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Would Death Stranding be receiving the same level of praise if it wasn't made by Kojima?
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No because things are different when you change them. You could change any major aspect of DS and it would have an affect on its reception.
But what you're probably actually getting at is the shitty "people only like it cos Kojima fanboys" thing, so to that I can only say give people a bit more credit than that.
But what you're probably actually getting at is the shitty "people only like it cos Kojima fanboys" thing, so to that I can only say give people a bit more credit than that.
Not only just the guts - only Kojima has the resources to make such a game.
To answer the OP: if the Kojima factor is your explanation for why the game is praised, then Kojima must also be the explanation for why there are so many haters out there.
Why would you say the story is "more Kojima" than the gameplay? The initial pitch concepts are all about the gameplay https://www.resetera.com/threads/kojima-posts-some-death-stranding-pre-production-materials.161070/
You couldn't have the exact same game made by someone else though....the game has Kojima's mark all over it,it's a game only he could/would make in the AAA space.
I think it would probably get similar amounts of praise but less criticism, fewer sales and fewer GotY awards - generally it would be a niche game, with people who it doesn't appeal simply ignoring it. How it attracted an AAA budget would be a mystery for the ages.
Death stranding wouldn't exist if Kojima didn't make it because he's the only one that could make it
Sorry, that's what I was getting at with the "not played a lot of his games" stuff. To an outsider (or maybe just to me!), Kojima is synonymous with "batshit insane story elements," and people don't really talk about the game design choices very much in broader conversations outside of "holy shit Psycho Mantis is asking you to switch the controller port." I read that thread and it's really impressive how much of that initial pitch made it into the final game, but if you'd asked me before I played the game if I'd think that was obviously Kojima's work, I wouldn't have been able to say either way.
I think it would be loved and praised more if it came from an unknown developer. The tech, the story, and the traversal were all well done in the game. I think people were just expecting another stealth action game on the same level as the Metal Gear series and went in with preconceived notions of what the game should be like instead of simply just experiencing what the game was.
I don't know to be honest. I love the game, but I might not have been that into it if it wasn't for Kojima. Because I just know to expect more crazy stuff to pile up the longer the game goes on and I want to see that through.
What is meant by "the same level of praise"? the game wasn't unanimously held in high regards - it's probably the most polarising title he's produced - and many that do love it (such as myself) know that it's what the game gets right that lifts it above its flaws, not Kojima's name on the box.
I bet it would get about 75% of the same praise. People love a redemption story so there was no avoiding that feeling for Kojima.
Death Stranding is the GOTY, get the fuck over it people. It's been leading the overall number of GOTY awards right from the start. If Kojima didn't make it, I believe it would have gotten even higher praise (not attention, but praise). The level of Kojima hate surrounding this game has been unreal from the very beginning.
The cutscenes wouldn't be as dumb if it was made by someone else than Art Videogameman.
The gameplay part would probably be praised to similar degree by the same parties.
The gameplay part would probably be praised to similar degree by the same parties.
Anyone who thinks that the brand name and developer pedigree behind a game has no influence on said game's critical reception (amongst both critics and actual players) is a fool.
Yeah, MGS1-4 are pretty much like that. The gameplay is fine, but I think for most people the main draw was the crazy story. With MGSV and DS though, it seems Kojima has become far more interested in the gameplay side of things.
People would think they found some hidden gem and can't believe no one is talking about it. Then again the production values ensures it would have a good enough following but it would definitely have less sales.
But there would be almost no hate. Just "wow this is a cool game" with a bunch of threads on Era convincing people to check it out.
But there would be almost no hate. Just "wow this is a cool game" with a bunch of threads on Era convincing people to check it out.
It would probably be seen better imo.
But it would not be seen as smart. It's dumb writing, the movie actors are there to mask that fact. Or highlight, really.
But it would not be seen as smart. It's dumb writing, the movie actors are there to mask that fact. Or highlight, really.
I think people would have been even more critical of the writing and storytelling in that case. The writing in Death Stranding is the worst I've seen in an AAA game as of yet. Shocking, given the actors hired for the game and the well realized cinematography. Some people dismiss it as being Kojima's unique style but for me bad writing is just bad writing.
I'm not sure how much I believe the idea that people only like it because it's a Kojima game -- I imagine there's just as many people who dislike it for that sole reason as like it -- but I do think Kojima's name being attached to the game garnered it more attention and discussion than it would have if a no-name was behind it. As someone who has never played a Kojima game before DS, all the excitement and discourse surrounding it simply because Kojima was involved definitely piqued my curiosity, at least. I'm not sure I would have played the game if so many fans and haters weren't constantly talking about it during its lead-up to release.
I imagine there would have been less vitriol surrounding the game if Kojima wasn't behind it, but there'd also be way less exposure, so... guess it'd cancel out?
I imagine there would have been less vitriol surrounding the game if Kojima wasn't behind it, but there'd also be way less exposure, so... guess it'd cancel out?
I wouldn't agree with this. While yes MGS is known for its crazy story bits and characters, the series would've never been so critically acclaimed without its mechanics, set pieces, and bosses.
That said, I find DS lacking in both story and gameplay tbh, and I do think the reaction to it would've been different had it been made by someone else, but you can apply this rule to anything with a fan base.
It wouldn't have been as popular but I do believe if the exact game was made by other people than Kojima it would've been reviewed the same-ish.
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