He gathered the whole MobileMe team in the Apple Auditorium to shame them then fired the chief on the spot.
He fired a women that he had just met in the elevator.
He wanted to layoff people at Pixar in the instant, without any prior notice.
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Wired does a Musk expose. It's not pretty.
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He gathered the whole MobileMe team in the Apple Auditorium to shame them then fired the chief on the spot.
He fired a women that he had just met in the elevator.
He wanted to layoff people at Pixar in the instant, without any prior notice.
It was a pocket PC from years ago (I had one, an HP iPaq, in 04) with the ability to make phone calls. The writing was on the wall. They were just the first ones to make a big push. The apple bootlicking is pathetic.
People aren't going to get what you're saying because an unthinking Capitalist mindset basically requires a great man theory of the history of technology.
Trying to downplay Apple's achievements because of the company they have become today is pathetic imo.
But downplaying their 90's failures because of the company they were in 2010 is ok, so long as it's done to deify being an asshole.
For you maybe, it was easier to use those phones, but this is where the mass market is important. You can't just ignore that it is the market leader here. For years, people for the iPhone to be the easiest phone to use. The iPhone was the only smartphone I could get non-technological persons to actually understand how to use. That is an incredibly important feat that should not be ignored. There was an actual tangible reason that it become the market leader that goes beyond Apply fanboyism. It was a truly great product that focused more on user experience than features at its infancy. Most phone OS's at that time were cumbersome to learn if you did not take the time to learn them, which is a non starter with the mass market.
Also, I've been pretty respectful to you, so I would really appreciate a more non-antagonistic approach if we continue this discussion.
No clue what one has to do with the other.
Also, I think you are implying that I downplayed Jobs´s failures.
I know you´re not a man of facts, but still, I never did.
This was from the 60 minutes interview: "I do not respect the SEC"
Side note: there is current contention around if this interview was edited to prove a point and Musk is disputing this by requesting the transcript be made public. That said, his body language change in this is quite hilarious.
Side note: there is current contention around if this interview was edited to prove a point and Musk is disputing this by requesting the transcript be made public. That said, his body language change in this is quite hilarious.
I have yet to read a story from a former Jobs employee who took his abuse who didn't also add that they knew he was only pushing them to be their absolute best. They often credit him for getting them to do more than they thought possible.
Musk just seems like he's often an asshole for the sake of being an asshole. Because he can.
Musk just seems like he's often an asshole for the sake of being an asshole. Because he can.
The fuck? How did you divine my intent or conception of what the company became? Did you think I was someone else or something? I've been a mac and PC user since the early 90s and I use apple products daily. I don't even know what you are implying or why. Whatever though. As for their actual achievements...
...Yeah they did sell a lot.
Go them.
Doesn't change the fact that you're are misrepresenting their actual contributions.
If you want to talk about marketing, ui design, and digital service models then yeah Apple has a lot to gloat about when it comes to the iphone. As for actual technology I find it hilarious that people confuse market saturation with innovation. They weren't the first in any of the things they were good at. Jobbs was a visionary and saw where the future was headed and went for it. I respect that. Doing something well doesn't rewrite the origin story though.
How experienced are you with early 2000s handheld tech anyway? Doesn't seem like much judging by your recent posts in this thread.
I was using a Blackberry before the iPhone came out.
And I had a Nokia Communicator at some point.
It is insane to me that people think that Apple just took what was there and put it in a nice package. That is simply not true.
The iPhone was lightyears ahead software wise. And the hardware was unmatched for years.
The difference in touchscreen quality alone with astounding at the time - far better than anything I had ever used.
And the UI based on touch was simply revolutionary.
I don´t use an iPhone BTW - just because I think this is where you are going next - I use a Huawei p20 lite and I love it.
