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Our community has monthly contests for short story writing. Here is the first ever RE Creative Writing Challenge thread https://www.resetera.com/threads/re-creative-writing-challenge-001-a-new-beginning.9027/

Here is the first-ever Poetry Nook thread https://www.resetera.com/threads/re...best-of-times-it-was-the-worst-of-times.9589/. Poetry Nook contests went on hiatus due to lack of support; if you'd like to help revitalize them, let us know. There's also a Permanent poetry thread if you want to post your own or someone else's work or discuss poetry in general.

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WRITING
Tips & Tricks to getting started
Plotting:
No Plot? No Problem
How to Outline During NaPloYoNoMo
Snowflake Method
The snowflake method of character creation (thanks, show me your skeleton):
Funny how much you 'learn' about your characters just by thinking about them for more than ten seconds and filling in the old snowflake method sheet of:
description
short summary
motivation
goal
conflict
epiphany
long summary

Great Posts from this very thread
Flowers' tip on fight scenes
Katana's tips on general writing
Emerson's publishing and review-getting experience


Finally, for those looking for a highly recommended podcast, try out writing excuses. Cyan has been recommending this for years! And fredrancour provided a summary of it here.


Another view of how to cut through the fear and get your novel written. Full blog here.

NaNoWriMo - National Novel Writing Month happens in November of each year, and in between Novembers there are sponsored NaNo Camps and other motivational tools for getting the first draft done. Sign up for an account on their website http://www.nanowrimo.org/ And get regular spam reminders about your goals!
2017 ResetEra NaNo Thread
2018 ResetEra NaNo Thread
2019 NaNo Thread
2020 NaNo Thread
2021 NaNo Thread
2022 NaNo Thread
2023 NaNo Thread

Software for Writers
Pooh said:
(https://www.dabblewriter.com/)
I started using it this weekend. There are some nice things about it.... You can write in browser, cloud storage for your novel being the big one for me. It's nice to be able to write from wherever. It also has a plot board thing where you can see where plot points line up, which seems like a really cool feature but unfortunately it doesn't seem like you can drag+drop them to rearrange the order, which really sort of kills the feature for me.

Still, not bad. And it automatically updates your wordcount on Nano for you.
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Q10
Write or Die

GETTING UNSTUCK
Can't think of names for people, places, or things? We just googled these, try some options.
https://www.behindthename.com/random/
https://www.fantasynamegenerators.com/
https://www.name-generator.org.uk/
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PUBLISHING
FIRSTSTRIKE'S SELF PUBLISHING ADVICE (click to expand)
Self-Publishing
1. Write the damn book. This sounds asinine, I know, but many writers never actually finish their book. If you want to self-publish you'll need to force yourself to sit down and actually write it.

2.Okay, so you finished the book. Fuck yeah! Now what? You have several options at this point.
-- Jump straight into edits. Go back over the entire novel and fix up grammar/spelling errors, plot holes, and general inconsistencies in your writing.
-- Join a website, such as http://critiquecircle.com and submit your work for critiquing. This will get you valuable feedback from other, more experienced writers, which can help you advance as a writer. It's also free.
-- Invest several thousand dollars into an professional editor who will do most everything for you.

3. Editing is done, woohoo! Time to pub-- not quite. Now, it's time to get some beta readers. The point behind this is to release your book to a small, concentrated group of readers that are a fan of your genre. There's tons of them on the internet, but you can easily find them in places like http://librarything.com or http://goodreads.com. These readers will then give you feedback on the novel and if you're satisfied with the results, you can consider the manuscript finished. This means that you need to stop editing it. No, really. Stop editing. Some people can't ever get past the editing phase. If the results are unsatisfactory, then of course, you would go back to the drawing board.

4. Marketing. Yes, you want to start this before the book comes out. Contact bloggers to arrange blog tours, reviews, interviews, etc. You're going to want to get hype out on sites, prepare a press release and distribute it using a free or paid service like http://prweb.com or http://send2press.com. The more hype you generate before the book comes out, the greater your sales will be.

5. Now, if you're up to this point - the manuscript is done. Congratulations, you've passed a milestone that many writers never achieve. So, now it's time to get your cover ready. This is one of the most important parts of the book. If your cover looks like shit, everyone will assume your book is shit too. If you have the skills to do a cover yourself you'll be able to save a lot of money; if not, then prepare to fork out some cash for a professional artist. http://h3.abload.de/img/roncover_smallt9dv2.jpg, for example, cost me $500.00. That may be a bit steep for some of you, though. There are artists that will do it for cheaper, but the quality and talent tends to vary greatly. I recommend going to sites like http://deviantart.com in order to find an artist that matches your style and budget.

