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PhazonBlonde

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What job?
I cut the hair and the skirt to make easier to look how male-looking she is.
A rule of good character design is that a character should be recognizable even nude and without hair, maybe nude and without hair she would still be recognizable, but not girl-looking.
That's called editing it my friend.

Also you sound like one of those douches that say girls with short hair look like men
 

2+2=5

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I guess revising the facts to fit a narrative is natural when you have a name straight out of 1984!
As i said:
i cut the hair and the skirt to make easier to look how male-looking she is.
A rule of good character design is that a character should be recognizable even nude and without hair, maybe nude and without hair she would still be recognizable, but not girl-looking.
 

Xaszatm

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As i said:
i cut the hair and the skirt to make easier to look how male-looking she is.
A rule of good character design is that a character should be recognizable even nude and without hair, maybe nude and without hair she would still be recognizable, but not girl-looking.

...ok...then like every anime character would be unrecognizable with your description. What you are talking about is the silhouette. And, like...

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No, she definitely looks like a girl...
 

Biestmann

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Even if the design weren't traditionally feminine, who am I to question her gender? We need to get away from the mindset that if a person does not look a certain way, he or she is unfit to be part of one sex.
 

PhazonBlonde

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As i said:
i cut the hair and the skirt to make easier to look how male-looking she is.
A rule of good character design is that a character should be recognizable even nude and without hair, maybe nude and without hair she would still be recognizable, but not girl-looking.
also ITT a random dude explains design to me when i majored in illustration and design. How many anime characters would be recognizable without their hair? So many sexy anime girl type artists have tons of same face syndrome
 

Xaszatm

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Guys, I think I've found the holy grail of RPGs with horrible designs for its women. I mean what the fuck is this shit!?
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These games flew under my radar completely, Im guessing they bombed but what the fuck is even going on here!? Human bodies are not supposed to bend like that and also in that first pic Im pretty sure thats not how clothes work! Did that game on PS2 really launch with that box art? Thats gotta be the most defined set of nipples I have ever seen in any videogame box art released in the west if true.

Once again, my spine hurts looking at the picture.
 

Mesoian

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As i said:
i cut the hair and the skirt to make easier to look how male-looking she is.
A rule of good character design is that a character should be recognizable even nude and without hair, maybe nude and without hair she would still be recognizable, but not girl-looking.

No offense, but that's some dumb "gender is paramount above all else when it comes to design" shit. The same people who say that are the same ones that say all women need to be drawn like pinups because otherwise it confuses the viewer. It's why 90's animation was dominated by the same body type for every show regardless of demographic. Like, I like Bruce Timm a lot, his "every girl is a super model, every boy is a bodybuilder" style was everything and everywhere.
 

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As much as I hate Shining Resonance in general I can say that, in a vacuum, I actually do enjoy Tony Taka's designs if what youre looking for is sexy anime girls. BUT he definitely suffers from same face syndrome for sure. Clear example.

I mean sure. I like KHT's designs (they're neat and sexy0, but he fact that he draws everything as if they were suspended in jello is silly and celebrating someone's fashion designs as the crux for an entire TRILOGY...is stupid. There's a reason why those games were forgotten.
 

PhazonBlonde

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As much as I hate Shining Resonance in general I can say that, in a vacuum, I actually do enjoy Tony Taka's designs if what youre looking for is sexy anime girls. BUT he definitely suffers from same face syndrome for sure. Clear example.
But his is good design because they have big boobies and impossible measurements so we know they're women and men can jerk off to them without fear of being gay. *eyeroll*
 

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I don't really think she looks masculine, but even if she did, that'd be absolutely fine. I think there's merit in role models for young girls that happen to not conform to beauty standards.
 

AztecComplex

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I mean sure. I like KHT's designs (they're neat and sexy0, but he fact that he draws everything as if they were suspended in jello is silly and celebrating someone's fashion designs as the crux for an entire TRILOGY...is stupid. There's a reason why those games were forgotten.
I actually dont enjoy KHT's designs at all. They hurt my muscles form seeing them.

But what trilogy you speak of? Didnt the Magna Carta games stopped at number 2 on the X360?
 

Mesoian

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I actually dont enjoy KHT's designs at all. They hurt my muscles form seeing them.

But what trilogy you speak of? Didnt the Magna Carta games stopped at number 2 on the X360?

It actually is two games. War of Genesis was cancelled and I forgot that the first two of them are actually just ports of each other with story elements changed.
 

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Camelot is a different company than Monolith which always had this kind of thing in Xenogears,

Um, what? Xenogears doesn't have rampant sexualization that I can remember.

What job?
I cut the hair and the skirt to make easier to look how male-looking she is.

What the fuck, man. Come on.

I was reading an Octopath Traveller thread on Reddit, and, while it's a bit off-topic here, seeing as there's plenty of RPG character chat this is the kind of thing I really like to find when digging into a game world. Better a hundred npcs with hidden yet characterful (and occasionally very silly) backgrounds rather than a hundred scantily-clad titninjas.

