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I opened a similar thread a while ago here about the possibility of EA becoming more focus to mobile bringing most of their franchises there and leaving 1-2 console games, and it was immediately closed despite i do feel that's pretty much already happening.

Though it has to be said, They're making way more money than you'd expect even from all their long list of recent massive disappointments.
 

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Are you going to attempt to correct us or just gonna continue to be snarky about it?

The studio behind FIFA and NHL has 1000 employees, they are in Canada, add to that FIFA license, every major league license is separate from FIFA, starting this year they added UEFA license and other minor leagues + the cost of development for 1 year + marketing cost ( having Ronaldo is costly) + all the mocap for the biggest players.

Now, if you still think FIFA budget is not "AAA" youa re just trolling at this point.
 

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But did Battlefront II, Battlefield 1 & 5 and The Sims 4 not make money?

Don't know how well Need for Speed Payback and Mass Effect Andromeda did too.

These are their non-sports AAA games. Besides games like Unravel, A Way Out, Fe and Sea of Solitude. And the remaster of Burnout:Paradise in the last 3 years.
They mentioned Mass Effect Andromeda positiverly in at least 2 EA Investor reports so it did make money.
 

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Competition is literally legally forbidden against their sports games so long as current agreements are extended, so why would they back out? They seem to have increasing difficulty competing with the IP they actually own (Mass Effect, Mirror's Edge, Titanfall, Battlefield have all had sales letdowns) but they're going to keep having rights to licensed products with shit loads of microtransactions. Their publishing is never going to be as good as last gen, and they're not even going to attempt that. But Madden, FIFA, etc. aren't going anywhere. Star Wars is weird because they paid for the rights but then they have to foot the bill on every cancelled game. Maybe Disney changes their approach in a few years.
 
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OP went from "but they're losing money" to "but Battlefield performed under expectations" (which isnt losing money) in less than two pages.

Good point, but wasn't that low by their standards. Im not trying to move the goal post or anything but i know sales expectations were higher for this series. Thanks for the link, i looked at vg chartz and it said 4.8 mill but i guess it wasn't updated info
 

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I opened a similar thread a while ago here about the possibility of EA becoming more focus to mobile bringing most of their franchises there and leaving 1-2 console games, and it was immediately closed despite i do feel that's pretty much already happening.

Though it has to be said, They're making way more money than you'd expect even from all their long list of recent massive disappointments.
1-2 console games? What the hell are you talking about?

Good point, but wasn't that low by their standards. Im not trying to move the goal post or anything but i know sales expectations were higher for this series. Thanks for the link, i looked at vg chartz and it said 4.8 mill but i guess it wasn't updated info
1. Don't use VGChartz
2. Why does one game underperforming mean that they are stepping away from AAA? It makes no sense.
 

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Good point, but wasn't that low by their standards. Im not trying to move the goal post or anything but i know sales expectations were higher for this series. Thanks for the link, i looked at vg chartz and it said 4.8 mill but i guess it wasn't updated info

They expected 9 million, they did 7 million.
It didn't met the expectations, but still, BF2 made a fuckton of money.
 

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Good point, but wasn't that low by their standards. Im not trying to move the goal post or anything but i know sales expectations were higher for this series. Thanks for the link, i looked at vg chartz and it said 4.8 mill but i guess it wasn't updated info
VG charts isn't allowed to be used for figures here cus it's so inaccurate
 

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You all have lost your marbles. The second biggest third party publisher, miles ahead of number 3 and 4, after one of the best financial runs in company history are about to leave the business? Okay.
 

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They aren't leaving the AAA business as Battlefield, FIFA, Madden, etc... are all considered AAA and likely there most profitable titles.

That said, I could see them continue to shy away from single player games and continue to adopt more of a games as a service approach where they can continue to monetize their games. Actually, I think they already have and it's shown by the titles they are outputting, canceling, etc...
 

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Yeah I do like the game too (partly cause it's finally back on PC), but I wish they'd make some serious advancements in the game

Oh definitely. I'd blame Ultimate Team but they were hardly upgrading things for years prior to that.

Good point, but wasn't that low by their standards. Im not trying to move the goal post or anything but i know sales expectations were higher for this series. Thanks for the link, i looked at vg chartz and it said 4.8 mill but i guess it wasn't updated info

vgchartz isn't reliable, and while 7 million missed their 10 million target that's still a helluva lot considering the controversy. Missing goals doesn't mean they're in trouble with money. They've been doing better than ever the past few years to the point where literally no one could buy Anthem and they'd still probably be fine for the foreseeable future.
 