There's not even contention, they flat out edited it to be extremely misleading:
https://electrek.co/2018/12/11/elon-musk-misleading-edit-tesla-interview-60-minutes/
TBH I'm not surprised. His entire backstory was fishy. A White South African who's family got rich off of Apartheid? The way that he treated his ex wife (With that entire "I"M THE ALPHA" bullshit)?
Like the writing was on the wall. I think people really wanted to see him as a good guy for what he was doing with electric cars, but even then, if he really cared about saving the environment he would have started with cheaper, consumer models that people could actually afford, and then supported programs to transition people from Gas to electric cars. Instead he just catered to rich people and sat on his millions.
Like the writing was on the wall. I think people really wanted to see him as a good guy for what he was doing with electric cars, but even then, if he really cared about saving the environment he would have started with cheaper, consumer models that people could actually afford, and then supported programs to transition people from Gas to electric cars. Instead he just catered to rich people and sat on his millions.
Oh I think Elon's treatment of his exwife is much worse than anything Jobs ever did.
Their competition is still years behind. We will see what products they release and in what quantities.
I don't think Tesla will ever become insignificant in this space, unless Musk implodes.
Yeah that's not how it works. The roadster payed for the model s. The model s and x payed for the model 3. The model 3 and y will pay for the eventual model 2... To do things the other way around the company would have been immediately bankrupt.... And the entirety of Detroit and the European Deisel Maphia would have jumped out of their chairs at the chance to proclaim "See! Nobody wants electric cars!"
Well the way he wouldn't shut up about how much money he had when he started the company had me thinking differently. I see what you mean though.
Woah, he's not even a fucking engineer, but he's in charge of all of this?
Money really is the great equalizer.
Tesla is arguably more of a tech company - in Silicon Valley - than a car company in Michigan. But regardless:
GM (Mary Barra) : 3.7, 72% recommend, 91% approve of CEO
Ford (Jim Hackett): 3.9, 76% recommend, 76% approve
Fiat Chrysler (Michael Manley): 3.2, 57% recommend, 78% approve
So still a lower overall rating than any of the Big 3, and only better than 1 on recommendation (by 3%), admittedly better than 2/3 on CEO approval (but only by 2 and 4%). Hardly a huge difference here.
If you're a software engineer, there's a ton of other companies out there. And if you're an automotive engineer, I won't deny that Tesla is more exciting than a legacy maker in Detroit, but once you do your research on the job environment, it's not as clear-cut as you'd expect it to be.
edit: my point is that, if Musk weren't such an asshole, his ratings (and Tesla's) would be much closer to the other SV tech giants, and way better than the Big 3. And with that I'd argue they'd be more successful than they have been up to this point. It's quite depressing seeing the missed potential there.
Are there any level headed, down to earth billionaires? Maybe there isn't because all of the high profile billionaires are still working when if someone level headed had that money they would be doing fuck all and enjoying life or volunteering their time and money for charitable causes.
You realize this is a he said, she said situation and until the transcript is released you can't say it was flat out edited. Just because Musk says it was doesn't make it true.
Bill Gates? Warren Buffet? George Soros? For the latter group. For the former, it's all the billionaires you never hear about who are quietly enjoying their billions in relative obscurity.
Musk is very much a Henry Ford figure, even down to his fanbase viewing him in a similar manner.
Reading biographies of Ford it's quite striking.
I mean they like to market themselves as such in that area to get software engineers but its an automotive company foremost.
True but as a software engineer who wants to be in the automotive industry Tesla is attractive. Certainly more than the traditional automotive companies.
If you want to work on EVs, the best place is Tesla. Without a doubt. And many young engineers see EVs as the future.
Gates was pretty cut throat in the early days of MS. He did after all push the whole "Embrace, extend, extinguish" philosophy.
^ Gates was pretty ruthless business-wise in the 90s, but my post was concerning modern day Gates.
True, that's my bias as a software engineer popping up.
The best place to be as a software engineer is at a tech company, and Tesla is one while the other makers aren't, so of course you'd rather be at Tesla. But there are other tech companies in the automotive industry that aren't makers most notably Google. (by tech company I mean a company where software engineers are valued as critical to building the company's core product).
