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Oct 26, 2017
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Well my sub runs out in March and I don’t think I’m renewing. This will be the first time since cata that I’ve stopped subbing. Just not enjoying the game and the overall structure of it. Of course, if my wife gets back into playing I probably will too but I don’t see much point in logging in until 8.2. This is the first expansion where I have no desire to do the raids and I haven’t done half the heroic dungeons either. I just don’t find any of it interesting. Part of that is because the premise of this expansion is so god damned stupid. And the fact that the game just plays worse overall. Some of the changes they made are just baffling.

Anyway. Does anyone know when 8.2 comes out?
 

Hixx

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Oct 25, 2017
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Well my sub runs out in March and I don’t think I’m renewing. This will be the first time since cata that I’ve stopped subbing. Just not enjoying the game and the overall structure of it. Of course, if my wife gets back into playing I probably will too but I don’t see much point in logging in until 8.2. This is the first expansion where I have no desire to do the raids and I haven’t done half the heroic dungeons either. I just don’t find any of it interesting. Part of that is because the premise of this expansion is so god damned stupid. And the fact that the game just plays worse overall. Some of the changes they made are just baffling.

Anyway. Does anyone know when 8.2 comes out?
Not yet. We don't even have a date for the next minor patch though it cannot be too far off at this point.

https://www.wowhead.com/news=289916...-release-dates-for-8-1-5-8-2-and-azshara-raid

Wowhead posted this a couple of weeks ago. Doesn't seem too unrealistic but it wouldn't be a massive surprise to see 8.2 in June either.
 
Nov 11, 2017
1,270
Florida
I expect 8.2 in May, probably the later part. 8.1.5 shoud be out by the end of this month IMO. Though I suspect it'll be DOA. No one cares at this point.*

imo, etc, before someone grabs their pitchforks
 

Jag

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Oct 26, 2017
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8.1.5 will come out early March at least that has some fun stuff to do. I did my 6 month boat sub at the very end of the promotion so I still have time left on my sub. Been slowly leveling alts. Have 7 120s working on number 8.
 
Nov 11, 2017
1,270
Florida
8.1.5 will come out early March at least that has some fun stuff to do. I did my 6 month boat sub at the very end of the promotion so I still have time left on my sub. Been slowly leveling alts. Have 7 120s working on number 8.
I think my boat sub runs out this month. I honestly did that by accident and they gave me the boat after they started the promotion because I apparently did it right before.

Re: 8.1.5 there may be fun stuff in the patch to do but I don't think it's enough to bring back a good amount of people. I know there's a few who are explicitly awaiting Zando and KT but in the end they're just glorified skins and not "real content." I think 8.2 will, hopefully, be the real hook to bring people in but also the real last chance Blizzard has to earn any goodwill with the playerbase.
 

Sain

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Nov 13, 2017
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I'm out until at least 8.2 (sub expired in mid-December). I thought about coming back and raiding with my guild for Dazar'alor, but when the time came, I just couldn't bring myself to do it. A good raid is not enough to keep me paying Blizzard $15 a month when everything else around it is the same/meh.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'm out until at least 8.2 (sub expired in mid-December). I thought about coming back and raiding with my guild for Dazar'alor, but when the time came, I just couldn't bring myself to do it. A good raid is not enough to keep me paying Blizzard $15 a month when everything else around it is the same/meh.
I *may* resub during 8.1.5 instead of waiting until 8.2. It depends on how 8.2 looks on the PTR. If I feel good enough about the coming changes, then I'll probably sub and level a zandalari instead of waiting for 8.2.
 
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Tachya
Oct 25, 2017
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I *may* resub during 8.1.5 instead of waiting until 8.2. It depends on how 8.2 looks on the PTR. If I feel good enough about the coming changes, then I'll probably sub and level a zandalari instead of waiting for 8.2.
There’s some stuff that was just added on the PTR that might be worth checking out for me personally, but I can probably find impressions if I don’t explore it myself.

8.2 PTR will be the real test though I think. That is something that I’ll definitely be giving a thorough examination before deciding to commit for any longer period of time. If they can’t turn dozens of things around with that, then I don’t know what to say.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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There’s some stuff that was just added on the PTR that might be worth checking out for me personally, but I can probably find impressions if I don’t explore it myself.

8.2 PTR will be the real test though I think. That is something that I’ll definitely be giving a thorough examination before deciding to commit for any longer period of time. If they can’t turn dozens of things around with that, then I don’t know what to say.
8.2 is basically when "Beta for Azeroth" ends. If the game at that point still hasn't got to where it's actually compelling for me to just play a max level character then there's no reason to pay attention to the game until 9.0 at the earliest.
 