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Nah, i could keep going. It doesn't raise any red flags to you that battlefield bombed this year? Or that other large titles like battlefront 2, or titanfall 2 failed to take off the way they were intended to? Im not talking about their sports catalogue, thats clearly alive and well, but i think there is a discussion to be had at the idea that these games arent pulling in numbers the way ea would have liked them to.

"Underperforming" for EA means "Battlefront 2 sold 9 million instead of 10 million". Yes they were disappointed by that, but that's hardly "We need to leave the business". It's like if Avengers End Game made 2 billion rather than 2.3 billion: They may change their approach slightly but beyond that, nothing. Add that to the billions they make on their sports titles and no, they're not going to leave the industry. Konami was a special case as they had very lucrative ventures outside of gaming.
 
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Nah, i could keep going. It doesn't raise any red flags to you that battlefield bombed this year? Or that other large titles like battlefront 2, or titanfall 2 failed to take off the way they were intended to? Im not talking about their sports catalogue, thats clearly alive and well, but i think there is a discussion to be had at the idea that these games arent pulling in numbers the way ea would have liked them to.
Even if SWBF2 had a rough launch, it still sold over nine million copies. Titanfall 2 also sold over five million last I checked. Even if both of these games missed their mark, for a billion dollar company like EA these don't significantly move the needle backwards.
 

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FIFA and Madden alone ensure that there is no reason this will happen anytime remotely soon. The rest is icing -- and how much or how little icing they bother applying to their money cake is up to them.
 

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Talk about an ERA bubble jesus christ

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Ubisoft games consistently sell the most every year and get little traction here. The bubble is very real.
 

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Mine was just a prediction though it is true that they significantly reduced the amount of console releases compared to 10-15 years ago.

I'm not saying it's a reality now but it could in the long term if this is the trend.
If you haven't noticed, this trend is happening to all studios. Games are costing more time and money to make.
 
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"Underperforming" for EA means "Battlefront 2 sold 9 million instead of 10 million". Yes they were disappointed by that, but that's hardly "We need to leave the business". It's like if Avengers End Game made 2 billion rather than 2.3 billion: They may change their approach slightly but beyond that, nothing. Add that to the billions they make on their sports titles and no, they're not going to leave the industry. Konami was a special case as they had very lucrative ventures outside of gaming.

I guess restructuring is more what I meant. I wish i had worded it differently in hine sight haha, but yeah i guess i mean maybe scale down those other triple a projects while they continued with their sports line. Not outright cancel them, but make them smaller and possibly less costly to produce
 

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It is absolutely incredible how people think EA is in some horrible place. Fucking hell, stop being so ignorant.
 

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Are you going to attempt to correct us or just gonna continue to be snarky about it?

Correct what? A purely speculative statement about games budgets that wasn't backed up by any sort of meaningful evidence? If you are going to claim that EA spends less in FIFA/Madden than they do their more traditional games, the onus is on you to prove it.
 

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You can criticize EA's creative decisions. But if you criticize their business decisions at least get the fact right.
 

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No, FIFA will always sell.

If anything, they might scale down if they keep having bomb releases, but they'll always be in the 3A business.
 

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Fuck, all you guys did not read the OP.

I could definitely see EA prioritise it's successful annual/service franchises in the next gen ahead of standalone AAA titles like Dragon Quest, OP.

Edit:Dragon Age smartasses
 

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But did Battlefront II, Battlefield 1 & 5 and The Sims 4 not make money?

People still trash on Sims 4 but I'm pretty sure it picked up some good legs in recent years. Last time I played the player count online seemed way higher than I remember from the early days lol

But yes, these games are still making money. They just aren't always the massive hits they were intended to be right out of the gate. Although Battlefield 1 was.
 

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They would probably be fine if they only published sports games. Probably still one of the largest publishers. But I don't think the stockholders would allow it.
 

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Even the "bombs" like Andromeda still made EA money. I'm pretty sure they mentioned it was profitable in one of there investor calls. Just not so much so that they were willing to continue investing in DLC and such or making a sequel at that time.

I think people often think games lost money, when in reality they did not.
 
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