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Would Death Stranding be receiving the same level of praise if it wasn't made by Kojima?
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will this stupid ds topic ever die. Critics dont review games based on favoritism to aaa developers.
Otoh the game wouldnt have had all of the sony marketing and support without a big name probably.
Otoh the game wouldnt have had all of the sony marketing and support without a big name probably.
it wouldn't exist without kojima so i don't really know what to say man
like the game would not be the same--be it in scope, direction, themes, definitely his cinematic flair--if it wasn't made by him... it wouldn't have been able to get greenlit if it wasn't for the dude (idk how you can greenlight your own ideas but roll with me on this one)
like the game would not be the same--be it in scope, direction, themes, definitely his cinematic flair--if it wasn't made by him... it wouldn't have been able to get greenlit if it wasn't for the dude (idk how you can greenlight your own ideas but roll with me on this one)
Not the same level simply because not as many people would play a weird AAA game about walking if not for Kojima's name, but those who did would probably like it just as much.
Although I agree with you that this is an silly topic at this point, I disagree that certain developers don't get a bit of a "pass" from reviewers for issues that might tank reviews of games by lesser known developers. I think that this occurs in games, movies, television shows, music and other pop culture types of things that are subject to reviews.
It would be receiving more. This game would have people head over heels if it was made by some new and small indie group
Sometimes I wonder if it would be even more praised around here if he wasn't involved.
Kojima seems to really rub some the wrong way.
Kojima seems to really rub some the wrong way.
The game would have been better with an actual editor, that's for sure. The writing in the game is some of the worst I've had to endure in my 15 years of gaming and that's quite a feat. Finally some competition for Bethesda.
Maybe it was a bad idea to play this after Disco Elysium. The contrast couldn't be any bigger.
Maybe it was a bad idea to play this after Disco Elysium. The contrast couldn't be any bigger.
You didn't like an acclaimed work. It's ok. You don't need to find reasons why people who like it don't actually like it.
This is question is just a stupid if you replaced kojima with Yoko Taro and DS with any of his games. The reason the games are the way they are is specifically because of who made them. So of course they wouldn't get the same praise as they wouldn't exist
Also what is this Belda thing people are talking about?
Also what is this Belda thing people are talking about?
So the same argument as for The Adventures of Belda: Call of the outdoors?
The game probably would have been better received if it didn't have the baggage of Kojima's muddied name in the MGSV and onward years
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Breath of the WIld wouldn't have received the same ratings if the game was from a new studio with a fresh ip.
Zelda bonus so to speak.
the notion that if BotW would be as good as a game if it were called Belda instead of Zelda. basically what the OP is putting forward, "would be actually like this game as much as we would if it was not an established IP or creator?"
If Zelda was called something else, then it wouldn't get the same level of critical reception.
I think people give DS a serious look because it's from Kojima; otherwise most would give it a pass. But the intrinsic value of the game is still there so I think "yes."
I love the game but I definitely think the whole Kojima as auteur thing subconsciously plays into it partially. But at the same time if a new dev made this game I would be blown away at their ingenuity and creativity.
That the Zelda games are only revered because of the IP.
I guess there might be some truth to that... Like if BotW was some relatively unknown indie title, it would probably have received less GotY awards, simply because less people would have played it. And it's silly to think expectations and hype have nothing to do with how games are received. But it would have still earned some accolades just like Outer Wilds has this year, because BotW is a fantastic game.
I haven't played the game but as someone observing I can confidently say that I believe DS got way more attention cause it is Kojima. I don't think people are lying about their praise for the game but maybe they gave the game more time and attention because Kojima was attached. I think a lot more people would have blown it off had it not been for Kojima.
Honestly I'm more baffled by the idea that people would've said they liked it more because it had Kojima's name on it. As someone who has not played a lot of his games (really just MGS1) and really enjoyed Death Stranding, it's all the bits that are most obviously Kojima bits (aspects of the story telling, for example) that are the worst.
Came here to say this. Generally speaking critics aren't going to be swayed by stuff that has nothing to do with the game itself, but the industry loves an underdog. It's more likely the game would see more praise from devs we don't know. See: Celeste (and I love Celeste so please don't come for me!)
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