Worse Reboot- Tomb Raider or Devil May Cry?

Silky · Feb 21, 2019

Tomb Raider's level design severely regressed with each installment following the reboot. I'm also not fond getting rid of the exotic/outrageous enemy types and platforming in favor of shooting endless waves of nobodies. Rise got better at servicing the platforming but managed to bloat the level design by adding meaningless open-endedness to the levels, that are now hubs for some fucking reason. And the tombs/puzzles just didn't get better.

So, as someone who found those games to be dull and undercooked, DmC is the better reboot to me. DmC has an art direction I sincerely appreciate and while the combat design has regressed in comparison to 4 it is still, without a shadow of a doubt, the best action game a western game developer can produce.

danmaku · Feb 21, 2019

Virtua Sanus said:
Complete nonsense. DmC has a 94% user review rating on Steam. It is literally the highest rated game in the series on that service with more reviews than the others combined.

It never got a followup because Ninja Theory was busy doing other stuff and Capcom was not entirely confident in that particular direction for the brand or the value of the series in general (I personally cannot blame them). If DmC did not do good we would have not gotten the Definitive Edition this gen, also. Games very rarely get upgraded re-releases like that. It is certainly not a failure of a game, just an awkward experiment.

We know that DmC missed its sales target (it was supposed to do better than DMC4) and failed to expand the series' audience. It wasn't a colossal failure, but still didn't do what Capcom wanted. The DE happened because it was a cheap way to fill Capcom's software line-up (they also re-released DMC4 and the DMC1-2-3 collection).

StraySheep · Feb 21, 2019

Coming in on Page 6 to add another "stop OP" comment.

Silky · Feb 21, 2019

bar_bar12 said:
Both two highly notorious and controversial. Both high profile series. Both were a try to take the series in a darker direction and were divisive. Which do you think was worse?

In other news, two weeks left until DMC5.

"Both two highly notorious and controversial" lmfao you gotta get off the fucking internet man

Beyond an exclusivity stint that left as quickly as it came who the hell was brewing controversy over fucking Tomb Raider beyond weirdo imageboard goons who got laughs out of the direction the reboot took?

DmC's "controversy" sure yeah you have a point but Tomb Raider? An inoffensive reboot of a series that people stopped caring about anyway after the Legend trilogy? You gotta be joking

Like consider this: I didn't give a shit about the content of your OP, I merely answered based on how I felt about both games but when I saw people clowning on you I had to see what's up. You went on to say that dumbass shit as if you had an INCLING of what the word controversy meant lmfaoooooooooooooooooooooo

Maybe!

Maybe!

Maybe get off the marketing high of a game releasing, drink some water and use some foresight before you post again

Kunka Kid · Feb 21, 2019

Tomb Raider.

But also, neither.

N7_Kovalski · Feb 21, 2019

What even is this thread? Both were great. DmC is literally my favorite DMC game and the TR games have been solid (Rise is fantastic).

BadAss2961 · Feb 21, 2019

Finaika said:
She is not having an orgasm.

Karlinel · Feb 21, 2019

What an absurdly hostile premise, both were great games. If what you intended to ask is "which is the least faithful reboot", then ok, tomb raider since it changed a lot of the gameplay.

psilocybe · Feb 21, 2019

I love both of them.

But I think TR got sequels that are not on par with TR2013.
TR2013 was more focused. Rise and Shadow opened up too much with filler and too much RPG stuff

And Dante is cocky and edgy as f* in both DMC and DmC

SurrenderDorothy · Feb 21, 2019

DmC.
Both of them are alright, but Tomb Raider 2013 was legit.
DmC's first showing was terrible until the Definitive Edition came about. It's no comparison.
Also, Reboot Lara is still great. Donte on the otherhand...lmfao.

psilocybe said:
And Dante is cocky and edgy as f* in both DMC and DmC

Not the same. Dante is endearing in his silly cockiness, but there are other layers to his character.
The other fella is channeling DMC4 Nero but with way more edge.
Dante and Donte are nothing alike.

