It's never ok for Batman to kill. The big 3 do not kill. There are exceptions and those exceptions are heavily scrutinized as much as this.
Wonder Woman kills shit all the time.
It's never ok for Batman to kill. The big 3 do not kill. There are exceptions and those exceptions are heavily scrutinized as much as this.
This reminds me of Injustice when Superman blows up all the Parademons, and Batman throws a fit.
I was about to say, Wonder Woman having a no kill rule is news to me.
I don't mind super hero having a "no kill" ideal.
I don't think such ideal should ever last more than a second in the face of saving the entirety of the universe.
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that tells me nothing. how is peter going to drop the infinity gauntlet to hand to hand combat dozens of swarming outriders with enough care as to not kill them?
you can't just pick and choose a single moment in this climactic battle that you want to nitpick and rewrite, it's part of an entire sequence of events that leaves Peter guarding the gauntlet from an overwhelming force of brutal killer alien dogs and not a lot of options. he can't rely on anyone else there, he can't put down the gauntlet, he has to get it to its destination immediately before he gets mauled and shredded to death within literal seconds, which would result in the entire universe being murdered
"just knock them out" isn't good writing
Like, he's Spider-Man dude, he can just do Spider-Man stuff. He can like, dodge them and shoot webs and swing away with some cool CG and a well shot action sequence.
If he didn't use instant kill and somehow got away just using his wit and powers, and someone posted a thread saying "how come Spider-Man didn't use his fancy instant kill mode in Endgame" we would rightly be laughing at them because that's a "why aren't the other Avengers helping" lazy-ass criticism.
You can put Spidey in a situation where he's clearly up against the wall without him shredding dudes with his super suit. That's usually how it goes.
And in the new 52 Justice League comic's first arc they all murdered the hell out of some parademons.Which is funny because in multiple animated appearances (including JLU), Superman and Batman's no-kill codes clearly do not extend to hostile aliens.
I always forget how much Etcetera likes to make out Tony Stark to be a villain , shine on you crazy diamonds.
Wonder Woman's is at her best when she fights with compassion, not violence.I was about to say, Wonder Woman having a no kill rule is news to me.
Pretty sure she drops bodies in the movie
from what we saw in Infinity War, they're essentially mindless beastsNow that I think about it, has Marvel said anything about Thanos creatures? Just because they were in a war doesnt mean they were all bad
What a dumb argument to make. The fate of the entire universe was at stake and the dude is gonna get worried over some bad guys getting got?
Seriously?
Slott talking out his ass and being a hypocrite, again. So glad he's off Spider-Man.
To be honest, much like killing Zod, once you ignore the comic writers meta "no kill" rule it makes perfect justified sense in universe. Peter wouldn't think twice about killing those things, no sane human would. And nothing has been established in these films to say he'd be incapable or agaisnt it.
I personally have more of an issue with how Vulture accidently vaporised that one guy in Homecoming and it just gets litteraly shrugged off and ignored throughout the rest of the movie as it tries to convince us Toome's just a hard done by honestman trying to make ends meet.
Was any of Slott's run good? The few issues I've read strike me as a guy in love with his own voice rather than a good characterization of Spider-Man. Am I off or am I reading the wrong stuff?
Right?!?his defense is such bullshit too
"Peter would come up with a very Peter Parker way out of the situation, because he's Peter Parker!" - in what amount of time? he had literal seconds to react before being mauled to death
"Or he'd get beat up and get back up!" - no he wouldn't, hence the "being mauled to death" bit
Was any of Slott's run good? The few issues I've read strike me as a guy in love with his own voice rather than a good characterization of Spider-Man. Am I off or am I reading the wrong stuff?
It's a fucking war for existence, not a bank robbery. What good would knocking out some aliens do?I agree with Slott. It would not have been dificult to make it like Peter is knocking the aliens out or something, just like he does in the comics.
Was any of Slott's run good? The few issues I've read strike me as a guy in love with his own voice rather than a good characterization of Spider-Man. Am I off or am I reading the wrong stuff?
Imagine thinking that fiction can not be better written, or written in a different way to suit different needs.
"Real life" isn't that simple and there's always gonna be a scenario where you've just gotta kill.
Wade only has one rule in killing:What's way more annoying, personally, is when they PG-13ify murderous characters like Deadpool. Their whole thing is killing fools, don't make them all of a sudden have a moral quandary about the ethics of killing. It's stupid.
That's interesting, I'm completely on the opposite track. Spencer's Peter has been like a breath of fresh air. Feels like himself againI really liked his run a lot much better than the current series by Nick Spencer.
What's way more annoying, personally, is when they PG-13ify murderous characters like Deadpool. Their whole thing is killing fools, don't make them all of a sudden have a moral quandary about the ethics of killing. It's stupid.
Stark included "Insta-Kill" as a last resort to protect a literal child from death. The suit was designed to let the AI do the best to save his life if necessary, because Tony didn't want to live with a dead kid on his conscious.
I actually can't think of a specific example but it's been a while since I've read Deadpool stuff. Maybe I'm thinking about his appearances on cartoons, which makes a lot more sense.Examples? Uncanny X-Force doesn't count. Wade takes issue with Phantomex killing a child.
Was any of Slott's run good? The few issues I've read strike me as a guy in love with his own voice rather than a good characterization of Spider-Man. Am I off or am I reading the wrong stuff?
And in the new 52 Justice League comic's first arc they all murdered the hell out of some parademons.
I actually can't think of a specific example but it's been a while since I've read Deadpool stuff. Maybe I'm thinking about his appearances on cartoons, which makes a lot more sense.
That or I've totally invented this in my head.
This is my feeling about it, too.
Always a last resort, never off the table.
Won't someone think of the murderous hellhounds coming at Peter so their master can kill literally everyone in the universe? My personal morals would go out the window too when I'm up against someone who wants everything dead. Peter had the gauntlet in that moment, he'd be stupid not to try everything.
This is one thing that sucks about Spidey in the MCU. In so many ways he ends up as Tony's puppet. To the point where they literally rip his autonomy away from him time and time again. Sure he's young but he chose to be out there facing down gunfire and shit all on his own without anyone holding his hand. He's as capable as any Avenger.I expected it to show up abd I'm glad it did. Thought it was a cool moment.
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This is how I saw its inclusion in the suit. If things got too hairy for Peter, who is still a kid, Tony would make sure he's well protected at any cost.
#JusticeForMawOh, come on. It's like he wanted to nitpick just so he could act like he knows how to write Spider-Man better.
Thanos's dogs are mindless monsters. Nobody's gonna lose any sleep if Peter kills some of them. He also helped Iron-Man kill Ebony Maw in Infinity War, and I don't see anyone complaining about that.
Tony killed Ebony Maw twice.I always forget how much Etcetera likes to make out Tony Stark to be a villain , shine on you crazy diamonds.
he's not wrong tbh
I didn't really have an issue with it in the movie but peter parker is a hardline never kill hero
supes ain't get away with it in his movie, that's for sure