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Tachya
Oct 25, 2017
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8.2 is basically when "Beta for Azeroth" ends. If the game at that point still hasn't got to where it's actually compelling for me to just play a max level character then there's no reason to pay attention to the game until 9.0 at the earliest.
That's how I feel as well
Pretty much. If the game's act isn't together by 8.2 I'm pretty much writing it off until 9.0 or shortly before, assuming there would even be an 8.3 or whatever. And in that case, I'd be heavily following alpha/beta news and changes before even buying in to another expansion. There's so many other sources of entertainment these days, even if nothing satisfies quite like an MMO, but it's arguable that WoW is barely an MMO or an RPG anymore in many respects.

I may or may not play even if it's bad at various times, just out of habit and the large time investment I've put in previously, but I won't be committed at all.

Will definitely be checking out WoW Classic a little bit in the summer, but I know that's only a side project for me at best, because 40 man raids are just NO. Still plenty of interesting things to do and see besides that though. I'm still of the opinion that a legacy BC server would be the most fun for me, or maybe a Wrath one. Certain patches of later expansions that I wasn't playing and that were good I might be down for as well, but a fully supported legacy BC server I could definitely sink a year or two into at least I think.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Seems like a good use of time to design the azerite system, redesign the azerite system for 8.1, lock the azerite system for 8.2 and add a bunch of stuff to the heart and then just delete it all for 9.0 while crossing your fingers and hoping you have enough time to not fuck up whatever 9.0's system is.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Seems like a good use of time to design the azerite system, redesign the azerite system for 8.1, lock the azerite system for 8.2 and add a bunch of stuff to the heart and then just delete it all for 9.0 while crossing your fingers and hoping you have enough time to not fuck up whatever 9.0's system is.
I have to imagine there are at least a few folks at blizzard who realized the glaring issues with the Azerite system during development, and for the past couple of months have been feeling a combination of vindication for being correct and extreme frustration at the fact it actually went live in its current state.
 
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Tachya
Oct 25, 2017
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Have ya'll tried out the new reaping affix? Much more enjoyable than infested. Infested was... neat I guess, but more annoying than challenging. And reaping is pretty exciting.
I haven't played the Reaping seasonal affix myself yet, but it definitely seems better than Infested from what I've seen/heard. Infested was just obnoxious.

Seems like a good use of time to design the azerite system, redesign the azerite system for 8.1, lock the azerite system for 8.2 and add a bunch of stuff to the heart and then just delete it all for 9.0 while crossing your fingers and hoping you have enough time to not fuck up whatever 9.0's system is.
This hurts me in my bones :(

For whatever reason they seem to not want to build on previously good systems and cut ones that actually aren't worth salvaging. Whether it's an internal politics thing, or just intentionally choosing to reinvent the wheel each expansion for the past few, I dunno.
 
Oct 26, 2017
4,105
Orlando, FL
Seems like a good use of time to design the azerite system, redesign the azerite system for 8.1, lock the azerite system for 8.2 and add a bunch of stuff to the heart and then just delete it all for 9.0 while crossing your fingers and hoping you have enough time to not fuck up whatever 9.0's system is.
Maybe they'll finally figure out a way to keep character progression going without having to develop entirely new systems every few years rather than take something that's mostly had the kinks ironed out and still has room for further expansion and then throw it out.

Boy, that would be wild.
 
Nov 11, 2017
1,270
Florida
Maybe they'll finally figure out a way to keep character progression going without having to develop entirely new systems every few years rather than take something that's mostly had the kinks ironed out and still has room for further expansion and then throw it out.

Boy, that would be wild.
I wish they'd just.... stick with Legion AP-esque progression, rename it "Path of the Titans" lol, and just iterate on that. I never want to see Azerite again.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I have to imagine there are at least a few folks at blizzard who realized the glaring issues with the Azerite system during development, and for the past couple of months have been feeling a combination of vindication for being correct and extreme frustration at the fact it actually went live in its current state.
I'm guessing it wasn't just a few but they likely have an internal requirement to have some sort of alternative progression system and it was too late / expensive to come up with something else. It was added fairly late in testing and the problems with how it would actually work were so apparent that they had to have known.

I don't think they knew when they announced it at Blizzcon though. But a lot of the bigger downsides like losing functionality while upgrading gear were avoidable so it just seems misguided from the start.
 