Silky · Feb 21, 2019

SurrenderDorothy said:
Not the same.

There are people who still draw a line between the sand of how cockiness is portrayed as in a DMC game, that's way too much investment

Prophet Five · Feb 21, 2019

I love both the old TR and the reboot series and DmC was fine. So I pick neither.

SurrenderDorothy · Feb 21, 2019

Silky said:
There are people who still draw a line between the sand of how cockiness is portrayed as in a DMC game, that's way too much investment

That line will be drawn in blood, fam.

Damn Silly · Feb 21, 2019

Both are good. The nu-Tomb Raider trilogy kinda evens out at fine, but I really enjoyed DmC.

That's not to say I don't have gripes with either -- particularly when it comes to the leads -- but the hate for both has always seemed overblown, personally.

Ligero · Feb 21, 2019

DMC was a good game, just had the series baggage weighing it down. TR2013 was a great game, and spawned another series, so...neither? Technically DMC was worse but just because TR2013 is actually a fantastic game.

NDWest14 · Feb 21, 2019

danmaku said:
We know that DmC missed its sales target (it was supposed to do better than DMC4) and failed to expand the series' audience. It wasn't a colossal failure, but still didn't do what Capcom wanted. The DE happened because it was a cheap way to fill Capcom's software line-up (they also re-released DMC4 and the DMC1-2-3 collection).

Calling something a failure to a company shouldn't constitute a failure to the consumers.

It was a success to those that enjoyed it and according to the user reviews on steam it did succeed there.

People are putting WAY too much weight on sales. The only time they should effect you is if a sequel is canned for numbers, in this case a sequel was hardly on the books if at all.

JUNGLEGAMER · Feb 21, 2019

WTF which one was worst? They were both excellent

DigitalT · Feb 21, 2019

DmC caused the series to get un-rebooted. Tomb Raider got sequels.

Gonna say it's DmC.

Weltall Zero · Feb 21, 2019

ket said:
Outside of Era or fan forums, the reboot TR games weren't controversial at all.

Because outside Era or fan forums, nobody remembers the original Tomb Raider.

Edit: Clarified that I meant the original TR.

Kongroo · Feb 21, 2019

At least pick two bad reboots OP. Both Tomb Raider 2013 and DmC are fantastic.

IronicSonic · Feb 21, 2019

DarkPrince said:
Neither, both of these games a great.

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Adamska · Feb 21, 2019

Virtua Sanus said:
Complete nonsense. DmC has a 94% user review rating on Steam. It is literally the highest rated game in the series on that service with more reviews than the others combined.

It never got a followup because Ninja Theory was busy doing other stuff and Capcom was not entirely confident in that particular direction for the brand or the value of the series in general (I personally cannot blame them). If DmC did not do good we would have not gotten the Definitive Edition this gen, also. Games very rarely get upgraded re-releases like that. It is certainly not a failure of a game, just an awkward experiment.

Here's hoping Capcom, Microsoft and Ninja Theory can maybe work out making a DmC2. It'd be pretty great to see how they mature this spin-off, IMO.

correojon · Feb 21, 2019

DmC was weak when compared to DMC3&4, but it still was a good game on it´s own and very enjoyable. I beat every difficulty and even got the DLC.
I couldn´t even manage to finish a single playthrough of Tomb Raider and I completely hated the new way they took the little gameplay that remains there.

Big G · Feb 21, 2019

Asriel said:
LOL. Sure.

Tombs were at-most an optional 10% of both TR13 and Rise. But okay, "LOL".

Silky · Feb 21, 2019

Big G said:
Tombs were at-most an optional 10% of both TR13 and Rise. But okay, "LOL".

Well we found him, we found the guy who finds Tomb Raider 'controversial'

SpinlyLimbs · Feb 21, 2019

Tomb Raider. DmC had problems but it at least added things I liked such as a dynamic soundtrack, camera that didn't drive me mad, and a training room. Whereas Tomb Raider just took everything I liked about the series out.

ket · Feb 21, 2019

Weltall Zero said:
Because outside Era or fan forums, nobody remembers what Tomb Raider is.

