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Writer Dan Slott talks about Spider-Man's "Instant-Kill Mode" (all MCU Spoilers)
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This reminds me of Injustice when Superman blows up all the Parademons, and Batman throws a fit.
Which is funny because in multiple animated appearances (including JLU), Superman and Batman's no-kill codes clearly do not extend to hostile aliens.
I was about to say, Wonder Woman having a no kill rule is news to me.
Pretty sure she drops bodies in the movie
This is my feeling about it, too.
Always a last resort, never off the table.
If this is his reaction to Peter "killing" the Outriders, he must have had a heartattack when he went ham on the drones in Far From Home.
I'm not here to write fan fiction. Just saying that I would like kid spider-man not to kill, and that the movie could have done that if they wanted to.
Yeah, pretty much.
Peter's bloodlust was there from the start. Where's the spider that bit him?
"Spider's dead, Ned."
More like Murder-Man
"Spider's dead, Ned."
More like Murder-Man
And in the new 52 Justice League comic's first arc they all murdered the hell out of some parademons.
I think Stark is basically who Reed Richards is in the comics - a genius that teeters dangerously close to that edge, held back only by the woman he loves. I mean, Stark made a fortune designing and selling weapons to the highest bidder. When he realised just who he was selling those weapons to, he didn't stop making the weapons - he just kept them for himself.
At first it wasn't really an issue but, after New York, Stark totally lost it. Iron Man 3 was pretty clear that he was suffering a lot because of it and was designing dozens of suits because he was terrified of what was out there. Age of Ultron should have shown him that a suit of armour around the world was a terrible idea but, in Endgame, Stark revealed he never stopped believing in the idea. You could even argue EDITH was the realisation of that goal.
Stark might not be a villain but I'm not sure he can be trusted with the things he's capable of making.
Wonder Woman's is at her best when she fights with compassion, not violence.
from what we saw in Infinity War, they're essentially mindless beasts
they started committing mass suicide just to try to open a gap in the energy shield
When everyone talks about the usual top moments in Endgame I usually bring up this scene because I absolutely loved it. It was the perfect time to use it. Mindless enemies even Thanos doesn't care about.
Don't people take the same issue with Resetera's beloved Man of Steel? The bad guy wanted to destroy Earth (or conquer it? whatever) and he couldn't be impeded (as strong as Superman) nor be convinced. Superman had to kill him.
To be honest, much like killing Zod, once you ignore the comic writers meta "no kill" rule it makes perfect justified sense in universe. Peter wouldn't think twice about killing those things, no sane human would. And nothing has been established in these films to say he'd be incapable or agaisnt it.
I personally have more of an issue with how Vulture accidently vaporised that one guy in Homecoming and it just gets litteraly shrugged off and ignored throughout the rest of the movie as it tries to convince us Toome's just a hard done by honestman trying to make ends meet.
I personally have more of an issue with how Vulture accidently vaporised that one guy in Homecoming and it just gets litteraly shrugged off and ignored throughout the rest of the movie as it tries to convince us Toome's just a hard done by honestman trying to make ends meet.
his defense is such bullshit too
"Peter would come up with a very Peter Parker way out of the situation, because he's Peter Parker!" - in what amount of time? he had literal seconds to react before being mauled to death
"Or he'd get beat up and get back up!" - no he wouldn't, hence the "being mauled to death" bit
Peter failing to defend himself adequately at that moment would have meant his immediate death and the likely death of all innocent life in the universe
like, there were actual steaks here
Yeah it makes no sense to throw stones at Peter, but the vaporizing thing always bugged me
Same when Captain Cold killed a guard in Flash, once you kill one you're done for for me
Was any of Slott's run good? The few issues I've read strike me as a guy in love with his own voice rather than a good characterization of Spider-Man. Am I off or am I reading the wrong stuff?
Yes, there's good stuff in there. Overall, it's one of the better runs on Spider-Man because he is actually a pretty good writer. I just don't agree with his take on Spider-Man 100% of the time.
His Silver Surfer run is some amazing stuff
Right?!?
Slott's version of Peter was such an immature man child he might not even have swung in to help like the MCU version did unless forced. MCU Spider-Man is more mature, and he's still a teen! Slott's Spider-Man was an adult. Think about that
Not all of his stories have been terrible, but he writes s terrible Peter/Spider-Man and imo can't say jack about shit
you'll get a variety of answers as Slott seems to illicit a deep seething rage within a certain portion of the spider man fandom
but the first part of his run is good stuff (big time through superior spider man as well as his stuff during the brand new day era, the alpha 3-parter doesn't exist you can't convince me it does) and then it gets shakier after superior spider man with some good points and some bad points
It was a great moment, it was a direct call back to a comedy moment from homecoming.
