And I was being sarcastic in my response lol but was getting a point across.
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Wkd Box Office - 6•21-23•19 - Woody Beating Chucky Is Child's Play, Toy Story Biggest Global Animated Movie Opening All Time
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Interesting analysis on Toy Story 4 (but sure takes long to get to the point!)
Toy Story 3 opening being disappointing in 2010 I think it was due to Shrek The Third opening bigger 2 years before. But TS3 went on to gross more 100M domestic and more 200M worldwide so maybe TS4 is just that, a franchise with great legs that is not meant to behave with a big frontloaded opening.
Next weeks will be interesting to see. Personally I'm not counting on 1B so far but might be very wrong of course.
I am struggling as well because there doesn't seem to be any obvious point of comparison. As I've pointed out before, Endgame is a special case as Avatar was a special case for different reasons. The type of both box office runs makes that crystal clear. The point of making these comparisons, which I assume is to determine a movie's longterm appeal and staying power, is rendered moot when the method for determining said legs is based on a multiplier of its opening weekend. It should be blatantly obvious to everyone that a movie with an abnormally large opening weekend would not hold up when using this particular metric, which is not suitable for such situations.
I am honestly puzzled that this very simple statement encounters any sort of resistance.
Ok, first things first: I didn't attack anyone nor is it my intention to attack anyone. Are we clear on that?
Moving on, the conclusions you've reached are to me a very clear indication that this data by itself, without taking into account numerous other variables and facts, serves no purpose. Data without proper analysis and interpretation is just noise. Specifically, the way this data was presented did encourage the sort of flawed (in my opinion of course) conclusions that people are reaching.
It is my opinion then that "Endgame doesn't have good legs" is an oversimplification because I find the method of calculating the metric of "legs" to be unsuitable for cases such as Endgame. I also think it is a big mistake to make comparisons between movies that launched at different times of the year.
There is, and it has explained repeatedly. The comparison is between the films with the biggest opening weekends.
If all cases are special, then no cases are special. And Endgame isn't special, which is exactly what the comparison shows.
Of course it's a suitable metric when you compare nothing but big openers, if phon had used total earnings instead of openings then it would have been skewed. It is, again, a comparison of the biggest opening weekends and how movies that open really big fare. That's it. There is nothing more to it than that.
It encounters resistance because you are at this point wilfully obtuse about it. Either you do not understand what the comparison is, or you are so entrenched in hyping Endgame that you are incapable of being rational about an incredibly normal way of comparing films.
I don't participate in these discussions often but I think it would be best to stick to criticizing arguments instead of making comments on a personal level. I may not agree with your views on this topic but I don't think less of you as a person because of it. My opinion is clear: I dispute the value of the data posted earlier because data in a vacuum, without proper analysis, is pointless.
I'm not really making comments on any more of a personal level than you have been so spare me the feigned indignity.
The data isn't in a vacuum, it was presented to you, in context, and with analysis. So your insistence that it is pointless is a reflection on you and not PhoncipleBone or his post.
Saying that you can't compare Endgame to other movies is like saying you can't compare sales of an Xbox exclusive to a Playstation exclusive. Or how a game available on Steam does versus a game on Epic/GOG/Origin/Uplay/Whatever. If everything is a special case, then nothing is and we cannot compare anything to anything. It is a comparison, not a competition, or a clinical trial where the conditions must be identical for the results to be useful.
You are complaining about numbers in a thread about numbers, the post has now repeatedly been explained to you. If you choose to ignore that then I can't help you.
But for one last time:
It is a post comparing the biggest opening weekends, the end
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And also, it's not just here that these comparisons are made, it's all over the internet. It's in box office websites, forums etc where you will find this very comparison amongst others. It's just normal box office behavior (to compare) no matter the differences between the films. If I'm correct, the data that was posted came directly from BoxOfficeMojo, which is a box office tracking website, if not the biggest and most well known.
Eh, I don't much like it to be honest. It looks sort of goofy to me.
Ok, let's agree to disagree then and leave it at that.
It isn't trolling. It is just a curious look at readily available data and stuff I had not looked at nor posted for a few weeks now.
