like girls in skimpy clothes. But maybe I'm wrong and there's a big portion in the Japanese community of women who play fighting games who love seeing Mai obviously uncomfortable in a cow-print bikini, idk.
I'm saying that the series's questionable content is such an everpresence that it's honestly testing my believe that someone who actively dislikes them would be willing to tolerate them for three games and 3 spin-offs just for the sake of the story. And even if they actually do, I don't feel that they really have much ground to be testy when they're being lumped together with the game's main demographic as if they don't have a choice.
In the end, it is what being talked about here. It's not that Senran Kagura is just an ecchi game, but it's mainly an ecchi game. I think there's not dispute about this at least, ya? It's a fanservice game first and foremost, with other things being added bonus. It tracks that it mainly targets ecchi fans.
When somebody say "its fans like it for its sexualization of minors", I feel neither "No, I simply tolerate sexualization of minors" nor "No, I also like other things besides sexualization of minors" is a good look.
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Never played Monster Hunter but that seems pretty good. Very few armors show a lot of skin and those that do look to be barbarian type armors, would have to see the male versions of them.
Also that gallery seems to show all the helmets with no other armor on, which could be misleading if people think those are actual armor sets.
Well no that's not "canonically" that I find jarring here, it's "come the fuck on". I don't know how you think a non english speaker read this at first sight but you probably know which connotation this word has.
As said I already find the word jarring in a video game forum aimed at people over the age of 13 whatever the topic is, but even more in a topic about "why women criticise sexualised character designs".
Eh, I'd put some visual novels discussed as worse than Criminal Girls.
But fair enough. I wasn't invoking slippery slope fallacy as I thought the discussion was about the existence of such content in any given work and not the prevalence of it, in which case a lot of games would be out.
Yeah it is.
There are definitely some bad ones in there though, but I generally like the new ones.
Personally I just wish Heroines was still about being cute opposed to sexy.
Gal fighters was really cute.
Aaaaaaah.
Well I can't speak for anyone else, but for me it's just...good ole fashion american amplification. The nature of things is that this thread is very long and a lot of people make the same arguments a lot which commonly result in very little and it all gets somewhat frustrating, and sometimes, all you can do is roll your head back and let one fly.
I won't lie, DBfZ servers being shitty tonight is also souring my mood and maybe is making me a bit more barbed than normal.
YOOOOOOO!There are a few that are definitely just chainmail bikinis, but I'm loving some of the new sets.
Man, all this stuff better make it into the PC version. I worry about the extra content that seems to have hard time limits on them.
Oddly the Special edition contains a female shirt and cap that says ("Fatal Cutie") that seem at least at first glance to be geared towards either women or men who want to collect women's clothes.
https://store.nisamerica.com/preord...eroines-diamond-dream-edition-nintendo-switch
Your argument is non-existent because you're just saying how you see the games and each person will have a different stance in this.
I played Shinovi Versus and Estival Versus mostly because of gameplay and story and I did not bother to unlock all the other pervy extras the game has. Am I playing it wrong then ?
I also keep Bon Appetit installed on the Vita because it's a competent rhythm game regardless of the fan service (especially because it gets old). And I know of others who do the same since the rhythm game is very beginner friendly.
I probably would have played more of PBS if I had the time because I really liked the mechanics and the few MP matches I did were a lot of fun. I still take issue with one special mechanic in this game that is for titilation, but that small part doesn't prevent me to enjoy the game as a whole.
To you, those games are purely fan service. No issue with that. To others, there's more than just T&A.
Read above. Doesn't have to be solely for story. Sometimes the games are just fun.
So that being said...why these games over games that are dramatically superior over them?
Like, Why not splatoon over PBS? Why not Dragon Quest Builders or Hyrule Warriors over the musou titles? Why not Mother Russia Bleeds or Fight'n'Rage? If you're looking for a rhythm game, why not Project X Diva?
Like, maybe it's just because people are being laser focused on Senran Kagura, in the other thread it is the subject after all, but the common thread seems to be that people recognize that these games aren't very good, there's MUCH better out there. So why return to this series that's just...in every form except for fanservice, stagnating?
I don't think Fire Emblem, Persona, Legend of Heroes or Xenoblade 2 (only games I've played of this list) are anywhere near as bad as what I've heard about Senran Kagura. I have my issues with them, but when it comes to talk of banning I don't think they're in the same ballpark.
wait what, help me get up to date, did Era banned Senran Kagura??
No. And for what it's worth, even with all I've said, I don't think we should either.
But we shouldn't handwave off the fact that the main draw for the game is the sexualization and objectification of 15 year old girls.
Why enjoy anything if someone else considers it trash, in that case? I enjoy *so much* (purely subjective) trash, and I have no reason to justify it. I just enjoy it. Nothing wrong with that.
