Calling it "scummy" is an... interesting take.
But yes ignoring that hyperbole, titanforging is a very misguided concept, at best.
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But yes ignoring that hyperbole, titanforging is a very misguided concept, at best.
You're leading a mythic raid group but don't consider yourself hardcore? But at the same time say easy content is there for people who are lazy or incapable?
Uh, yeah, you're hardcore. Maybe not "I'm gonna pull this boss 480 times to beat him" hardcore, but you're hardcore. Don't kid yourself.
I still don't have a problem with titanforging stuff. Having an element of randomness to loot spices it up the right amount. I could see it being a problem if the bigger ticket items could titanforge though, like azerite gear or weapons. Getting a 395 weapon or a 395 azerite piece early on is much different imo than getting a cloak or most other pieces of gear.
I'm not really against them limiting the potential ilvl jump on titanforged pieces either. But it honestly doesn't even bother me and gemslots are super strong too and I think important to have.
I'm not really against them limiting the potential ilvl jump on titanforged pieces either. But it honestly doesn't even bother me and gemslots are super strong too and I think important to have.
Have they done anything in 8.1 to make the first boss of Hellfire Citadel easier to solo? It's ridiculous how the rest of the raid is super easy to do, yet the first one is near impossible unless you have a class with high mobility or ask a friend to take care of one of the cannon.
Honestly, it's just a piece of the puzzle, though. For me, anyway. A piece that is titanforged SHOULD be better than a piece that is not titanforged. Like Titanforged A should be better than Normal A. And it is. But then you might have Normal A, same item level as Normal B. And you get a Titanforged B. But A is still better even though it's some amount of ilvls lower, or it has a slot, because different secondary stats just usurp straight up primary stats (to a point).
Combine that with the Azerite trait bullshit, and it's just this pile of slop that has no logical pattern. What are ilvls for if they can actually be worse? Why even make this system visible? Why tie it to queueing for certain things? Why encourage the community to check for ilvl?
BROADLY it's true that higher ilvl is better, but when specific situations can crop up, it makes it feel stupid.
And then beyond that it's just... boring when you get a titanforged 395 or some bullshit and then never replace it for months because you got lucky. That initial hit is nice, but then you get another cloak, and another, and another, and another. I got four items of one slot from my mythic+ chest in a row. None of them compared to the item I'd gotten in a heroic.
I do have the unpopular opinion that the loot grind in WoW has ALWAYS been a pile of horseshit, though. Randomizing any form of serious progression is fucking stupid. [Don't] fight me.
There's always been a foolproof easy way, if you don't mind time.
What you do is just kill every mob/vehicle you see as they spawn or come up. But do not bother getting the cannonball chests, just ignore/leave them.
Just keep killing all new spawns and eventually there *IS* a limit where it completely stops. I would estimate it's around like several minutes, maybe 7 to 10.
I don't care about titanforging either. Much less stressful when you don't care about min/maxing gear
Don't you need those cannonball so the cannons can actually destroy the gate or whatever needs to be destroyed?
The problem is that on Mythic(the difficulty I actually want to solo), I can't kill one group fast enough before the other one that spawned more or less at the same time destroy one of the cannon and stop the whole fight.
The cannonballs won't despawn if you ignore them, but eventually the enemy waves will stop. If you ignore everything but the mobs, you can outlast the timer, and then just take care of the cannonballs after.
Nah, I wouldn't go that far. It doesn't feel good, it's disappointing. I've stopped logging in and cancelled my sub for the moment. 8.1 just doesn't have the content or fix core issues I have with the game, except for the fact I would like to experience the new raid. The idea that the current state of WoW + a new raid in three weeks will probably be everything we get until what...June? July? was completely demoralizing.
The extent of my gameplay recently has been just logging to collect rare mounts, and I didn't see the point of it anymore if I don't even know how much I will be playing the game ever again.
the cannonballs stay on the ground, so after you keep killing mobs and they stop respawning, then you pick them up at the end
but if you can't even kill the enemy mobs while only focusing on them, that's a problem
r u 120??
I'm a Fury Warrior at 370 ilvl.
The problem is that there is too much of a distance between both cannons and where the enemies spawns. By the time I killed one group(even if it take a few seconds), while i slowly walk to the other group attacking a cannon, it already lost over 40% of its health, so after the 2nd or 3rd wave, the cannon is already destroyed and I die.
This is on Mythic mind you, it might be perfectly soloable on Normal or Heroic.
Edit : Yeah, not really. While I can last longer on Normal, I still can't handle every mobs before they destroy one of the cannon.
I think I'll just ask my girlfriend to help me with that boss like last time. Too much of a pain in the ass to solo.
