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Writer Dan Slott talks about Spider-Man's "Instant-Kill Mode" (all MCU Spoilers)
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Would be nice if some of the future MCU films reminded you of how shitty Stark was as a person sometimes but that's probably out the window now.
It was one of those moments you see in the other Avengers movies where things start to get a bit overwhelming and you can see that if something doesnt turn theyre about to lose the fight. This is illustrated with some close calls leading up to the final moment with Thanos and Iron Man. Rocket and Groot almost get blasted to shit by rocket fire, other Avengers are getting beaten up. Peter has to resort to killing. That's how bad things were getting before Iron Man saved everyone.
Or if they ever decided to remind you that Stark basically blackmailed Peter into cooperating
I'm glad Slot is off Spider-Man, tbh. A lot of the stuff he wrote was attention grabbing and brought new people to the books, but he would almost always write himself into corners and then come up with the most contrived ways out.
It felt like they were leading to that in Far From Home with the montage of people he wronged. But nah.
On the killing thing, I do remember not liking it but decided it was wish fulfillment for nerds and not malicious
Except it wasn't played off in a "joking way". It literally just happens as they were a threat that needed to be quickly dealt, and then the movie moves on. I'm just not gonna agree with you on that one.
As for it needing to have gravity, I completely disagree given what he was killing, the idea that those creatures are something Peter should torture himself over... I can't get behind that lol
Well it's not like he had the time to take it out lol
These creatures are portrayed as being less than henchmen.
he does, though the MCU is obviously free to do whatever with their interpretation of the character
I know he knew it was there, but he didn't choose to have it installed. It was a program that Tony had installed on the suit. It wasn't Peters decision. That's what I was trying to say.
That's the weird thing, y'know?
Like, Far From Home features a Stark killsat and all-encompassing surveillance system that puts Batman's sonar phone thingy from The Dark Knight to shame... But Peter has no issue with it whatsoever, and neither does anyone else, seemingly? Like, Mysterio gets hold of it and that's presented as a bad thing, but the film doesn't actually seem to take any issue with the fact that Stark built it in the first place, and Peter still has access to most of it - all the surveillance stuff at least - as of the end of the movie.
Like I genuinely thought they were gonna build up to some big, 'Pete breaks the glasses; no one should have this power' moment, sorta like when Alfred types in his name and the sonar system self-destructs... But they never did.
Like I genuinely thought they were gonna build up to some big, 'Pete breaks the glasses; no one should have this power' moment, sorta like when Alfred types in his name and the sonar system self-destructs... But they never did.
there is an argument to be made on why Peter hasn't removed it yet but I can accept that he just never bothered. Peter getting used to the iron spider suit was mostly all off screen.
Eh, no kill rule is dumb anyway. I have zero problem with anyone defending their life, especially if they're also defending the fate of the world/universe/family/etc. It's an outdated concept. Not to mention that this Parker hasn't really stated one way or the other his thoughts about killing.
I used to be strict about Batman and all of that, but honestly it makes zero sense for someone to let someone live who is actively and repeatedly trying to kill you, and even if captured cannot be held, will escape, and kill several other people.
I used to be strict about Batman and all of that, but honestly it makes zero sense for someone to let someone live who is actively and repeatedly trying to kill you, and even if captured cannot be held, will escape, and kill several other people.
I would argue that maybe Peter isn't a blind optimist. That he is smart enough to know that such a thing could come in handy in a desperate situation. (Which it did)
Ddifferent universe, different rules
pretty much
I also think it's just a concession that movies will have to make to heighten the stakes. you can't just punch dudes a couple of times and have them be "beaten" while also conveying the gravity of what's at stake
Peter simply wants to meet Thanos in the middle. Come to an understanding they can both agree on./s
When would he have removed it? Tony gave him the Iron Spider suit on a rocket ship to Thanos' planet. He was snapped for five years. He comes back and is in the same suit.
Growing up with Spidey.. I kinda agree with Slott here. Moreover, the big crossover events like Secret Wars/Infinity War/Gauntlet, I always treated as alternate universe side stories, Marvel borrowing Spidey for their big events because he was their biggest icon. I never thought of those stories as canon to Spidey's more personal, mainline series stories. (Personally I regarded Amazing as the only canon series of Spider-man stories, and Web and Spectacular also as alternate universes). So if there was any killing going on in those alternate histories they never affected how I understood the character. Bringing the symbiote into the Amazing Spider-man universe did blur the lines for me some, but still, Peter Parker from the Amazing storyline is a guy that wouldn't kill unless pushed to the absolute extreme -- it would have to be so personal a case (like revenge if Mary Jane died.. and maybe ONLY in that case) that ultimately it would break him psychologically as a character forever. It's just not in him.
This is such a stupid take. Is Uncle Ben Pa Kent from Man of Steel? Peter wasn't killing Hydra soldiers or mowing down a Kree army. Infinity War went out of its way to show that the Outriders were mindless genetic weapons used for cannon fodder. They were literally tearing themselves apart to get into Wakanda.
Peter will kill when forced. The audience may have laughed at the scene but he wasn't making jokes in the moment.
Peter will kill when forced. The audience may have laughed at the scene but he wasn't making jokes in the moment.
For all we know he did remove it from his normal suit. He never had a chance to with the Iron Spider suit.
But heroics man. And ideals. And stuff.
What is the point of the universe existing if a hero decides to get his hands dirty to save it?
