We should make a bingo card of all the different ways people are going to interpret TROS' performance.
True. Although if it makes more than TLJ, the second argument doesn't really hold up at all. From a non-biased party, if TROS does underperform than it certainly will not be good for Star Wars as a franchise since we would have seen a downward trend in the main series and spin-offs.People will spin it to serve whatever narrative they see fit
If TROS makes less than TLJ you'll get people saying "this is proof TLJ hurt the franchise" and other people will counter by saying "JJ's lack of originality hurt it". If TROS makes more than TLJ you'll see people saying that this was proof that TLJ was a failure, or people will say that TROS capitalized on TLJ's momentum.
I had this thought too, looking at the MIB review thread. For all the handwringing about Disney monopolizing and steamrolling the industry, we're a month and a half into summer blockbuster season, with a handful of the biggest summer titles already out and Endgame is still by far the best received. And the second best (not counting JW3 as a typical blockbuster) is like Aladdin, unless you counted Rocketman as a blockbuster (which, as a musician biopic, I wouldn't think of it as one imo). Godzilla, Dark Phoenix, MIB, SLOP 2... all big name, non-Disney franchises that are just way underperforming with critics and audiences.The only reason Disney appears to have a monopoly is because everyone else is bungling everything.
Seriously, how are they all messing up this badly?
We should make a bingo card of all the different ways people are going to interpret TROS' performance.
Exactly. It's less that Disney is eliminating the competition and more that the competition is eliminating themselves by doing such a terrible job with their stuff.I had this thought too, looking at the MIB review thread. For all the handwringing about Disney monopolizing and steamrolling the industry, we're a month and a half into summer blockbuster season, with a handful of the biggest summer titles already out and Endgame is still by far the best (critically) received. And the second best (not counting JW3 as a typical blockbuster) is like Aladdin, unless you counted Rocketman as a blockbuster (which, as a musician biopic, I wouldn't think of it as one imo). Godzilla, Dark Phoenix, MIB, SLOP 2... all big name, non-Disney franchises that are just way underperforming with critics and audiences.
So you're saying that it would better for everyone if Endgame did get a big boost from Spider-Man, to keep the TLJ talk at bay a little longer?At least we had a brief intermission from bad TLJ takes with endgame's run.
Endgame getting 10 billion from a re-release would be worth never having drive-by nonsense TLJ takes ever again.So you're saying that it would better for everyone if Endgame did get a big boost from Spider-Man, to keep the TLJ talk at bay a little longer?
The only good Star Wars movie since Empire is Rogue One.
Wasn't there a poll on this very site showing that more than 40% of users were between dislike and hated it?Maybe don't take it so personally? It's not about painting it in a bad light, many people who post here have done that a million times over. It's about making absurd claims with nothing factual to back it.
I like that winning spells out 'trash can'
Hundreds of people on this site also believed that Detective Pikachu would outgross Toy Story 4:Wasn't there a poll on this very site showing that more than 40% of users were between dislike and hated it?
Found it:
More than 1600 votes, with the "liked" eeking a win with 51.6%
Saying the movie was highly divisive, and even that probably nearly half the fanbase didn't like it/hated it isn't that big of a stretch really.
Yes it is a big stretch. 1600 ERA votes isn't representative of the general SW fanbase.Wasn't there a poll on this very site showing that more than 40% of users were between dislike and hated it?
Found it:
More than 1600 votes, with the "liked" eeking a win with 51.6%
Saying the movie was highly divisive, and even that probably nearly half the fanbase didn't like it/hated it isn't that big of a stretch really.
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May through July had more films released that I saw and liked/loved, and had far less films that I saw and hated (I only really hated X-Men Apocalypse and Batman Killing Joke, Warcraft and Ghostbusters were meh). August was cancelled out because I despised Suicide Squad but La La Land remains one of my most-watched films even currently
Wasn't there a poll on this very site showing that more than 40% of users were between dislike and hated it?
Found it:
More than 1600 votes, with the "liked" eeking a win with 51.6%
Saying the movie was highly divisive, and even that probably nearly half the fanbase didn't like it/hated it isn't that big of a stretch really.
WordYes it is a big stretch. 1600 ERA votes isn't representative of the general SW fanbase.
It means the SW trilogy cycle for box office is broken at last.If Rise of Skywalker makes less than TLJ does that mean anything?
Era is a horrible way to base a wider audience reaction. We are demographically not very representative of the Star Wars fanbaseWasn't there a poll on this very site showing that more than 40% of users were between dislike and hated it?
Found it:
More than 1600 votes, with the "liked" eeking a win with 51.6%
Saying the movie was highly divisive, and even that probably nearly half the fanbase didn't like it/hated it isn't that big of a stretch really.
There are dozens of articles (even a mathematical regression on exactly how divisive is out there I believe) about how divisive the movie was in spite of the great critical reception, but we're getting back in the circle jerk again... I guess some of you guys and gals will just never admit to it eh?Era is a horrible way to base a wider audience reaction. We are overwhelmingly 20-30 something white male nerds.
That's really good
This is incredible. You hit pretty much every talking point thrown at TLJ. You'd never lose with this card.
This is me. Super worried about it. Either way, Rise of Skywalker will make more TLJ. Bookmark it.Hell there are those who loved TLJ who aren't excited JJ is back and are concerned he'll do too much retconning and have too much fanservice for those who didn't like TLJ.
Ha, ha, yeah, I hear this a lot too.
Anyhow, presales for MiBI are looking like an opening in the 20s.
Oof that's low.We almost made it a thread without fighting about TLJ.
Anyhow, presales for MiBI are looking like an opening in the 20s.
Wait, really???=OWe almost made it a thread without fighting about TLJ.
Anyhow, presales for MiBI are looking like an opening in the 20s.
Even Disney managed to screw up with TLJ and Solo though. They also make a huge live action bomb every few years (would've been Artemis Fowl this year if they had't moved it, now it will bomb next year).
We almost made it a thread without fighting about TLJ.
Anyhow, presales for MiBI are looking like an opening in the 20s.
That's true, but they're at a point where their other films (if not just one/two films alone) can collectively gross billions of dollars each year now to stave off those losses. Almost none of the other major studios have that much clout to release one or two major bombs and still come out heavily profitable for the rest of the year. To say nothing that about constant on-and-off urges of Paramount's parent Viacom re-merging with CBS, or Sony's film division doing poorly enough that talk of a potential sale were going around a few years back.
We almost made it a thread without fighting about TLJ.
Anyhow, presales for MiBI are looking like an opening in the 20s.
You and me both.
And while Artemis Fowl was pushed back to 2020, we're probably still getting at least one major bomb this year anyway (the Maleficent sequel).
The sooner we as a society can accept that Star Trek > Star Wars, the sooner we can get away from arguing about TLJ and start arguing about true kino like Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.
How about you provide actual evidence to your claims and not point to 1600 ERA votes as an equivalence to the SW fandom being highly divided over TLJ.There are dozens of articles (even a mathematical regression on exactly how divisive is out there I believe) about how divisive the movie was in spite of the great critical reception, but we're getting back in the circle jerk again... I guess some of you guys and gals will just never admit to it eh?