Tomb Raider reboot: sold over 11 mil
Rise: shipped nearly 7 mil

Shadow: 4.12 mil shipped so far

ppl know what tomb raider is

Deleted member 12833 · Feb 21, 2019

Strangelove77 said:
They're both good mechanically but DmC is awful at everything else. Tomb Raider is just kind of bland.

Weird, I thought DmC did everything else better than most of the previous games except the mechanics

LTWood · Feb 21, 2019

They're both great games and two of my favorites of the last generation. The DmC hate especially is just so absurd.

Log! · Feb 21, 2019

DmC was pretty much tailor-made to piss off fans of the previous games, especially that whole "Dante is a gay cowboy lul" presentation or saying he would get kicked out of any bar he visited.

I don't remember Tomb Raider doing anything similar.

AlexFlame116 · Feb 21, 2019

Well I'll be sure never to ask Era about their opinions on the DMC franchise. I freaking loved DmC and it brought me back to the entire series after feeling a little burnt out with 4.

Only reason I'm playing 5 is because they're actually progressing the story instead of making it before DMC2 again, though I guess now 4 is after 2 instead of before.

Z-Beat · Feb 21, 2019

DmC by far.

Not like pre-reboot Lara wasn't murdering and stealing everything in her path too

aerozombie · Feb 21, 2019

The Tomb Raider reboot was highly successful and widely regarded as phenomenal. DMC is the only one that was divisive, the anti-TR reboot crowd is a minority of a minority.

Deleted member 10629 · Feb 21, 2019

DmC is a good game. Dont @ me.

ClickyCal' · Feb 21, 2019

Weltall Zero said:
Because outside Era or fan forums, nobody remembers what Tomb Raider is.

The reboot is one of the highest selling single player games of gen 7.

LordBaztion · Feb 21, 2019

I enjoyed both but more Tomb Raider.

SuperYlvis · Feb 21, 2019

Haven't played DMC but I love the Tomb Raider reboot. I find those games better than the Uncharted ones.

Spring · Feb 21, 2019

DigitalT said:
DmC caused the series to get un-rebooted. Tomb Raider got sequels.

Gonna say it's DmC.

This

Log! said:
DmC was pretty much tailor-made to piss off fans of the previous games, especially that whole "Dante is a gay cowboy lul" presentation or saying he would get kicked out of any bar he visited.

I don't remember Tomb Raider doing anything similar.

And this. DmC is the worse reboot by far. TR2013 was actually good.

Weltall Zero · Feb 21, 2019

ket said:
Tomb Raider reboot: sold over 11 mil
Rise: shipped nearly 7 mil

Shadow: 4.12 mil shipped so far

ppl know what tomb raider is

yuoke said:
The reboot is one of the highest selling single player games of gen 7.

I meant that (outside fan forums) nobody remembers what the original Tomb Raider is, hence why they're not complaining about it being rebooted.

ClickyCal' · Feb 21, 2019

Weltall Zero said:
I meant that (outside fan forums) nobody remembers what the original Tomb Raider is, hence why they're not complaining about it being rebooted.

I mean a lot of people do remember honestly. Even just from the movies alone and other pop culture stuff. It's like og TR games are niche.

Big G · Feb 21, 2019

Silky said:
Well we found him, we found the guy who finds Tomb Raider 'controversial'

I would say it's more that I think that they're fine games that don't really establish an identity of their own, and beyond the protagonist being Lara Croft I found them to bear little in common with previous Tomb Raider games. Perhaps if I was a hardcore fan of the series I might find them "controversial", but mostly I'm just the guy who liked the first two Core games and Anniversary quite a bit, as well as aspects of Underworld, and the new Tomb Raider games just didn't scratch that same itch. They're not bad video games by any means, just not what I was looking for and that's one of the reasons I haven't played Shadow.

