Apparently they don't as the PS4 and Xbox One versions of games that have mediocre frame rates sell and review very well.
The vast majority of consumers seem to prefer a cheaper barrier to entry and convenience over better performance and visuals.
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Witcher 3 frame pacing gives me a fucking headache
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Apparently they don't as the PS4 and Xbox One versions of games that have mediocre frame rates sell and review very well.
The vast majority of consumers seem to prefer a cheaper barrier to entry and convenience over better performance and visuals.
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I mean, over time the Witcher 3 sold better on PC than it did on either of the consoles. Pretty exceptional to be honest.
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I can't prove this is because of people like me wanting to play the game without having a fucking migrane but hey
The Witcher series has traditionally been a more PC-centric franchise.I mean, over time the Witcher 3 sold better on PC than it did on either of the consoles. Pretty exceptional to be honest.
The Witcher 3 PC vs PS4 vs Xbox One sale percentages revealed for 2015, 2016 and 2017
During its fiscal year 2017 financial presentation, CD Projekt RED’s Piotr Nielubowicz, revealed the sale percentages for The Witcher 3 per platform in the past three years. According to the graph, the PC version has surpassed each console version in 2016 and 2017. Surprisingly enough, in 2015...[EN] CD PROJEKT Group — FY2017 financial results conference
The CD PROJEKT Group summarizes its 2017 financial results. For more information please visit: https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/investors/result-center/ Presenta...
I can't prove this is because of people like me wanting to play the game without having a fucking migrane but hey
The first game was a PC exclusive and the second only had a later 360 port.
I doubt the game is even locked 30fps on a base PS4 in Novigrad or Crookback Bog. It sure as hell wasn't when the game first game out.
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If this was the reason, wouldn't console sales have ramped up over time instead of down as word of mouth spread about the game?
I don't know but it sure makes more sense than implying the PC version sold better because people were getting headaches with the consoles versions...
You mean to say the developers don't want to invest time optimizing a years-old game just because a small portion of people have issues with the performance mode's frame-timing? A mode only enabled by better-performing consoles that didn't exist at the game's launch? And it's possible to fully solve this issue, but you have to PAY in order to address an extremely particular annoyance that most people will never notice!?
Wow, what a bunch of bullshit. Move over EA, there's a new contender for Worst Company in Existence and its name is CDPR.
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They already made the patch. It's just that I think the decision to make the "performance mode" unlocked/variable 45-60 fps was a stupid one and defeats the purpose of having a performance mode in a patch to begin with. If they couldn't get 60 they should have left it at the 30fps/4k mode which while not perfect is a better experience. A "small portion of people have issues" is bullshit sorry. It runs like shit on that mode and that's a fact.'
It's not even really about CDPR- It's more about the greater trend overall of console games running like fucking shit and more console power just being used to make the game run like shit at higher resolution instead of smooth.
If you're going to make a performance mode it should be like DOOM 2016 or forza horizon 4- Locked 60fps.
There is a 4k30fps option though and believe or not there are plenty of people who prefer 40-60fps over locked 30. God of War 2018 had the exact same unlocked frame rate mode a lot of people on PS4 Pro happily used it.
I personally hate unstable frame rate but it's just an alternative, it's only bad when it's the only option (for example stuff like Kingdom Hearts 3 and LiS 2 on console). The reality is you're not getting locked 60fps in most cases on Jaguar CPUs.
It was a free patch made for consoles that came out years later. How much time and money do you expect them to put into getting perfect? I'm sure they fiddled around with a bit, realized "Well, we can unlock the framerate and the extra power boosts it up the mid-40s, anything else will take a lot of time" and called it a day. Which is fine for a free patch.
"This free feature isn't up to my personal standards so it shouldn't exist for anyone" is a little extreme, no?
Doom and Forza are very, very different types of games than the Witcher. This is like saying "Geometry Wars runs at 60 fps, why the hell can't Bethesda get Fallout 4 running at that framerate?" If it was easy they would have done it, but it's not and they're working on other projects. They went out of their way to provide a bonus feature for free and somehow you find that worth complaining about.
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I understand that Doom mostly takes place in small rooms and Forza is just cars as opposed to Withcer which takes place ina lush world filled with NPCs, foilage and beasts on a giant map but at the end of the day it's an action game where you hit things with a sword and games where you hit things with a sword are better at 60FPS.
Every day I look at bloodborne and shed a tear for what it would be if it didn't run like fucking ass with long as fuck loading screens
So the real issue here is the shitty CPU. Why did microsoft even bother with the ONE X.
Because it wasn't made solely to try and get The Witcher 3 running at 60fps?
What the fuck is this thread even still about?
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I don't know why it bothers you so bad that bad performances bothers me. I was just trying to hopefully find some kindred spirits frustrated that even with this gen's "powerful" consoles, console gaming can still be a miserable experience marred by awful frame pacing.
If you don't get headache or feel sick from inconsistent frame rates- lucky you! as for me, I have to play in short bursts or not at all if a game runs bad. It's pretty insensitive too to act like I'm some asshole because low frame rate games make me sick. It's not like I can help my bodies response.
Playing games with shitty inconsistant frame pacing literally makes me feel ill but have fun on that high horse king
The easiest solution for that is just playing at 30 locked, but you are clearly very much against it.
Which is what I was referring to.
I understand your frustration and yes, I'm lucky it doesn't physically me affect me like it does you and others but you're also kinda losing the plot here.
It would be fantastic if bad framepacing wasn't a thing at all but you can't go and start blaming MS for making a console that can't make every game run at perfect 60fps when that's not their job in the first place.