If I were trolling I would do daily updates about it.
Source? Also, I was thinking myself 1 week along with SweetNicole I believe. It makes sense though if it's only 4 days and it seems that in those 4 days Endgame will be playing in Dolby at AMC. I just checked my AMC app and Toy Story 4 looks to be giving up Dolby this Friday as it only shows IMAX and Digital formats from 6/28 onwards. (Annabelle is only showing in IMAX/Digital)
If that's the case then it'll only be Fri, Sat, Sun, Mon and Dolby/IMAX go to FFH Tuesday.
With that said, it's definitely not passing AVATAR if this is indeed the case.
Very well reasoned, that's a hell of a ceiling if endgame is the ceiling. I suspect it's now raised the floor of the rest of the MCU too.
So per Mana it looks like the 7 minutes post-credit extras are:
1 - Intro by the Russo's
2 - Deleted Hulk scene
3 - Cast tribute to Stan Lee
4 - Far From Home advertisement
So is this just Fiege trolling people that are really invested in Endgame beating Avatar?
Why would he troll, chances are he wants that record as much as anyone. Russo's too probably.
I mean if you were in their position wouldn't you?
Basically. With DvD/Blu-Ray extras that'll be released in 6-7 weeks.
I think the confusion is more: Why not do an extended cut or something more notable. As well why no traditional marketing with now 3 days to go.
If you are going to re-release it...why not do something crazy? Like an extended cut with that cut out Kathrine Langford stuff with other deleted scenes.
Agree. We've been echoing this. I believe I said "it's a lazy cash grab" lol and it's true. An actual extended cut would have made a dent this weekend but this won't, not as much as an extended cut would have.
I don't know why Marvel refuses to do director's cuts or extended editions. That's money in the bank.
If I really cared about getting the record, I would do more than this.
I don't think Feige or the Russos have a Cameron-level ego that they need to satisfy.
Conspiracy theory: they aren't marketing it because they want people to be confused and think it's extended 🤔🤔🤔🤔
No official source but the plan is that Endgame will be showed on friday to monday and these screens will go to far from home on tuesday. This looks more like a marketing push for FFH than a push for the crown.
Do they have to pay to send out new copies of the movie to the theaters? Distribution costs money so it seems like this would be a big expense to just add 7 minutes of material to a movie and mass distribute and any advertising related to it.
It's a file. Very few use film nowadays.
For example, Nolan uses film.
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This begs to question why the crazy focus folks have on the cost of P&A of films. If prints are just files now sent out, then how is the costs going so high? There must still be a cost for distribution of the movies, otherwise the whole term P&A would need to be changed.
They are shipped on hard drives a lot of the time I believe. I'm not sure.
Since when was a Cameron level ego needed to want your film to be number 1?
Most likely this release is a compromise. Disney likely wasn't willing to spend several million on marketing just to earn and few more million domestic so they pushed it in the cheapest manner possible knowing full well they'll earn plenty on the Blu-ray and streaming.
That's what I had thought, from some previous reading's it was my impression that they were given a hard drive that was then sent back eventually?
The problem is that it needs a lot more than a few million domestic to be #1. This thing is so tame that I can't see anyone involved expecting it to take the movie the rest of the way.
Most major films are sent out via harddrives called Digital Cinema Package (DCP), sometimes these come with activation via the internet. Shipping is expensive, as in it's probably the major cost for this.
Technically the term P&A is already outdated since very few movies are actually released on film prints these days-
Smaller stuff like intros, cast Q&A are frequently distro'd via internet either via files or even streamed.
I think The Orchard did full DCPs via the internet but they got sold off and are now 1091 Media so that's no longer readily available info. I also think it's Signiant that does this in scale but to exactly what extent and for whom I don't remember.
In general for indies a whole bunch of it goes via internet (especially for festivals) or USB drives, but since DCPs are in the 100s of gigabytes and there isn't 100% file compatibility (Adobe being the worst offender in that their "default" DCP setting is garbo) that is its own headache area.
Remind everyone of Venom even if it isn't the symbiote suit.
Never forget Venom.
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