Discussion in 'Video Games' started by Persephone, Nov 7, 2017.
Kinda sad to see how SNK is treating this game considering how they had some of the most elegant and respectful designs for women characters in the 90s:
Of course, there were things like their clothes being ripped off when they lost in the early KOF games but let's focus on the fact that they are not wearing bikinis and have bodies with normal proportions.
This picture above is heartbreaking, lol. And no one thought those designs were prudish or anything, they were well liked.
Of course criticise it if you don't like it.
I say this as someone not even remotely interested in the game. I don't like the new designs. I don't like how uncomfortable all the girls look in the game. As long as SNK keeps this stuff in a spin-off it's fine.
Left is MK9, right is MKX.
Frustrates the hell out of me how much certain aspects of game media have regressed in the past ten or twenty years. And so far it looks like it's getting worse, not better.
Right, that interview about SNK Heroines set me right off. Here's what I had to say in the topic about it.
It'd be even better if they weren't sexualized, sure, but if they're going to... Own up to it.
Ya'll gonna be ashamed of your words and deeds.
There in nothing wrong with sexualisation in media. Lust is created by imagination and for that reason it is the strongest impetus for media in general. To adore the anatomy of the human body is natural an nothing wrong. Some of the greatest books and films wouldn't have been made without this impetus. Think of it.
Also lol at condescending comments like "think of it" from someone who's cripplingly unequipped to discuss the topic, let alone look down on people who've doing it for months.
Women want to be able to see themselves represented in media, games especially, without them being designed with the male gaze in mind, and that's REALLY hard right now, especially with Japanese games (Western game devs are starting to catch on, thankfully). That's all. I don't think that's really that big an ask, and hell, I want it too.
Unless you're trying to make the obvious pun that it's literally an "object", in which case congratulations, I guess?
L'Age d'Or and more Zombie Strippers...
Im definitely guilty of doing that earlier in the thread and I hate that. I dont like how I handled myself a couple of months ago, and I try to not write in a sarcastic or smug tone constantly. But Weltall Zero has consistently done this, and it hurts his position greatly.
"Bad netiquette" is coming into a thread without reading any of it and acting like you know more than everyone else who's already posting in it.
1. Why does no one just quote my post instead of posting in the thread? I wont get your notification if you do that.
2.Yeah, that was dumb. Dont immediately go on the attack like that! I mean the thread dosent really get going till like page 30, so I can understand if someone just skims the OP and makes what they feel will be a strong argument. I you feel they are wrong, correct them on some things and see if you can come to a similar conclusion, but dont respond to people with that kind of shitty, smug tone (not you, Weltall Zero), it does no one any favors.
You know there were experiments with rats in the 1950s by James Olds. Even while suffering hunger these rats prefered to have sexual stimulation leading to death. Just accept there is a natural reward system thousand times more powerful than any lootbox system.
HypedBeast I want to agree with you but Kriegshand is clearly not arguing in good faith. The man's bringing up ancient studies about rats in talking about fucking representation in video games.
Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Unless you're contending the only reason to have female characters is for the sake of the sexual gaze of the audience. In which case, get out.
Why does it always come down to "you want better representation for women in video games ergo you're a prude who hates T&A"?
Let’s discuss the image you’ve posted here in the context of this thread. Boobplate aside, would a male adventurer pair a skintight, figure-hugging breastplate with no padding beneath, apparently also designed to disembowell the groin, with a pair of shorts? Why is the cloak longer than her legs? There’s a trip hazard if ever I saw one! Assuming that the idea is that the sword has it’s point in the ground, I’m not sure how she can swing it’s giant arcs without getting it trapped in the giant cloak apparently chosen for warmth while also picking the miniskirt+1 from the elven armoury. At least the body parts look roughly in proportion, although I question how effectively she’s going to use a sword with a grip wider than her wrist. With regard to the boobplate, it’s obviously ridiculous and deliberately confuses armour with a corset, but I do like the wreath/plant detail that presumably has some connection to the green material, forest background and similar design on her leather vambrace.
Presumably there’s a reason for the Fleur-de-lys headband, but it’s a shame none of the detail elements are carried through onto her generic-fantasy sword that she’s wielding like a pole in need of a dancer. Would a male adventurer choose this pose? If not, why not? I feel like male adventurers with greatswords tend to be depicted with it either about to decapitate someone or balanced stoically on their shoulder rather than have their thigh caressing it.
It’s a nice painting, I like it as a lifelong fan of fantasy stuff, but it would be nice to see women in games treated like heroic adventurers and equipped as such rather than just pin-ups designed to titillate first and offer information about the character/world second.
You guys realize HypedBeast is a concern troll whose only contribution to this thread has ever been constant tone policing, right? Just put him on ignore, report him if you want, and move on; stop feeding him.
On a side note, it's never not creepy to click that "show ignored content" button to see what everyone is replying to and realize he's still obsessed with me. :S
Anyway, I don't think it's on the marginalized or those arguing in their favor to be nice all the time to everyone forever. I think that's kind of a shitty demand to make, in fact.
And FWIW it's not so much what that person said. It's how they said it. I mean, what they said comes from a position of ignorance, but the way they presented that ignorance makes it seem willful. A condescending "I know better than you why are you so upset" attitude does nothing to earn a respectful response.
Comparing people to rats is strange. We are not rats, nor have I seen people prioritize fucking someone when we're hungry.
What even is that post.
Are you simply trying to say people like to fuck? Because we certainly didn't need rat data to figure that out.
I accept that fan service games, and other games like them, exist. That doesn't mean I have to be happy about them, nor take part in the childish reverence and jubilation so many seem happy to provide them. It also doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to voice my distaste, and I'll continue to do so because I'm tired of them taking up so much of the industry's time. If nothing else, they distract far too greatly from conversations games and those around them could be talking about. But instead we're still here, caught up in just getting people to realize that there might be a problem.
If another fan service game never came into existence, I could say that I'd only be far more pleased than where we currently stand.
Just started replaying Mass Effect 2 and mmmmm the female characters' outfits are so... nope. Miranda's spandex boob sock bodysuit, Jack's belt bra, Samara's cleavage... then of course there's the issues the series has as a whole with the Asari and that kind of shit. It's a shame because I love the game and this kind of nonsense is hampering my enjoyment of it.
Yeah pretty much i'd love to never talk about sexism again.
But you gotta talk about it to make it go away so people don't talk about it.
Not that it'll ever go completely away, but you know. Maybe it won't be so ever-fucking-present.
Replace sexism with any other problematic shit for giggles.
Let's cool it with the tone policing. If you have a problem with a user, provide an actionable report - but don't keep harping on it in the thread and derailing.
I think we need to start learning to ignore these interruptions, myself included. When someone that clearly doesn't understand or care for the difference between sexualization and sexuality wanders into the thread, I think engaging them is never going to be any more fruitful as trying to teach quantum physics to an average three year old that just wandered into the lecture hall.