True, that's my bias as a software engineer popping up.
The best place to be as a software engineer is at a tech company, and Tesla is one while the other makers aren't, so of course you'd rather be at Tesla. But there are other tech companies in the automotive industry that aren't makers most notably Google. (by tech company I mean a company where software engineers are valued as critical to building the company's core product).
Automative engineers see EV as the future, but that doesn't mean you need to work on EVs today to be relevant. None of my automative engineer friends work at Tesla or on EVs. They're aerodynamics engineers, industrial engineers in charge of factory lines, mechanical engineers designing parts such as car seats and suspensions. All of those jobs will still exist in an EV-led car industry.
The worst thing about Jobs is that people thought in order to be as successful as he was, you have to be a massive douche.
Electrek obtained the full transcript of the interview, if you read the article I linked you would know that.
Except they don't link to it for full reading? The interview I posted above felt oddly edited so I would like to read how it went from the chuckling to the sudden demeanor.
I wish Musk was less crazy, but I'm willing to accept it in exchange for him saving the earth. (And while he's not singlehandedly doing that or anything, he's clearly doing a lot of good, and we need everything right now.)
He's not saving anything. Buying an expensive EV does basically nothing for the environment.
Heck of a lot better than buying a standard gas car, no?
But, the big plus for the earth is the huge scale increase in manufacturing batteries, so they can be cheaper. That's super important for solar and wind energy.
The best solution is to ride a bike or walk. There's still a massive resource and energy cost to making a car. Somewhere I read it will take approximately a decade before the energy is paid back with your EV. Increasing solar and wind power have importance, but Musk is having a bunch smaller impact on that subject.
Not everyone can bike or walk.
And I think it's anywhere from 6 months to a year to lay back the emissions cost of making the car depending on how dirty the power grid is.
A car costing >$60K is very low on the list of sensible alternatives. Much better to buy either a plugin hybrid, or an EV with a small battery. And it's definitely multiple years or decade+ before you get the emissions for an EV with a huge battery.
The competition has very little incentive to go all-in on EV's the way Tesla is, because they make a LOT of money on ICE cars, which have matured for 100+ years into a very profitable business model.
"Why switch to blueberry pies when you're already making a killing on strawberry?" - the Koch brothers
When you look at most of the big company's EV offerings, they're either half-assed EPA/CARB compliance cars (Fiat 500e, BMW i3, Honda Clarity, Honda Fit EV come to mind) or half-assed plug-in hybrids. At least GM is trying with the Bolt and they killed the Volt to make room for further focus on EV's. But just know that their bread and butter for the time being is in big, gas guzzling trucks and SUV's. That shit sells.
There's a new generation of long-range EV's coming out from established brands like the Porsche Taycan, Hyuadai Kona, Kia Niro and Soul EV, BMW iX3 and i4, and from the new startups like Rivian, Lucid, and Bollinger. But NONE of these cars would be announced or fast-tracked if it wasn't for Tesla starting the mainstream-ization of long-range electric cars, by making it a product that's fashionable and desirable with a unique featureset, a noble MO, and of course led by an eccentric, polarizing, cult of personality CEO that gets people riled up. They really are the mid-00's Apple of cars lol
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https://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/electric-vehicles/life-cycle-ev-emissions
18 months at most in the US, as little as 6 months.
Did you saw the response Tesla sent to Jalopnik concerning the Wired story?
Full Jalopnik's article: https://jalopnik.com/working-at-tesla-means-being-in-an-abusive-relationship-1831072258
Tesla's statement:
Edit: I cannot wait to buy Tesla's first fully electric cyborg dragon.
Full Jalopnik's article: https://jalopnik.com/working-at-tesla-means-being-in-an-abusive-relationship-1831072258
Tesla's statement:
Edit: I cannot wait to buy Tesla's first fully electric cyborg dragon.
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