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Will Borderlands 3 save us from shallow games like Fallout 76?
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Definitely, people just grabs pitchfork because Pitchford, which i understand, but there's a depth on 2 especially Pre Sequel. I haven't played 76 so I can't say anything about that
Didn't Borderlands suffer multiple rounds of nerfs/re-works to certain builds that were 'too effective'?
I know several guns were nerfed post-release, such as the Conference Call and the like.
Either way, Borderlands doesn't really strike me as being 'deep' in its gameplay choices and the like - the talent trees have enough overlap that you can partially spec into another tree after fully decking out one of the 3 choices, and for some of the classes, the 3 trees aren't really THAT different.
To be fair, there are a few shields and guns that do drastically alter builds, but from what I remember it wasn't THAT differentiating.
Maybe I'll be surprised by Borderlands 3, but I'm not especially holding my breath waiting for it.
I know several guns were nerfed post-release, such as the Conference Call and the like.
Either way, Borderlands doesn't really strike me as being 'deep' in its gameplay choices and the like - the talent trees have enough overlap that you can partially spec into another tree after fully decking out one of the 3 choices, and for some of the classes, the 3 trees aren't really THAT different.
To be fair, there are a few shields and guns that do drastically alter builds, but from what I remember it wasn't THAT differentiating.
Maybe I'll be surprised by Borderlands 3, but I'm not especially holding my breath waiting for it.
Some mistake the aesthetic and junior high writing for a lack of depth. I think the writing team was very poor for the most part despite the occasional chuckle, and the game's engine boarders on terrible, but the actual systems ... well I cannot think of another 360 to ps4 AAA gamethat comes close to offering the depth....Diablo I guess?
His criticism has merits though especially regarding playstyle. Borderlands 2 and PS have actually variety in playstyle, on each class even. It's due to Bungie's need to juggle between PVE and PVP balance while Borderlands wasnt balanced.
The franchaise director and lead designer left after B2, right around the time they were deciding to go Overwatch and I doubt they will have found anyone as talented as that guy. He built the franchaise.
You really need two full playthroughs to get to the point where you need to engage with the systems, and then you need one more playthrough to get to the end game. That is a big ask, and a pretty big flaw, but it doesnt mean the depth isnt there.
As someone who isn't really in the genre, I ended having a lot of fun with Borderlands 2 and played way more than I should have, both solo and with a friend. Yes it did have bullet sponge enemies and some bad quest design, but the gameplay loop, loot and different playstyles with different builds were enough to keep it in "playing a little to pass the time" category.
But with the current GaaS and loot box climate, I don't have any good expectations for the next one. It will seriously compromise the parts that I did like and all we will have left are the bad joke attempts and repetitive gameplay. 2K can't have really have a "pay only once and keep getting good loot" game with just traditional DLCs - that were actually pretty good in the second one. And that's without even considering the missing original talent.
But with the current GaaS and loot box climate, I don't have any good expectations for the next one. It will seriously compromise the parts that I did like and all we will have left are the bad joke attempts and repetitive gameplay. 2K can't have really have a "pay only once and keep getting good loot" game with just traditional DLCs - that were actually pretty good in the second one. And that's without even considering the missing original talent.
I thinks dev's are kind of on the money with games like Destiny. It's intended as a multiplayer game, why waste money developing deep story content that will likely be glossed over due to the nature of playing with others? There are plenty of single player games out there that aren't shallow. It's fine to target a different demographic.
I do think it's a shame when mp character's are so well developed that they're just dying for sp content, like Overwatch.
I do think it's a shame when mp character's are so well developed that they're just dying for sp content, like Overwatch.
I mean, that's a completely different topic altogether? Both franchises have suffered from bullet sponginess to different degrees over the years. I'm not sure many people would argue Borderlands has the better shooting mechanics but that's not really what I was talking about at all.
Plus borderlands is only good for two weeks before everyone is running around with God tier dupes.
Man with the quality of games being released over the last two years, gaming sure needs saving huh
I think the biggest nerf was The Bee (Amp in general), CC is still a decent weapon, but the amp damage from The Bee was way over the top, CC was just one of the good weapons to use it (or any shotgun for that matter), but Sandhawk and Unkept Harold were just as bad, it was ruining coop for everyone on how easy everything was, the rest was exploits / bugs / glitches fixes, problem is that I think they decided to balance UTVHM and OP levels around that shield and those exploits, but then they nerfed them too, so while bullet sponges were not that bad at first, it became a serious problem on higher difficulties, relying on amp + making mandatory the use of Slag.
Balancing was a real problem on BL2 but they hit the sweet spot on TPS.
That's what really suck for me, I hate Bungie as developers but I think Destiny is a decent enough IP(The real final versions: Taken King & Forsaken ), they went a bit more crazy on exotics on 2 but it is still not enough for me, and PVP is ofc to blame for this, they should just separate gear for both sides because it honestly does more hard than good for both PVP and PVE, it hinders what they can do with weapons and powers.