Could CDPR have made TW3 run at a perfect 60fps on X1X? Perhaps, if they had implemented dynamic res but most probably their engine didn't support it at the time and perhaps they didn't have the time or resources to add it to the engine, so they just unlocked the framerate and deemed it good enough for the majority of users. After all, not everyone notices or is even affected by it. I mean, if that weren't the case, Bloodborne would've been a flop and very few people would be singing it praise.
Sorry that it affects in such a way but it's also such an uncommon issue and so localized to a small fraction of players, that it's just not that big of a worry in the grand scheme of things.
Besides, you still have the option of running it at a stable 60fps on the PC you already own, so it's not really a lost case for you.
You can definitely run the witcher 3 on that system with mostly ultra at 1080p/60 fps easily and not only that but it will look better too. Just because monster hunter runs like shit, doesn't mean the witcher 3 is the same.
The frame pacing is significantly worse than that on PC. I didn't have the most powerful PC when I played it, but microstuttering is there to some extent on every video I've seen too. Maybe it's possible to fix using RTSS but I'm not so sure.
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The game does already have dynamic res on both modes iirc, but for some reason it doesn't aggressively target 60fps and is happy to float around thr 45-60 range
Oh damn, for some reason I thought it didn't and that it was only added by Saber for the Switch port.
I didn't have any issues and I played the game on multiple tier of PCs. Maybe it affects some PC more then others. I think anyone with an SSD and a decent CPU will have a much better framepacing then the console versions. I remember the PS4 version and oh boy it ran like shit.
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I was ready to order from GoG full price until I read this 😬 RTSS it shall be i guess
At some point you have to realise you chose the wrong platform to play this game on given your complaints. The game simply cannot run at 60fps at all times because of the CPU in these consoles. The times it manages 60fps are cases where the game is not CPU limited. The griffin fight in the video you posted runs at a nearly locked 60fps, while in others it will get bogged down to higher 30s. There isn't any open world that runs at 60fps on consoles. Common limitation is the CPU, not the developers.
Going by other threads, one gets the impression that many of them simply don't care.
For what it's worth, I think you're right to be annoyed, but there isn't exactly a large and vocal group of console players clamoring for premium performance settings and optimization, at least not to the degree as you might find in the PC community. And as a result, devs/pubs aren't going to make fulfilling that demand a very high priority.
Of course, at the same, ancient console tech probably makes achieving perfect 60 fps a near-impossibility for some games or situations regardless of effort, as others above have pointed out.
Perspective. What is it?
Play it at 30 fps and there's no problem. That's how everyone played it when it came out. But these INCREDIBLY minor issues and you're - sorry, but it's true - throwing a tantrum. The answer is get a PC, or deal with it and maybe deal with it like a grown-up.
Play it at 30 fps and there's no problem. That's how everyone played it when it came out. But these INCREDIBLY minor issues and you're - sorry, but it's true - throwing a tantrum. The answer is get a PC, or deal with it and maybe deal with it like a grown-up.
Completely disagree with you here; lots of people requested the unlocked framerate knowing that the game wouldn't be completely stable, they enjoy it for what it is, some people use freesync to get the best of the situation, others aren't bothered by it at all (I prefer it over locked because the combat/movement feels greatly improved for the most part)... you seem adversely affected by it; you have the option to not use it. That's literally win-win for all involved coming in with a free patch well over two years after the game released.
The game is very quite frequently on sales. Your PC is gonna help with your issue. This article is old but still applies. https://www.pcgamer.com/durantes-witcher-3-analysis-the-alchemy-of-smoothness/
Yeah it's bad, I've bought the game on PC, PS4 and Switch and PS4 is the version I'll never play again. At least the Switch version is portable to make up for it.
Same shit will happen next gen too, I dunno why devs that are confident with PC (like CDPR) struggle with getting a good performance mode on consoles, or even seem to not understand what a performance mode should be. Bouncing between 30 and 50 fps is not a performance mode. Cyberpunk on these consoles is going to be a mess.
Same shit will happen next gen too, I dunno why devs that are confident with PC (like CDPR) struggle with getting a good performance mode on consoles, or even seem to not understand what a performance mode should be. Bouncing between 30 and 50 fps is not a performance mode. Cyberpunk on these consoles is going to be a mess.
RTSS on PC is bascially the only way to guarantee good framepacing.
Or use Gsync I guess.
The framerate locks built into games are 95% awful.
With every game I always set the framerate to 'unlimited' in game than set a custom limit in RTSS.
Best practice.
Or use Gsync I guess.
The framerate locks built into games are 95% awful.
With every game I always set the framerate to 'unlimited' in game than set a custom limit in RTSS.
Best practice.
I can't even play games at 60fps these days without it feeling bad to play, don't think I could ever go back to consoles.
Your PC is way better than mine and Witcher 3 looks and works fine on mine lol. Just play it on your PC. Witcher is CPU bound
You can configure RTSS to show you the frame-pacing in an overlay. I use it for every game I play on PC.
I use MSI Afterburner. Its a companion program to RTSS I guess, does a lot of things but you can set on screen monitoring displays for pretty much everything you might want.
It ends up being bad frame pacing. Bad frame pacing can have multiple meanings, but even when simply meaning "frame integrated time is inconsistent with frame display time", well then that's usually the case with fluctuating framerate (even if theoretically it could be compensated, it's not in the general use case for multiple reasons).
And if it's just bad frame display time pacing then well inconsistent framerate is exactly that.
It's possible in theory, it's impossible in practice. It basically means you're able to know beforehand the EXACT compute time of the next frame. And fluctuating framerate usually happens because, well, compute time varies from one frame to the other.
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PC version of TW2 had headache inducing frame pacing issues. Not sure about TW3.
Just out of curiosity, did you try Nvidia's "new" own fps limiter via NVCP the added in the last two or three updates ago?