Nov 11, 2017
1,270
Florida
fuck, like most of america/the world I totally forgot that show happened.
That's because it ended after the fifth season. You can't convince me otherwise.

Speaking of: people often wish for a WoW 2 but I've been on a Mortal Kombat kick lately and honestly at this point I wouldn't be opposed to a Bronze Dragon expansion that ended with the timeline being rebooted similar to what happens with Armageddon. Khadgar goes "he must win" and Arthas wins Wrath of the Lich King and we just continue from there. We could "replay" the good parts of WoW's story from there but delete most of Cata, WoD, and most importantly, BFA. Don't @ me.
 
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Tachya
Oct 25, 2017
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And yet token prices have barely budged since September.
I'm not sure exactly what point you're trying to make.

It is interesting to note that tokens are about half or less the near end of Legion highs, which is still 3x to 5x the WoD lows, but those lows were before you could convert to Battle.net balance. I'm not sure what the Legion lows/average were off the top of my head without checking out wowtoken.info or somewhere else that has cataloged the prices.

EU has always had somewhat higher prices, NA + OCE tends to be lower. Other regions besides those trend on the higher side, maybe more or less than EU.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I might resub for KT, to level a druid. Maybe. Guild didnt come back for the new raid so that ship has sailed for this expansion it seems, so whatever I do from now on will be LFR and the sort.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I'm not sure exactly what point you're trying to make.
A stable price means either: a) gold continues to drain from the economy but the player base is also buying less tokens, or b) gold creation is stable and people are buying and selling tokens at a roughly even amount.


Also: Blizzard changed their minds about the Heirloom prices on the PTR and now they've been slashed by a huge amount (upwards of 50% cheaper). I don't know if this means they looked at the data and decided to start easing off deflation, or the anger over the prices drove a re-think on Heirloom prices.
 

Jag

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Oct 26, 2017
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I think Blizz is watching the economy closely and realized that they have successfully killed the gold rush. Not sure we will see it again. Too many decisions imply that they don't. Missions mostly. Maybe Azshara does an Argus gold bump, but I'm not optimistic. The mission talent tree is just so ...random.
 
Nov 11, 2017
1,270
Florida
I think Blizz is watching the economy closely and realized that they have successfully killed the gold rush. Not sure we will see it again. Too many decisions imply that they don't. Missions mostly. Maybe Azshara does an Argus gold bump, but I'm not optimistic. The mission talent tree is just so ...random.
The Mission Talent tree and the mission table in general just seem so quarter assed done this time. I really hope this is the end of the line for this feature.
 
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Tachya
Oct 25, 2017
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I think Blizz is watching the economy closely and realized that they have successfully killed the gold rush. Not sure we will see it again. Too many decisions imply that they don't. Missions mostly. Maybe Azshara does an Argus gold bump, but I'm not optimistic. The mission talent tree is just so ...random.
Yeah the mission table and talent tree this time were definitely there just to tick a checkbox this go around, rather than a meaningful attempt at improving the feature. They somehow made it pretty much worthless while still putting it in the game. Which even the most ardent haters of the garrison table would probably argue against -- the argument then was that it was too necessary and overwhelming to the detriment of other content in WoD. Legion was a better balance I think, but still could have stood for improvement. The ship table in BfA is just...not good.

No joke, the current talent tree for the thing was probably slapped together in a week or two tops, since the framework was already built. The talents are pretty nonsensical and worthless.

I'll definitely be watching to see if they ramp up gold gains from the table or elsewhere in 8.2. Might make it worth leveling and unlocking it on alts, cause the unlock part of the table for followers is more tedious now for significantly less rewards. Let alone the equipment for those followers -- never even bothered in BfA so far as the return on investment wasn't going to be there.
 
Oct 31, 2017
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The Mission Talent tree and the mission table in general just seem so quarter assed done this time. I really hope this is the end of the line for this feature.
I completely agree with your first sentence, but completely disagree with the second sentence

I loved them in WoD and Legion
 
Nov 11, 2017
1,270
Florida
I completely agree with your first sentence, but completely disagree with the second sentence

I loved them in WoD and Legion
I was fine with them minus timegating for quests in WoD and Legion. I didn't love or hate them. But if this is what we're going to continue to get then delete them and be done with it. They're not engaging or useful to anyone in the least.
 
Oct 26, 2017
4,105
Orlando, FL
The table really feels like it's just there to have some sort of daily skinner box because they couldn't come up with more engaging content that would draw players in organically.