Pertaining more to the thread topic, I actually liked TR13 and Rise quite a bit more than DmC, but I think DmC is much closer in spirit to what Devil May Cry is as a series than the new Tomb Raider games are to their series.

EarthPainting · Feb 21, 2019

I like the rebooted Tomb Raider games just fine. They're well made and could in theory stand among the best in their genre. The only trouble is that I find it so hard to get invested in these games. They just lack any sort of flavour or hook. I'd have a decent time when I was playing, but it was hard for me to pick the game up once I quit for the day. I beat the first one, but Rise of the Tomb Raider remains unfinished, and it's hard to articulate why. I just have to push myself to care, and that's never a good sign. Not sure if I could tell you much about the first game or the 8 hours I put into Rise of the Tomb Raider though.

DmC on the other hand, had the opposite problem. I didn't like the writing or characterisation, and the gameplay didn't click with me as it did in prior entries. I just think it was a worse game than most of what came before it. What it did have though, was a sense of identity. I had no issues at all with motivating myself to pick the game back up the following day. I didn't like it all that much in the end, but I beat it and it's something I'll pretty easily remember.

Just goes to show that video games are more than just the sum of their parts. My gut reaction was DmC is worse, but something I consider merely "consumable" and forgettable might be worse after all. I didn't even bother paying attention to Shadow of the Tomb Raider, and I'd still look at anything Devil May Cry.

No Depth · Feb 21, 2019

DmC was worse for me. Though I only felt it was decent at best, I wouldn't argue I disliked it.

Wasn't a fan of the new Dante, or the writing throughout the game. A couple bright spots, but a lot of cringe as I played. The new combat worked alright, but felt less freeform and focused on specific counters to certain enemy types that kind of made the whole thing feel like a reactive puzzle instead of adaptive. Just got really tired of it as I progressed. Still had a decent time playing through it though. If anything, several friends that couldn't get into the old DMC titles really fell for this new one, so it resonated for sure with an audience. Just not me.

TR2013 had some flaws as well, I wasn't personally a fan of a lack of proper tombs. The combat felt overbearing and too prominent. Most of the exploration amounted to collecting numerous trinkets on a scavenger hunt, and Lara arguably also was too apologetic and willing to take blame for externalities out of her control, which was a bit groan-inducing. Yet the progression was thrilling. Creative setpieces, lots of chaos, gorgeous visuals, and I couldn't stop playing until 100%(even then I didn't want it to end). Shame, I felt Rise was such a terrible followup though.

Tangyn · Feb 21, 2019

No Depth said:
If anything, several friends that couldn't get into the old DMC titles really fell for this new one, so it resonated for sure with an audience. Just not me.

I was going to ask if anyone knows someone or is that person who played DmC but not the old games and didn't like it? Or played the old DMC games didn't like them but liked DmC?

A garbled sentence but I'm sure it makes some sense!

nbnt · Feb 21, 2019

Had no affection for their respective series, so I liked both, but I liked DmC more. So TR would be my pick here?

Edit:

Gypsie said:
I was going to ask if anyone knows someone or is that person who played DmC but not the old games and didn't like it? Or played the old DMC games didn't like them but liked DmC?

A garbled sentence but I'm sure it makes some sense!

This would be me.

Memento · Feb 21, 2019

Both are good games?

TR2013 especially was really good

LowParry · Feb 21, 2019

Both seemed to be pretty good. And people had to put headphones on to avoid people hearing Laura? lol - If you can't play games in front of your SO...I don't know what to tell ya.

Cream Stout · Feb 21, 2019

dmc was fun, tomb raider was solid and bionic commando has the best grappling hook

Deleted member 4353 · Feb 21, 2019

This is a dumbass topic and you should be ashamed of yourself. Fuckin Era.
Both DmC and Tomb Raider where amazing games. Get over yourself.

Suburban Thug · Feb 21, 2019

Weltall Zero said:
Because outside Era or fan forums, nobody remembers what Tomb Raider is.

Sales numbers say otherwise. Normal people aren't complaining about Tomb Raider reboots.

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