Wkd Box Office - 6•7-6•9•19 - Disney uses third wish to grant X-Men their freedom, families ignore second helping of SLoP to save money for toys

Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
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The only reason Disney appears to have a monopoly is because everyone else is bungling everything.

Seriously, how are they all messing up this badly?
I had this thought too, looking at the MIB review thread. For all the handwringing about Disney monopolizing and steamrolling the industry, we're a month and a half into summer blockbuster season, with a handful of the biggest summer titles already out and Endgame is still by far the best received. And the second best (not counting JW3 as a typical blockbuster) is like Aladdin, unless you counted Rocketman as a blockbuster (which, as a musician biopic, I wouldn't think of it as one imo). Godzilla, Dark Phoenix, MIB, SLOP 2... all big name, non-Disney franchises that are just way underperforming with critics and audiences.
 
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Schlorgan

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I had this thought too, looking at the MIB review thread. For all the handwringing about Disney monopolizing and steamrolling the industry, we're a month and a half into summer blockbuster season, with a handful of the biggest summer titles already out and Endgame is still by far the best (critically) received. And the second best (not counting JW3 as a typical blockbuster) is like Aladdin, unless you counted Rocketman as a blockbuster (which, as a musician biopic, I wouldn't think of it as one imo). Godzilla, Dark Phoenix, MIB, SLOP 2... all big name, non-Disney franchises that are just way underperforming with critics and audiences.
Exactly. It's less that Disney is eliminating the competition and more that the competition is eliminating themselves by doing such a terrible job with their stuff.
 

Elandyll

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Oct 25, 2017
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Maybe don't take it so personally? It's not about painting it in a bad light, many people who post here have done that a million times over. It's about making absurd claims with nothing factual to back it.
Wasn't there a poll on this very site showing that more than 40% of users were between dislike and hated it?

Found it:

More than 1600 votes, with the "liked" eeking a win with 51.6%

Saying the movie was highly divisive, and even that probably nearly half the fanbase didn't like it/hated it isn't that big of a stretch really.
 

Schlorgan

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Wasn't there a poll on this very site showing that more than 40% of users were between dislike and hated it?

Found it:

More than 1600 votes, with the "liked" eeking a win with 51.6%

Saying the movie was highly divisive, and even that probably nearly half the fanbase didn't like it/hated it isn't that big of a stretch really.
Hundreds of people on this site also believed that Detective Pikachu would outgross Toy Story 4:

More people voted in that thread than the TLJ one.

We are not a very representative group.
 
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Surfinn

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Wasn't there a poll on this very site showing that more than 40% of users were between dislike and hated it?

Found it:

More than 1600 votes, with the "liked" eeking a win with 51.6%

Saying the movie was highly divisive, and even that probably nearly half the fanbase didn't like it/hated it isn't that big of a stretch really.
Yes it is a big stretch. 1600 ERA votes isn't representative of the general SW fanbase.
 

patientzero

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Neon Demon
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Shin Godzilla technically

May through July had more films released that I saw and liked/loved, and had far less films that I saw and hated (I only really hated X-Men Apocalypse and Batman Killing Joke, Warcraft and Ghostbusters were meh). August was cancelled out because I despised Suicide Squad but La La Land remains one of my most-watched films even currently
For what it's worth, La La Land was a wide release in December. The only reason you'd find an August date for it is due to film festivals.
 

Icemonk191

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Wasn't there a poll on this very site showing that more than 40% of users were between dislike and hated it?

Found it:

More than 1600 votes, with the "liked" eeking a win with 51.6%

Saying the movie was highly divisive, and even that probably nearly half the fanbase didn't like it/hated it isn't that big of a stretch really.
This is the same website that gave MGS4 GOTY twice so I wouldn't trust any polls around here.
 

Cheebo

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Wasn't there a poll on this very site showing that more than 40% of users were between dislike and hated it?