So yeah, axe it and just be done with it. Order hall is fine because it added a good deal of flavor (even if it really was just a time gate), but there was enough going on in the world outside of it that it didn't feel like I was logging in just to check on that.
 
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Tachya
Oct 25, 2017
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One of the biggest issues with BfA is that most of the "systems" content was just copy-pasted from Legion with no improvements or changes for the worse. The "new" systems of Islands and Warfronts were both pretty big busts and likely ate a TON of resources for completely underwhelming content. Those aren't even really that novel anyway besides some of the AI tech, as they're both using the scenario framework developed in Mists.

When you also account for the loot situation being objectively worse than Legion as of 8.1 still (losing Legendaries, Artifacts, and Tier Sets for...Azerite?) and other things like professions being absolutely gutted and mostly worthless except for Alchemy (Alchemy has always been quite powerful, but other professions are WAY worse than previous expansions) it's just a mess. Some other things as well, but it's all been covered before.

There's a theoretical large amount of "stuff" to do, but not much of it is actually fun or engaging. And everything showers you with loot now, whether it's appropriate for that level of activity/time investment or not.

I'm not sure if there's an easy solution at all, since you pretty much have to be revamp almost every system in the game right now, an expansion-level effort, if not greater. It's clear Blizzard was really pressed to meet a deadline with BfA and they couldn't even do much by 8.1's release to change course. It'd be interesting to see an extensive post-mortem later, as whoever signed off on most of the stuff that made it live clearly didn't have a good understanding of the game. There are many potential points of failure though, so you can't just lay the blame on a single person at Blizzard, even if it's easy to point to some more public figures that probably aren't doing their jobs well. The whole scrap and re-invent the wheel thing every expansion for the past few expansions isn't helping when there are reasonable solutions that were implemented IN THE EXACT GAME THEY'RE WORKING ON previously. Like the developers haven't even played much of their own game, understanding what made it successful, which kinda makes sense, as I imagine most of the designers except maybe artists from earlier expansions aren't even working on WoW anymore 14+ years of development in.

But if that's the case, they really should sit down and just spend at least a week or two in WoW history class or something, or actually engaging heavily on live servers (or earlier iterations of the game, private servers if they don't have functioning older internal builds.)
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I may probably return to 8.1.5 just to level a zandalari and wait to the end of the expansion to end the war campaign such a mess to wait months for 3 missions , wait for the raid, then wait for the LFR raid to be completed (whyyyyyyy) then repeat and wait for the next patch.
 

Skai

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Oct 27, 2017
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Have any of you xfered back and forth factions this xpac? If so did you have to complete Lore Master and the war campaign if you had already did them the first time you transfered factions, then transfered back? So Alliance-Horde-Alliance
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Just hit max level and was wondering what's the fastest way to get geared for raiding.

Is this Polygon article still relevant?www.polygon.com/platform/amp/guides/2018/8/13/17684734/wow-battle-for-azeroth-goals-daily-weekly-azerite-armor-power

Or are there better things to do since the new patch?
1. Emissaries
2. Warfront first comopletions and the world bosses (especially Darkshore)
3. Mythic 0 gives 370 now

Depends on how geared you want to be. For Mythic you need to be like 400, but for heroic you can be like 375
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,616
Just hit max level and was wondering what's the fastest way to get geared for raiding.

Is this Polygon article still relevant?www.polygon.com/platform/amp/guides/2018/8/13/17684734/wow-battle-for-azeroth-goals-daily-weekly-azerite-armor-power

Or are there better things to do since the new patch?
You can buy 340 pieces now from the AH to catch up a great deal. Can probably get like 6-7 pieces out of that.

I would start by doing the mythic 0 dungeons that drop azerite gear with traits you want. The right trait combination can last a long time even on a 370 gear, at least for dps and healing. I'm not sure what people want you to have in ilvl for m0 these days though.

Warfronts, as suggested, work great. Arathi drops 340 at the end, 370 once per rotation from the quest at the table. Darkshore does 355 at the end, 400 once per rotation. Arathi requires 320 ilvl and darkshore requires 355 to queue up.

LFR requires 355 and drops 370 gear. It's also a way to see the fights on easy mode before you jump into the real thing.

Another way would be PVP conquest rewards. They'll require you to do rated pvp and people will probably want a baseline gear amount, but that'll depend on the group but I would aim for at least 340-355.

What are the best estimates re: 8.1.5's release date?
I read a few weeks after the last wing for LFR opens up but that sounded like a guess at best.