Yeah we all know that if there's one thing Nintendo is bad at, it's making polished games.
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Will we ever get an SRPG with high production values?
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Yeah we all know that if there's one thing Nintendo is bad at, it's making polished games.
How long were previous Fire Emblem games versus Three Houses?
You have a game with 4 paths, each around 50 hours, a way of maximizing profits? All lines of dialogue are voiced - if they had gone back to Awakening's model of voice a few lines I'd believe you, but 3H is not budget, at all. They simply decided to invest that money in other things than graphics, which seems to be your only metric for production values.
Fire Emblem Three Houses looks a bit rough around the edges(literally) but it's absolutely high budget, especially in comparison to any other Japanese SRPGs. There's probably more VA for incidental dialogue than there are for entire games.
Also it looks pretty okay overall, nothing amazing but people are being way too harsh on it.
Also it looks pretty okay overall, nothing amazing but people are being way too harsh on it.
Yeah, I played Valkyria Chronicles 4 on Switch six months ago and I can't understand people saying that the game had a lot more budget.
I said Nintendo can afford to do better. Do you think Paradox or Larian makes more money than them? What figure do you think is too much for nintendo to afford?
Divinity is a console game too btw.
False, all the Nintendo EAD games look great. ACNH, Splatoon 2, Mario Odyssey, BOTW, MK8DX, ect....
Nintendo only publishes Fire Emblem games.
It's a genre when gameplay systems will always trump graphics, so budgets, no matter how high, will always be balanced accordingly.
Yeah I guess it doesnt matter that many of the online efforts of recent Nintendo games have had issues because nobody cares about online gaming.
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But Koei games have always been janky. If you compare TH to previous less budget heavy games you dont see that jankiness. I dont understand why IS took a hands off approach here. Do they intend to outsource it moving forward as well?
On more powerful consoles than Switch ...
We haven't seen how Original Sin 2 looks on Switch.
IS probably didn't had an engine ready to go for a big HD Fire Emblem game. Their previous HD game, Color Splash, was a totally different thing to FE.
Probably once their team gets more experience in HD development they won't depend as much on outsourcing, but in this time and age, to get the game out the door in a timely manner, getting external assistance is a must.
Games from previous generations had collision physics. Games on Switch have collision physics. Why exactly would that break the bank?
So Nintendo games are not "polished efforts". I wonder how a polished game is then.
I just started playing the game and it's already impressing me. The only thing I wish I could change is the text size, squinting a lot, other than that Divinity 2 is looking to be a ride.
See, the game uses an engine that is basically aimed to big battles with tons of enemies, low detail terrain and lots of pop-in. It's not a matter of polish or a matter of budget, it's a matter of collaboration with Tecmo-Koei, which has a bad tech reputation, because it was an available partner and they decided to work with them because of Nintendo Musou collaborations and a stablished relation with the company.
They delayed the game twice, but even so the engine is what it is and restarting the project was not a possibility after creating all the content.
Edit: Also we don't know what game are developing most of IS workers, it can be FE4 remake, it can be a new Paper Mario... it can be anything, so they decided to split the efforts between the two teams (most of IS and some IS working with Tecmo).
Awakening/Fates/Echoes already had a bunch of outsourcing.
Also Awakening characters didn't even have feet. Three Houses is already a much better foundation...
You could point to many before they started implementing online.
So they found a partner who could do it cheaply who would also cut back on other aspects people have come to expect from FE.
Square should do a remake of FF Tactics with the presentation of FFVII Remake but they won't.
XCOM 2 is as good as it's going to get this gen.
XCOM 2 is as good as it's going to get this gen.
I'd bet the inevitable XCOM 3 will take some steps forward in production.
But I think mass market appeal for SRPGs is always tied to the negative feelings toward random number generators. Despite being a pretty big source of ludo-narrative gameplay, folks really seem to dislike it, even when its hidden and padded as well as XCOM 2. I've seen so much conversation about the distaste for RNG, but FE:3Hs success is definitely throwing that for a loop. Really hope its success drives more games tho
But I think mass market appeal for SRPGs is always tied to the negative feelings toward random number generators. Despite being a pretty big source of ludo-narrative gameplay, folks really seem to dislike it, even when its hidden and padded as well as XCOM 2. I've seen so much conversation about the distaste for RNG, but FE:3Hs success is definitely throwing that for a loop. Really hope its success drives more games tho
It's absolutely an RPG. I'd actually say Xcom 2 fits his criteria pretty well. Amazing game too.
I don't think that people expected great graphics from FE. Sure, Echoes had a great presentation but it was a remake that had only a fraction of the content in 3H and really bad map design. The thing with 3H is that they focused the efforts on content and changing lots of mechanics from FE games. And the reception of the game has been great, the multiple routes and monastery exploration are praised and the fans are happier with this game that with the 3 3DS entries.
We will see how they take the praise and criticism, they sure know that the game looks ugly, so let's see if they decide to go the Fates route (with this I mean taking the base of 3H and polishing presentation and mechanics).
It's hard enough if you're hoping for high production turn-based JRPGs since those seem to only come out every year or two. When I played Lunar: Eternal Blue on the Sega CD in the mid-90's, it blew me away with its technology & budget. CD-quality sound! Anime cutscenes! Voice acting! In the PS2 era, we got more than a few big budget JRPGs, but it's really died down since then (with the occasional DQ11 being a nice surprise). And SRPGs are an even smaller niche than turn-based JRPGs.
Well OP, you'll be glad to hear that Fire Emblem: Three Houses is selling quite well so I do imagine the next FE game would be an improvement production wise :)
Honestly in terms of presentation the music and voice acting is already there, I think what we need is perhaps more stylized graphics so squeeze the most of the Switch and more anime cutscenes.
Honestly in terms of presentation the music and voice acting is already there, I think what we need is perhaps more stylized graphics so squeeze the most of the Switch and more anime cutscenes.
I don't know how much more stylized you can get without going chibi and solid colors. Koei Tecmo's games have never been lookers and FE suffers from the engine being optimized for other things