(/s)
No there is not. Peter died the day he got the suit. He got de-blipped five years later and immediately got dropped into a desperate fight for the universe where he actually needed the Instant Kill Mode to survive.
Then why isn't anyone who is saying that coming up with some other, better way to write the scene?
And it was fucking Outriders, literatlly designed and grown in a vat to hunt and kill
This reminds me of Injustice when Superman blows up all the Parademons, and Batman throws a fit.
I... actually like that.
One thing that I see a lot with the relationship between Batman and Superman is that they see each other as two sides of the same coin - Superman exists to inspire others and Batman exists to terrify them.
So while it's okay for Batman to be "bad", Superman can't be. The world follows where Superman goes and if the most powerful of us goes bad, don't we all?
Remember at the end of FFH when he still has the police state glasses just because Tony made them. Good times.
Do people watch movies anymore? Am I the crazy one for paying attention?
I'm not sure I get why it would suck.
I think rabid alien space beasts is quite removed from not wanting to let anyone die because the death of his uncle (and Captain Stacy, and Gwen Stacy...) weigh heavily on his conscience.
I thought the pragmatism of it was in character for Peter Parker. It wasn't his first resort, or something done gleefully. He's in a war for the fate of the universe against mindless creatures that can't be negotiated with. Killing them is like being OK with the idea of destroying the Elementals.
Oh crap, for some reason i had it in my head that he got it at the end of Homecoming.
Yahhhhhh.... To quote myself from earlier:
Like, Far From Home features a Stark killsat and all-encompassing surveillance system that puts Batman's sonar phone thingy from The Dark Knight to shame... But Peter has no issue with it whatsoever, and neither does anyone else, seemingly? Like, Mysterio gets hold of it and that's presented as a bad thing, but the film doesn't actually seem to take any issue with the fact that Stark built it in the first place, and Peter still has access to most of it - all the surveillance stuff at least - as of the end of the movie.
Like I genuinely thought they were gonna build up to some big, 'Pete breaks the glasses; no one should have this power' moment, sorta like when Alfred types in his name and the sonar system self-destructs... But they never did.
Like I genuinely thought they were gonna build up to some big, 'Pete breaks the glasses; no one should have this power' moment, sorta like when Alfred types in his name and the sonar system self-destructs... But they never did.
Yeah this is a much more eloquent take than me and I agree 100%
people still off base as hell in this thread though lol, you might have to pivot to canon comics education mode
Lmao, of course people are making a mountain out of a molehill with regard to a funny joke in a comic book movie. No fun allowed.
It's not like Peter decided to take out random civilians because he got tired of waiting in line for ice cream. Chill the fuck out, god damn.
It's not like Peter decided to take out random civilians because he got tired of waiting in line for ice cream. Chill the fuck out, god damn.
It's never ok for Batman to kill. The big 3 do not kill. There are exceptions and those exceptions are heavily scrutinized as much as this.
This scene was fine. There are 3 things that are clear to me.
1) Stark included "Insta-Kill" as a last resort to protect a literal child from death. The suit was designed to let the AI do the best to save his life if necessary, because Tony didn't want to live with a dead kid on his conscious.
2) Peter doesn't want to use it, as is made clear in Homecoming. He doesn't *want* to kill, and I think that's the important thing to remember.
3) These weren't sentient, intelligent aliens. They are beasts trying to rip him apart and help destroy the entire universe as they knew it. Insta-kill was justified in this very specific situation.
1) Stark included "Insta-Kill" as a last resort to protect a literal child from death. The suit was designed to let the AI do the best to save his life if necessary, because Tony didn't want to live with a dead kid on his conscious.
2) Peter doesn't want to use it, as is made clear in Homecoming. He doesn't *want* to kill, and I think that's the important thing to remember.
3) These weren't sentient, intelligent aliens. They are beasts trying to rip him apart and help destroy the entire universe as they knew it. Insta-kill was justified in this very specific situation.
yeah even comics outriders have more agency than MCU version. Rocket called it, they're literally rabid space dogs
People keep saying this but the moment isn't intended as a joke. It was Serious Peter Mode Engaged, when he doesn't quip or joke he's just all business. He was desperate to not be mauled to death by space monsters, and it was a moment intended to show how overwhelmed even the full might of the Avengers and their allies were against Thanos' great army. It has even more weight as a suitable moment to be using Instant Kill Mode than if it was just done as a joke.
People keep saying this but the moment isn't intended as a joke. It was Serious Peter Mode Engaged, when he doesn't quip or joke he's just all business. He was desperate to not be mauled to death by space monsters, and it was a moment intended to show how overwhelmed even the full might of the Avengers and their allies were against Thanos' great army. It has even more weight as a suitable moment to be using Instant Kill Mode than if it was just done as a joke.
I don't think that's the last we'll see of it.
There's no way that folks like Rhodey don't have access to EDITH and it raises a lot of very serious questions just for existing because Stark must have made it after The Snap. So in those five years, he didn't just make powerful new suits for himself and Pepper but a drone system with extremely high firepower?
Maybe they'll explain all this stuff in another movie, considering the implications of a guy that turned his back on the world so he could apparently focus on building weapons.
Maybe they'll explain all this stuff in another movie, considering the implications of a guy that turned his back on the world so he could apparently focus on building weapons.
All the best versions of Spider-Man are pro police state. You take the good with the bad.