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No I don't just have a fetish for poo-flinging peasants, you know what I mean! :D

I don't know, to me it seems kind of shi-*gets hit by brick*
 

AztecComplex

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But his is good design because they have big boobies and impossible measurements so we know they're women and men can jerk off to them without fear of being gay. *eyeroll*
Guilty as charged. I never said his designs belong in a museum. Just that they are aestheticlaly pleasing to the eye for sure but they all do look alike with exception of hair and boob sizes. And his Shining characters are as sugary, predictable, empty, stereotypical, and shallow on the inside as they're on the outside. Lowest Common Denominator fast food entertainment that pleases many and displeases just as many.
 

PhazonBlonde

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Guilty as charged. I never said his designs belong in a museum. Just that they are aestheticlaly pleasing to the eye for sure but they all do look alike with exception of hair and boob sizes. And his Shining characters are as sugary, predictable, empty, stereotypical, and shallow on the inside as they're on the outside. Lowest Common Denominator fast food entertainment that pleases many and displeases just as many.
Oh I'm making fun of the other poster 2+2 don't worry lol. I think Takas art is good as far as anime art goes, better than KHT by far and I like the color balances in his works, they're vibrant and charming. If what you want is sexy anime girls he's probably one of the best on that purely technical level i suppose
 

AztecComplex

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Oh I'm making fun of the other poster 2+2 don't worry lol. I think Takas art is good as far as anime art goes, better than KHT by far and I like the color balances in his works, they're vibrant and charming. If what you want is sexy anime girls he's probably one of the best on that purely technical level i suppose
FWIW I'd be totally behind the idea of Making the Shining series Great Again by taking them back to the designs and mechanics of the originals from Camelot. I can see how a Saturn or Genesis fan would be displeased at the current direction of this series which are unrecognizable.
 

2+2=5

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Let's see if i can make you understand what i mean, this is the old version
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in this she has no long hair, no boobs, no lopstick... and she still looks like a woman.
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having big boobs or looking like a model has nothing to do with this, you can try with every good design.

Remove everything from Zarya
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and she still looks like a girl.

You can try youself.
 

Redcrayon

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What job?
I cut the hair and the skirt to make easier to look how male-looking she is.
A rule of good character design is that a character should be recognizable even nude and without hair, maybe nude and without hair she would still be recognizable, but not girl-looking.
Bear in mind that one still doesn't always tell the whole story with animation. Here's another piece of promo art. Do you still think she doesn't look like a young woman?

I think it's good that she isn't a typical supermodel build, why would you do that as a role model for preteen girls? She has a more athletic, less exaggerated look and seems like she can do some damage with that sword.

She looks like she's designed as an adventurous sword-swinging heroine for very young girls first, that's cool.


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Weiss

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I mean, even if we're going with the narrative that the new She-Ra is androgynous looking, there are women who look like that.
 

PhazonBlonde

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Xenogeara didn't have sexual female designs, iirc. Being like 14 when I played it I can tell you there was a lot of yaoi because most the cast were pretty boys. There was a lot of artistic nudity but it wasn't sexual, just playing on the biblical themes; ya know adam and eve stuff


FWIW I'd be totally behind the idea of Making the Shining series Great Again by taking them back to the designs and mechanics of the originals from Camelot. I can see how a Saturn or Genesis fan would be displeased at the current direction of this series which are unrecognizable.
I mean I'd be down with Takas art if they just made a cool game with no dating sim stuff and less overtly sexualized.
 

Xaszatm

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Let's see if i can make you understand what i mean, this is the old version
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in this she has no long hair, no boobs, no lopstick... and she still looks like a woman.
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having big boobs or looking like a model has nothing to do with this, you can try with every good design.

Remove everything from Zarya
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and she still looks like a girl.

You can try youself.
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Girl on the right. That's the same girl. She clearly has the "feminine body shape" you want. As for the picture of She-Ra? Maybe because is fighting you DON'T wear form fitting attire that clings to your skin.
 

Laiza

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As i said:
i cut the hair and the skirt to make easier to look how male-looking she is.
A rule of good character design is that a character should be recognizable even nude and without hair, maybe nude and without hair she would still be recognizable, but not girl-looking.
At most you can say she looks androgynous, which is perfectly fine, because, guess what, kids look 100% androgynous before secondary sexual features develop! And even then, you cut off her hips which clearly match or approach the width of her shoulders, which is not something you'll see with masculine forms (especially not animated masculine forms).

Either way, your constant assertions are actually offensive to me and I must request you cool it with this essentialist bullshit.
 

PhazonBlonde

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Lol "hey guys look at this old pic i removed her lipstick and boobs and hair but i didn't remove her tons of eye makeup or fuck with her clearly heavily plucked eyebrows."

Also so what if she's more androgynous? Why does she have to be some sexy femme fatale it's a show for little girls for fucks sake
 

Weiss

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Yeah I mean she looks like a little kid in this version. She doesn't need cleavage and a breastplate.
 