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It's hard to tell how borderlands 3 will be until it releases. Because 2 came out prior to companies pushing for micro transactions as hard as they were.
Borderlands 2 already has a solid system they could exploit for microtransactions with the lottery machines you can use in game money to roll and get some customization options and a few weapons. If they remove the grenade option that is just punishment and you always get something out of going for it, allow you to get the currency for this in game but also let you pay real money for it?
Forget about it.
Borderlands 2 already has a solid system they could exploit for microtransactions with the lottery machines you can use in game money to roll and get some customization options and a few weapons. If they remove the grenade option that is just punishment and you always get something out of going for it, allow you to get the currency for this in game but also let you pay real money for it?
Forget about it.
I love the Borderlands as much as the next person, but with the way 2K has been making statements on making micro-transactions as a core part of their game models, I'm pretty cautious with the future of that franchise.
Real money slot machines for stupid virtual guns? Yeah, I wouldnt touch that with my addictive personality.
Naw, talent and hard work. Maybe Potchford getting that team together was a fluke though.
I enjoyed Borderlands 1 and 2 much more than I enjoyed Destiny, but they're much shallower games than Destiny is. Not sure how you came to the opposite conclusion.
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Fallout 76 barely has any real quests, it's so far only go there to read this audio log, defend that place etc. It's an empty boring world with no NPCs, the loot system sucks because there's barely any loot to be found. I traversed hours and only so far found the same boring rifles and scrap I got in the last 5 buildings I went into, the game doesn't encourage exploration. It's basically Fallout without the content, it's like the quests are auto generated.
As for Destiny, it needed dozens of expansions and a sequel to get things right.
As for Destiny, it needed dozens of expansions and a sequel to get things right.
OP you do know Borderlands is really called Boredomlands? Just because it has content doesn't mean it's fun.
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Fucking burned. Amazing. The clever person of our generation.
I have a strong feeling you made this thread on bad faith. While yes there's a lot off things Fallout 76 does not have, that doesn't mean that it's for you. I tried the beta and had fun and that was a part of the lorebuilding.
Also if we're just gonna boil things down to that level, borderlands has guns that are essentially the same with things slighty different as flavortext. Questing is similar, go shoot that go fetch that.
Borderlands is one of the shallowest FPS games I have ever played... in fact it is the first time I encountered "loot" in an FPS
Destiny 2 in its current state is probably better than whatever Borderlands 3 will be.
What do these two things have to do with each other?
You know what you're doing.
Destiny had things right when TTK hit Destiny 1, and when Forsaken hit Destiny 2. It didn't take a sequel to get things right.
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LOL at calling Borderlands "shallow." The builds you could do, specifically in 2, were anything but.
Certainly deeper than Destiny (1 and 2 Vanilla).
Certainly deeper than Destiny (1 and 2 Vanilla).
i probably missed the borderlands boat. I tried it for the first time a year or so ago, as i have them from games with gold on xbox. I couldn't stand it. The controls were bad. I hated the artstyle. I tolerated the game for i think 2 hrs. never tried it again
if u are a new player. Destiny 2 is full of content.
the first year of a destiny game is a rough one. But after that there is things to do
if u are a new player. Destiny 2 is full of content.
the first year of a destiny game is a rough one. But after that there is things to do
If Borderlands 3 is more of the same and doesn't take a lot from games that have come out since BL2, Gearbox is really missing the point.
I sure hope so. I loved Borderlands and Borderlands 2.
I hope it won't force online play or co-op. Fallout is one of my absolute favourite series, but I don't want to play online in a social capacity.
I hope it won't force online play or co-op. Fallout is one of my absolute favourite series, but I don't want to play online in a social capacity.
Exactly. I never let hate affect me.
Borderlands 2 was insanely popular and the game is hardly shallow.
That being said, my favorite looter franchise of the generation goes to The Division. I'm hyped as hell for the second game (and most likely going to pick it over Anthem).
I'd much rather Borderlands 3 be more of the same than have it turn into some Destiny clone with that pseudo-mmo garbage.
I have no doubt that microtransactions will ruin Borderlands 3.
If they stick with the DLC model from Borderlands 1 and 2, it'll be a miracle.
The key system in Borderlands 2 was easy enough to ignore but I have a feeling that microtransactions will be ingrained within the core design of Borderlands 3.
Unlocking unique looks and gear by playing the game and completing challenges? A thing of the past.
If they stick with the DLC model from Borderlands 1 and 2, it'll be a miracle.
The key system in Borderlands 2 was easy enough to ignore but I have a feeling that microtransactions will be ingrained within the core design of Borderlands 3.
Unlocking unique looks and gear by playing the game and completing challenges? A thing of the past.
Borderlands is shallow and not the kind of game we should look up to for non shallow game/ good fallout.
New Vegas showed us the way years ago and we all screamed "bugs! "
And now we clap for crap like Fallout 76
New Vegas showed us the way years ago and we all screamed "bugs! "
And now we clap for crap like Fallout 76