Found it:

More than 1600 votes, with the "liked" eeking a win with 51.6%

Saying the movie was highly divisive, and even that probably nearly half the fanbase didn't like it/hated it isn't that big of a stretch really.
Era is a horrible way to base a wider audience reaction. We are demographically not very representative of the Star Wars fanbase
 

Elandyll

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Oct 25, 2017
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Era is a horrible way to base a wider audience reaction. We are overwhelmingly 20-30 something white male nerds.
There are dozens of articles (even a mathematical regression on exactly how divisive is out there I believe) about how divisive the movie was in spite of the great critical reception, but we're getting back in the circle jerk again... I guess some of you guys and gals will just never admit to it eh?
 

VinylCassette64

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Oct 26, 2017
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At least they kept the budget in check.
Welp. Victim #4 of the Summer Bomba Sequel Blockbuster famine incoming. (It helps that the current Tomatometer can't even beat 2002's MIB 2, the previous low for the series...)

Meanwhile, Shaft 2019 is about to release in two days, but there's no reviews for that one out either. Gonna be a pretty disheartening weekend if both major releases directed by African-Americans (F. Gary Gray for MIB: Int., Tim Story for Shaft) are critical and commercial disappointments...

Even Disney managed to screw up with TLJ and Solo though. They also make a huge live action bomb every few years (would've been Artemis Fowl this year if they had't moved it, now it will bomb next year).
That's true, but they're at a point where their other films (if not just one/two films alone) can collectively gross billions of dollars each year now to stave off those losses. Almost none of the other major studios have that much clout to release one or two major bombs and still come out heavily profitable for the rest of the year. To say nothing that about constant on-and-off urges of Paramount's parent Viacom re-merging with CBS, or Sony's film division doing poorly enough that talk of a potential sale were going around a few years back.
 

Schlorgan

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The sooner we as a society can accept that Star Trek > Star Wars, the sooner we can get away from arguing about TLJ and start arguing about true kino like Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.
 
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SArcher

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That's true, but they're at a point where their other films (if not just one/two films alone) can collectively gross billions of dollars each year now to stave off those losses. Almost none of the other major studios have that much clout to release one or two major bombs and still come out heavily profitable for the rest of the year. To say nothing that about constant on-and-off urges of Paramount's parent Viacom re-merging with CBS, or Sony's film division doing poorly enough that talk of a potential sale were going around a few years back.
I'm just kind of dumbfounded why they still keep making them.
 

VinylCassette64

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Oct 26, 2017
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I'm just kind of dumbfounded why they still keep making them.
You and me both.

And while Artemis Fowl was pushed back to 2020, we're probably still getting at least one major bomb this year anyway (the Maleficent sequel).

We almost made it a thread without fighting about TLJ.

Anyhow, presales for MiBI are looking like an opening in the 20s.
Yikes! I was expecting it to underperform, but I wasn't expecting anything this bad.

Sony better be thanking their stars Marvel Studios' FFH is a few weeks after this.
 

Surfinn

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There are dozens of articles (even a mathematical regression on exactly how divisive is out there I believe) about how divisive the movie was in spite of the great critical reception, but we're getting back in the circle jerk again... I guess some of you guys and gals will just never admit to it eh?
How about you provide actual evidence to your claims and not point to 1600 ERA votes as an equivalence to the SW fandom being highly divided over TLJ.

We digging up and reanimating our year old takes now that endgame is concluding
 

Ashhong

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Oct 26, 2017
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Maybe I'm in the minority here but I don't like the Hemsworth/Thompson combo and I also don't think he should have been starring in this MIB as a lead. Outside of Marvel he poops sadly. He works best with others around him.
He's great in Rush. His comedy roles work best with a large ensemble and as a smaller role though. Outside of Thor that is.
 

VinylCassette64

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Oct 26, 2017
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You think it's gonna crash and burn like Alice Through the Looking Glass?
I think the October release date gives it a potential lifeboat to merely underperform instead of outright flop (unless it reviews really terribly like that film did). Looking Glass had a end-of-May release, which for 2016 was the starting doldrums of that year's summer bombbuster season, meanwhile October is a more quiet period and it being Halloween month also nets it some pull given the lead character in question. Regardless, Mistress of Evil I think is in the same hole Looking Glass is in--a "nobody asked for this" sequel to a film that made a lot of money, but wasn't particularly well-reviewed.

That aside, it will also be a rather interesting fight for what villain-centric movie comes out on top that month--WB/DC's Joker comes out a couple of weeks prior.