I'm starting to think you have only played EV and judging the entire series taking the game as a base.
I feel like this post was meant to defend Senran Kagura, but it actually ends up pointing out The Problem with anime-styled games.
You guys do know the title of this thread is "Why women criticize sexualized character designs" and not "Why women think all sexualized games should be banned" right? Because the lot of you coming in here to defend you games from banning and censorship is annoying, tiring, and exhausting.
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Shhhh, they'll not see the irony.
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Shhhh, they'll not see the irony.
didnt some actually made a thread close to this s few days ago?
Since it's a decision that would take effect in the full forum, i think it's fair
"Developers shouldn't use women's sex appeal to sell games", still different from calling a ban.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/developers-shouldnt-use-womens-sex-appeal-to-sell-games.19117/
Because...we have that much power...how exactly? Isn't there a thread about this very topic already?
aint the rules about what content (game is permissible) married to the game in question (any game) ERSB ratting??
well, yeah, any forum lives and dies by its users, why do you think GAF died? . if ERA were to do something that alienates its users and they leave on mass, the forum will not survive.
It was neither an attack nor a defense. Merely a question on where lines are being drawn in regards to what can be discussed.
You know, it's not something i'm exactly complaining about, but yes, i think the female community in era have such Power.
There's also other issues worthy of discussion, such as the predominant generalizations, but i want to find the time and words to make a thread about that, probably asking a mod for advice, since i don't want to fall in the same mistakes i did before in this thread
As far as I know, the banned game list that Gaf used included 3 or 4 M rated games.
one last comment before dropping the topic cause I think is derailing.
we have the Thread "Next Q&ERA! Submit your questions for Chucklefish (Stardew Valley, Starbound, Wargroove, Spellbound)"
I feel it would help is there were a similar but regarding moderation, and where the lines are drawn.
unless that thread already exist and im just highly stupid
I mean marketed towards women writ large, marketed primarily towards them, not primarily towards men.
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The biggest problem with all the SK discussion so far is that it's basically trying to shut down conversation about its problematic elements in a thread that is about criticizing the problematic elements of games that feature objectification and sexualization of female characters. Even in threads where it is not specifically "the point", people should be allowed to raise criticisms of these issues and not be shouted at and dogpiled for expressing their discontent. Problematic games are allowed to evoke any reaction or response, and as long as the discussion is civil, criticism of those problems should absolutely be allowed, and those making the criticisms respected.
So... maybe take some time to reflect on why people are making these criticisms, rather than getting angry that they don't like a game that you like.
Again, the women of ERA have this power to ban all discussion of SK again how exactly? I didn't know people were being banned for daring to discuss it.
That's fascinating news to me. I wonder how they achieved such power over the mods...
Problem with the MH sets (for what I saw in the videos, I did a male character) it's that a lot of female sets are fully covered minus the thigh area, something that obviously the male sets doesn't. Feels so unnecesary. The starter set is an example and a lof of sets does the same mistake.
Pretty much all japanese media are influenced by anime/manga because of it's creators, and that includes games being with an japanese artstyle (what you guys call anime, even if it's not based in one) or not.
what does exactly the rules say about OT?? like, should those topic being brought in a new trailer Thread or something or should a new thread being made for it???
I know that Xenoblade Thread it became such a recurrent topic (no matter what the thread were about whether gifs, blades, spoiler, gameplay) that when we got to the OT. it basically outlawed to bring out that in the thread
Alternatively, anime games come up very often in a discussion about sexualised female character design because there are lots of examples of sexualised female character design in anime games? It's not like JRPGs etc are an uncommon discussion topic on Era, most people here criticise 'anime' games because they play at least some of them.
Those games are coming from a country that is way more sexuality liberated in their entertainment and media, yet at the same time quiet tame in their actual dealings with sex irl. So what is the actual problem? Is Western society too fucked for that type of media?
And there's always going to be, let's be honest.. at least until we're alive because these things are normalized for decades and at the same time, gravure idols are also the same, just like Idols themselves.
Such things don't get backlash in Japan or even when it gets, it rarely changes. For example, Yuragi no Yuna-san (From Shounen Jump, the biggest manga magazine from one of the biggest publishers of Japan which is Shueisha) had a color page that it was viewed by parents in Japan of something that it was too much but after the response of the editorial and lawyers, it pretty much died. Something almost similar happened in the 70s when Go Nagai had one of his first manga that created and established the romcom and ecchi but it was too more big because it was the first time in a different decade.
A country that's so sexually liberated that all their porn is still censored.
you mean the same country that censor actual nudity in their games? (not talking about porn games, but regular games).
He's not wrong. In the different media in Japan that's true. He even said that in real life it isn't the same. (even if you can see a bunch of young people in Kabukicho, bars and clubs but yeah, in general it's more tame)
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