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That is fantastic. I've wanted an updated version of it for years now.
Hell I've wanted them to put back in the Siege of Undercity, it never made sense they removed it.
Cataclysm redoing the whole EK map probably made them think it wasn't worth the effort to retool it for the marginally updated Undercity?
It is dumb though, Siege of UC is pretty important.
Are you utilizing Heroic Leap and Charge for travel time??
Tonight if I have time, I'll try it on my 345 Arms Warrior. To be fair, I haven't tried it on Mythic in a while. I've been doing it on Normal and Heroic with my 360 Frost DK.
But I'll try my Arms Warrior and let you know.
The original siege of under city, where horde and alliance break into the city to defeat Varimathrass and the Grand Apocatherist after the betrayal at the Wrath Gate. It was a timed scenario during Wrath of the Lich King.
I'm sure you did, you probably just forgot.
It was one of the main quests/scenarios
This was the original that happened after the Wrath Gate occurred. Both Horde and Alliance went there, it ended with Jaina porting out Varian and co when they were about to start shit with the Horde side. She'd regret that later.
It didn't last long and then they removed it. Why? BECAUSE. No, seriously, that's kinda the reason. It wasn't considered modern content anymore and that was that.
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I tried playing my priest as shadow for the first time since 8.1 launched. I'm 116. I feel so horrendously weak it's unreal. Packs of 3 or more mobs sometimes killed me a couple of times out in the world. Forget actual world PvP -- practically anyone killed me and I didn't have a chance. My output feels super weak, too. Disappointing. I didn't encounter this level of power nerfing when I leveled my boomkin, havoc DH or frost mage.
Wow, watching that still gets to me. Amazing even after all these years.
Huh? You make no sense. There is a lot of content that is not considered modern that has stayed within the game. I believe it was removed do to lore/story changes in the game, nothing else. Unless that is what you meant when you said it wasn't modern, as in not modern to/with current story/lore.
It's cool that you could set alliance bonus in war mode to 200% and it still wouldnt be worth it
The reason people turned it off is still there. Its miserable.
Cool I get more azerite while the knowledge isnt going up so it literally doesnt matter.
It was probably removed because the quest line partly took place in old Orgrimmar, in an area that no longer exists. It also involved talking to Thrall as Warchief, but they don't seem to care about bringing back Warchiefs for old quests anymore.
I boosted my Rogue and 110-120 was still awful where I would die if I ever pulled more than one mob. Wasn't better until I hit a higher ilvl at 120 where I could fight more mobs at once.
It's bright enough on arthas that you can sorta see his mouth and the fact that it doesn't seem to be animated to move when he speaks.
I think it was the last quest in dragonblight wrathgate chain.
Are you talking about the lore change where Sylvanas apparently ordered this?
Well, at least personally I have found warmode quite enjoyable and the warmode bonus is icing on top. But, at lower levels it's enough to suffer through the occasional ganks by higher level players. Just a matter of personal opinion I guess. I like getting extra AP/gold, but I also like world pvp at times. When I am feeling lazy and just wanna do the quests, I keep it off. Maybe even I wouldn't like it if the rewards were so good that I felt like I had to have it on.
The most fun I have had in warmode has been during incursions. Usually a lot of horde to gank and alliance to back up.
Reforged makes it the best year in a long time unless it will suck.
It's great for lvling(you don't get ganked enough for it to be a pain), but I see no reason of dealing with PVP once you're 120 though.
I'm not trying to be antagonistic in this thread, but this is hyperbole/exaggeration
I just took my 115 Outlaw Rouge and killed two regular mobs at once (not elites obviously)
Outlaw was good when you got the good RtB procs but Sin and Sub leveling was awful.
Anyone playing as Holy Paladin here? What weapon are you using?
I still have that 340 Analysis Baton from like first week of LFR. I don't have much free time, so I can't get better ilvl version of that weapon from normal raids.
But are there any other endgame weapons at all? I see different dps ones, but not for healing. It feels like they removed artifact weapons, but forgot to add regular ones.
I still have that 340 Analysis Baton from like first week of LFR. I don't have much free time, so I can't get better ilvl version of that weapon from normal raids.
But are there any other endgame weapons at all? I see different dps ones, but not for healing. It feels like they removed artifact weapons, but forgot to add regular ones.
Sitting here at my desk wishing I could continue leveling my Maghar Hunter and for 8.2 to hit the PTR sometime this century. I need new things to discuss with people.
I'm leveling all my tanks first. It makes it much easier. Got DH, Pally, Druid, DK, also Hunter and Mage to 120. Working on Warrior and Monk right now. Will have 6 120 tanks lol.
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