6. Once the cover is done you'll need a catchy blurb that will appear on the back cover (if doing paperback) or on the sites that you plan on listing the novel in ebook format. This, for many authors, is one of the hardest parts of writing; they need to somehow compose a 200 - 400 word blurb about their book that makes it sound exciting and unique from other books in their genre. It can take a lot of tweaking to get this right, so I recommend you head back to sites like http://critiquecircle.com to get some help and feedback on this.

7. The manuscript is complete, the book cover is done, and you have the blurb just the way you want it. Rock on. It's time to put it all together at the site of your choice. There are many options available, but I'll list a few here. I recommend researching each to see the costs/benefits and which will suit you best.
http://lulu.com
http://createspace.com
https://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/signin" target="_blank
http://bn.com/pubit" target="_blank
http://www.smashwords.com
http://draft2digital.com from Elfforkusu: So... for those of you who don't know about d2d, it's basically exactly like SmashWords, but in an alternate universe where SmashWords didn't suck.
Using Calibre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UleliXvKcz0 by conkersbadfurday


I'm only listing the most popular ones here which have no real upfront costs and will get your book(s) out to the widest audience. 95%, or more, of your sales will be on Amazon. For paperback, you'll need to buy a proof copy, but otherwise there's no cost you at all from either Lulu or CreateSpace.

8. Pricing your novel is now the last part you need to worry about. If you're listing it in ebook format, the pricing should depend on the length. However, you do need to take into consideration the fact that you're likely an unknown author that nobody has ever heard of. I listed my book at an initial price point of $0.99, for example, and then raised it up to $2.99 (it's still selling at that) and this is a 114,000 word novel. A lot of people frown on $0.99 novels, as they have a certain stigma of being terribly written books filled with grammar and spelling errors, up to the point of being unreadable. So, take that into consideration.

9. The book is listed and you're now ready for people to start buying it. Now what? Well, if you did the marketing that I recommended earlier they should already be homing in on it and buying it. If not, then you're going to want to go into marketing overload and get as many bloggers and reviewers on board. Also, if you can somehow get onto a radio show do that; radio sells books more than anything else for some reason. Make use of social media, such as twitter, facebook, etc. You want to gain followers.

Important: Some authors go around to various communities and spam their books. This will not sell your books. You're much better off mingling with the people in the community and getting to know them. Odds are they'll take an interest in you and your book(s) naturally.

Try not to hover over the refresh button that tracks your sales. You might not even get any in the first week. There are people that sell just a few copies of their novel after it's been released; don't be surprised if this happens to you. Some people get addicted to this and depressed when they're not suddenly selling thousands of copies of their books. Remember, you're a drop in the bucket in the book world. You need to build a name for yourself. How do you do that? Keep writing and releasing books. The more books you have out, the more likely someone will find and read them. If they like what they read then they'll probably buy your other books too. So, keep that in mind.

This is a process that never really ends. You need to keep writing and marketing. Publishing agencies have entire teams that do the above, yet as a self-published writer you're basically electing to do all of this yourself. It's a lot of work, but it can greatly pay off in the end if you dedicate yourself to it and, of course, are a good author.
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FIRSTSTRIKE'S TRADITIONAL PUBLISHING ADVICE (click to expand)
Traditional Publishing
1. Write the damn book. Seriously, this step never changes.

2. Edit the book extensively. You want the book in a completed state before you ever query an agent or editor. Send them your best work; this is your first, and possibly, only impression you'll get to make.

3. Research, research, research. Find agents/editors that specialize in the genre you are writing in and make sure you're adhering to the guidelines laid out on their site by your query. Compile a list of contacts and make sure it's accurate. Do not call a Mr a Mrs, or spell their name wrong. They hate that. For some examples of how bad writers fuck up, check out http://slushpilehell.tumblr.com/. The shit you're reading on there is from actual queries.

4. Got your list? Good. Write your query. This, much like the blurb, needs to be written in a way that will make the reader want to actually open your book. You're selling your book here. The whole thing is generally about as long, 200 - 500 words, but it's the first sentence that's most important. Draw your reader in with something that sets your book apart from the slush; and then have the query critiqued before you send it out. You want this to be perfect.