It was cathartic for the audience who had been waiting to see what instant kill mode even did
it was great for tension building because peter was so scared they weren't going to pull this off that he resorted to using it
It was great.
It was cathartic for the audience who had been waiting to see what instant kill mode even did
it was great for tension building because peter was so scared they weren't going to pull this off that he resorted to using it
It was great.
It's a fucking war for existence, not a bank robbery. What good would knocking out some aliens do?
The only person I feel shouldn't kill (for the most part, Elseworlds, What-If etc. are all well and good) is Batman because it's so intrinsic to the character.
Goody-two-shoes Captain America kills dudes all the time and he's the paragon of virtue in the Marvel Universe.
Goody-two-shoes Captain America kills dudes all the time and he's the paragon of virtue in the Marvel Universe.
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I really liked his run a lot much better than the current series by Nick Spencer.
What's way more annoying, personally, is when they PG-13ify murderous characters like Deadpool. Their whole thing is killing fools, don't make them all of a sudden have a moral quandary about the ethics of killing. It's stupid.
Imagine thinking that stabbing large CGI bugs vs "knocking them out" is the measure of well-written fiction.
Yeah, like when a dangerous bug is in your way and you have shoes on. Not much of a moral dilemma to be honest.
That's interesting, I'm completely on the opposite track. Spencer's Peter has been like a breath of fresh air. Feels like himself again
Examples? Uncanny X-Force doesn't count. Wade takes issue with Phantomex killing a child.
I expected it to show up abd I'm glad it did. Thought it was a cool moment.
Also...
This is how I saw its inclusion in the suit. If things got too hairy for Peter, who is still a kid, Tony would make sure he's well protected at any cost.
Also...
This is how I saw its inclusion in the suit. If things got too hairy for Peter, who is still a kid, Tony would make sure he's well protected at any cost.
I actually can't think of a specific example but it's been a while since I've read Deadpool stuff. Maybe I'm thinking about his appearances on cartoons, which makes a lot more sense.
That or I've totally invented this in my head.
It gets worse, if that's what you're asking.
Slotts Spiderman was a caricature of his own interpretation of Spiderman. There was little to nothing about responsibility or peters good nature driving him to be Spiderman as a central holistic theme of the character, as it had been in the past, rather he focused on exaggurated bulletpoint charactisation features. The quips, being scientifically smart, all of the ancillary stuff that doesn't really matter but was there became the core focus.
I wouldn't mind personally as much if the jokes were ever funny though.
The Parademons in the nu52 are basically drones grown to fight
the only cartoon deadpool appearances I'm familiar with are the Hulk vs Wolverine movie where he's 100% deadpool, getting chopped to pieces and stuff
and his appearance in Ultimate Spider-Man which was great, because he wanted to kill people and talk about murder but couldn't because of TV censors, so he had to say "I'm going to un-alive you" and shit - definitely toned down but in a suitable manner for Deadpool's humor and the show's target audience
It's especially funny when you view these no-kill rules and the way they're broken. In the DC TV Universe, Barry Allen has a strict no-kill rule and will go out of his way to spare even his most dangerous enemies, sometimes forcing his friends to finish them off for him because he's too chickenshit to end things when they need to end.
This all flies out the window as far as people from alternate universes are concerned - he kills villains from Earth-2 all the time and not a word of awareness is spoken as to how Barry is totally cool with murdering John-2 even when John-1 is way more dangerous.
I find it amusing that in one universe Peter got kicked off the Avengers by Wolverine of all people for killing his rogues gallery, even if it didn't end well for him down the line. I guess Kaine will remain the Parker that kills. But Peter does give into his anger when something really sets him off and will either cripple you or kill you. But yeah, regarding Endgame, he literally had no choice, he was getting swarmed. It was kill or be killed. What a stupid thing of Slott to say.
Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what's right.
This is one thing that sucks about Spidey in the MCU. In so many ways he ends up as Tony's puppet. To the point where they literally rip his autonomy away from him time and time again. Sure he's young but he chose to be out there facing down gunfire and shit all on his own without anyone holding his hand. He's as capable as any Avenger.
#JusticeForMaw
Tony killed Ebony Maw twice.
I haven't seen endgame but I think Slott makes an important point. People love to put superheroes who aren't killers in situations where it's impossible for them not to kill and then say: "now what?" Those type of questions have never been interesting as far as i'm concerned.
It's also a little tiring that people nitpick a character's strict no-kill code as if all characters are supposed to share the same logical processes as it's readers.