That + 'Spider-Cop' and the general treatment of prisoners as a sort of zombie-esque disposable fodder enemy - with basically no more sympathetic moments to contrast - really sucked. 'Specially since I really liked a lot of other stuff about that take on the character.All the best versions of Spider-Man are pro police state. You take the good with the bad.
I don't think that's the last we'll see of it.
There's no way that folks like Rhodey don't have access to EDITH and it raises a lot of very serious questions just for existing because Stark must have made it after The Snap. So in those five years, he didn't just make powerful new suits for himself and Pepper but a drone system with extremely high firepower?
Maybe they'll explain all this stuff in another movie, considering the implications of a guy that turned his back on the world so he could apparently focus on building weapons.
That's like a half step away from murdering an arachnid in cold blood.Ah shit, I think Peter stepped on a bug at some point. Character ruined.
Imagine thinking that defending yourself from an army being controlled by a guy who just said he wants to wipe out all life in the universe isn't enough to take the kid gloves off.
That's kind of a lame cop out argument considering in the greater context of the MCU, it's already been established that Peter isn't a fan of killing and that the Outriders aren't even sentient beings.
It's never ok for Batman to kill. The big 3 do not kill. There are exceptions and those exceptions are heavily scrutinized as much as this.
BATMAN: They'll buy us some time.
CATWOMAN: But this is Superman.
BATMAN: Yes, and if he wanted, we'd be dead already. Deep down, he's a good person.
And deep down... I'm not.
Imagine thinking that fiction can not be better written, or written in a different way to suit different needs.
Peter could have at least commented on it like, "Whoa, that was crazy and violent. I can't have this much power."That's kind of a lame cop out argument considering in the greater context of the MCU, it's already been established that Peter isn't a fan of killing and that the Outriders aren't even sentient beings.
That's kind of a lame cop out argument considering in the greater context of the MCU, it's already been established that Peter isn't a fan of killing and that the Outriders aren't even sentient beings.
No, what I meant is that people are acting as if the events of the movie were facts instead of fiction that can be written in different ways. "There was no other option for Peter". Well, writters could change the circumstances for the character and the choices the character does.
It's like with Man of Steel. "Superman had to kill Zod, what other options he had?" Well, Superman is not a real person, but a fictional character who is acting according to a movie. And the movie script could have offered many better options for a resolution that made more sense.
It would have been lovely if they had the time, but this was already a 3 hour movie and very much focused on the group of characters that didn't involve Peter.Peter could have at least commented on it like, "Whoa, that was crazy and violent. I can't have this much power."
No, what I meant is that people are acting as if the events of the movie were facts instead of fiction that can be written in different ways. "There was no other option for Peter". Well, writters could change the circumstances for the character and the choices the character does.
It's like with Man of Steel. "Superman had to kill Zod, what other options he had?" Well, Superman is not a real person, but a fictional character who is acting according to a movie. And the movie script could have offered many better options for a resolution that made more sense.
I agree with Slott. It would not have been dificult to make it like Peter is knocking the aliens out or something, just like he does in the comics.
Where the hell are these nitpickers every time Batman kills someone in every one of his movies? (Seriously, Batman & Robin is the only one where Batman doesn't deliberately kill someone)
Ed Brubaker wrote Daredevil and Captain America for a long time. The MCU Cap is basically an adaptation of his Captain America run. He left Twitter a while ago, but that's still one of the funniest mentions of Slott ever.
In main DC continuity these heroes are suppose to be better than that. Diana can be ruthless but most of her kills are from gods and demons.Of course Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman kill. In fact Diana is especially good at it. The difference is they don't kill unnecessarily - they minimise casualties as much as possible.
That's why Batman was so clearly shaken by Superman just massacring all those aliens, because that's not what Superman does. He's the guiding light, not the encroaching shadow. Batman is the sort of person that would kill an army to save Earth and he'd shoulder that burden, no matter how much it hurts... but the world can't see Superman do that because Superman is better than that. In Batman's own words...
Where the hell are these nitpickers every time Batman kills someone in every one of his movies?
Where the hell are these nitpickers every time Batman kills someone in every one of his movies?
BvS is obvious. I'm more thinking about Dark Knight when he suddenly turns into Goldberg and spears Dent off the side of a building
More thinking about Dark Knight when he suddenly turns into Goldberg and spears Dent off the side of a building
...okay thats fairwell you'd have to set off the nolan truthers to do that and it ain't gonna be me no sir
Where the hell are these nitpickers every time Batman kills someone in every one of his movies? (Seriously, Batman & Robin is the only one where Batman doesn't deliberately kill someone)
The "it's fiction" argument in general is a lame cop out because it essentially boils down to "why didn't the writers just rewrite this entire chunk of the movie to cater to this one specific scenario?". The situation was as dire as it possibly could be, Peter (who's already established as not wanting to kill) decides to activate the big red button to fight off non-sentient animals in order to make sure that Thanos doesn't get the Infinity Gauntlet that is literally right there in Peters hands. There's nothing wrong with that and it's not out of character for Peter.
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that tells me nothing. how is peter going to drop the infinity gauntlet to hand to hand combat dozens of swarming outriders with enough care as to not kill them?
They created a suitable fiction, you just don't like it.It's not lame, because what I am arguing is from the point of view of creation of fiction, and what you are arguing is from the point of view the finished movie where things cannot be changed and are taken as fact.