Wulfram

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I think the reveal pic was a bit goofy, but she looks good in the other stuff. The pictures where she's in more civilian clothing look fine, this looks cool.

Not that my opinion is relevant anyway, I'm not exactly the demographic
 

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I have to say though, as someone who really enjoyed Xenoblade 2, even for all it's problems with a large portion of it's female characters, and having never played Xenoblade 1 before (nearly finished it) some of the armor options for the female cast is absolutely ridiculous and embarrassing. Like, ho-ly shit. It's honestly worse than Xenoblade 2 (imo) in that regard. Both games have great female characters, that are just heavily conflicted by their designs.
 

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It looks like she's wearing armor over her torso (?) so that's why these idiots are getting upset over a non-sexualied teenager.
 

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Actually this seems like a good time to ask, what is the difference between, say, He-Man and Barbie? Like that one pic on imgur that gets used to go "checkmate feminists" whenever the topic is brought up, where He-Man is depicted as exactly equivalent to sexualized depictions of women in media.

From what I understand with He-Man the idea is that I want to be him, built like a tank, handsome, and powerful, and the complaints when it comes to women is an issue of sexualization, that they're depicted as a man's ideal woman rather than for a female audience. Do I have that right?

Basically I understand that it's a false equivalence, but I lack the understanding why to argue against it, since on the surface they seem similar.
 

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hmm yeah... not my favourite outfit (mostly the shoulders pads and dorky new crown), but she looks a lot more fun than the barbie doll version of the 80s. Def better in most other aspects.

Hopefully the more simple design means she animates well.
 
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Redcrayon

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It looks like she's wearing armor over her torso (?) so that's why these idiots are getting upset over a non-sexualied teenager.
Probably because that armour is a normal breastplate that a young princess with a liking for melee combat might wear and not bloody metal boobcups to show off the cleavage.
 

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Um, what? Xenogears doesn't have rampant sexualization that I can remember.



What the fuck, man. Come on.



I don't know, to me it seems kind of shi-*gets hit by brick*

Maybe it was Xenosaga? I only know those two franchises by video and images since I never played them. The one that I was talking about had Kosmos on it so it's probably Xenosaga.
 

Tfritz

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Xenogeara didn't have sexual female designs, iirc. Being like 14 when I played it I can tell you there was a lot of yaoi because most the cast were pretty boys. There was a lot of artistic nudity but it wasn't sexual, just playing on the biblical themes; ya know adam and eve stuff
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I mean, this is the Official Uniform of a High Ranking Special Forces Military Commander.
 

Redcrayon

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Actually this seems like a good time to ask, what is the difference between, say, He-Man and Barbie? Like that one pic on imgur that gets used to go "checkmate feminists" whenever the topic is brought up, where He-Man is depicted as exactly equivalent to sexualized depictions of women in media.

From what I understand with He-Man the idea is that I want to be him, built like a tank, handsome, and powerful, and the complaints when it comes to women is an issue of sexualization, that they're depicted as a man's ideal woman rather than for a female audience. Do I have that right?

Basically I understand that it's a false equivalence, but I lack the understanding why to argue against it, since on the surface they seem similar.
You're on the right track.

Plus I'm no expert but I don't think many women find magic furry sweaty underwear that probably hasn't seen Castle Grayskull's laundry room in several years that appealing :D
 

PhazonBlonde

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Actually this seems like a good time to ask, what is the difference between, say, He-Man and Barbie? Like that one pic on imgur that gets used to go "checkmate feminists" whenever the topic is brought up, where He-Man is depicted as exactly equivalent to sexualized depictions of women in media.

From what I understand with He-Man the idea is that I want to be him, built like a tank, handsome, and powerful, and the complaints when it comes to women is an issue of sexualization, that they're depicted as a man's ideal woman rather than for a female audience. Do I have that right?

Basically I understand that it's a false equivalence, but I lack the understanding why to argue against it, since on the surface they seem similar.


You've got that exactly right. Very few women are flicking the bean thinking about He Man. That's coming from the perspective of a man and He-Man is a power fantasy for men. Also what even gay men are attracted to is somewhat different from straight/bi women most the time. He-Man might be a thing for gay men, but not straight women. Women aren't as obsessed with guys having huge muscles.

It comes up in these type of threads often on the old site or here. Men will trot out Kratos as an example of something designed to titilate a female viewer. No girl thinks Kratos is hot.

If you want to see male characters specifically designed to titliate women, the clearest example I can think of is Free! the anime about a boys swimming club.

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Notice how they're not body builders? also they're not literally dressed like that all the time.

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They're more often dressed like that in their uniforms.
 

Redcrayon

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I mean, this is the Official Uniform of a High Ranking Special Forces Military Commander.
This reminds me of a lot of female officers/fighter pilots from sci-fi programmes I watched as a kid like Buck Rogers, UFO or Space 1999, where it's often very pretty young women in very flattering outfits looking like they are about ten minutes away from heading out to the dancefloor. Eye-candy, basically.
 
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