5. Querying agents/editors is a time consuming process. You want to tailor each query towards that specific agent/editor. I'm not going to tell you how to do this as there is literally thousands of articles available at your fingertips with a simple google search that will tell you exactly how to write a query letter. Adding just a touch of personalization goes a long way with them. I advise you to do about 25 at a time to gauge the response to your query. If you get no requests for even a partial of your manuscript then you may want to tweak the query and try the next batch.

6. Rejection. It's going to happen. You might even pass 100 rejections and be no further than you were previously. Remember, the people you're querying have to think that they can make money off your book. If they don't think it'll sell then no matter how good the book is, you probably will end up with a rejection letter (or in some cases no response at all).

7. The waiting game. When waiting for agents/editors to respond don't constantly email them. If they have a specific period on their website, which most do, that states when it's OK to check on the status of your query then wait until that time has come lest you invoke their fury. Don't call them at their office, follow them home, or drug their cupcakes. It's not going to get your book published. Some people wait up to a year, or in some rare cases, even longer for a response.

8. Okay, so 2 years of your life have passed by and you finally get an offer from an agent. Time to fucking celebrate. But, wait - your book still hasn't actually sold. It's now up to the agent to find a publisher that will buy your book and cut you a fat royalty check. Sometimes they fail, and then you end up starting the process over. If that's the case, return to step #5. Or, step #2 in case you feel that you need to further improve the book to get it to sell.

What if you don't make it? What if you can't get an agent/publisher? Well, your only other option is to self-publish, or become an Indie author as we're called now. There used to be a stigma over self-publishing, that it was just a dumping ground for crappy books. This is no longer the case; in fact, it's become much more respected thanks to authors stepping up to the plate and improving their game. There's many fantastic Indie books out there, and some authors have had great success with their novels and are sitting on fat royalty checks with all the middlemen cut out. This is, of course, not the norm. But, it can certainly happen.
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Shoeless said:
If you're interested in doing a decent search of literary agencies, try using the Query Tracker website for useful stats on various agencies, and if you want more in depth "dirt" on what each agency is like, ask around the Bewares & Recommendations sub-forum of Absolute Write. There's literally years worth of writers there sharing their experiences with different agencies, so it's a great resource for finding out whether you're interacting with a reputable agency, or one that's a scam.
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I'm going to try to participate more this time around instead of just lurking. Well, actually, I should write instead of lurking...
 
NameUser

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I'll be in here a lot. Been self-publishing for a few years. Just quick novellas and serials, but I'm about to write my first novel during NaNoWriMo. Will post updates! :)
 
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Howdy. I like to do screenwriting and publishing via kindle. I look forward to the development for this thread.
 
Emerson

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Nice to see some of you again.

I just finished up the third draft of my novel and sent it off to my harshest critic, my dad. Meanwhile today I banged out an outline for the next (unrelated) novel and hope to start that while on vacation next week.
 
Alt183

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Glad to see this community again. It's been a while. Not a lot of good communities out here for this, so I'm going to try and get more active here.
 
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Glad to see a lot of familiar faces. I hope to return with more fiction writing soon.
 
FlowersisBritish

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Fiction said:
Alright I'm here. I am so not doing nano this year but I can at least PRETEND I am a writer.
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Cyan said:
Of course you are, it's right there in your name!
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Mike said:
Man, always super jelly to see other people get published. But congrats!
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I was going to make a joke about how you could always publish on livejournal....
and then i found out that not only is livejournal still a thing (sorta) it is now russia owned (since 2007) and is still the 258th most popular site o.O

anyways if you keep trying I am sure eventually you will get published :)
 
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Missed you guys. Though I haven't exactly written much since 2015. Life events have kind of sapped my motivation, but hope to get back into it eventually. Got a million ideas that are growing by the day.
 
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Trying to complete a 90,000+ word first draft during November. Hoping my hands don't fall off. I've never written more than 40k words in a month. Been putting this novel off for years because I never felt good enough. So I stuck to trashy romance and erotica to pay the bills, which is getting harder to do since Amazon keeps lowering the payout for Kindle Unlimited page reads. Think it's at $0.0044 a page now. Think I'll go wide with the novel if I finish it.
 
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NameUser said:
Trying to complete a 90,000+ word first draft during November. Hoping my hands don't fall off. I've never written more than 40k words in a month. Been putting this novel off for years because I never felt good enough. So I stuck to trashy romance and erotica to pay the bills, which is getting harder to do since Amazon keeps lowering the payout for Kindle Unlimited page reads. Think it's at $0.0044 a page now. Think I'll go wide with the novel if I finish it.
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I didn't realize erotica was that profitable.
 
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lmcfigs said:
I didn't realize erotica was that profitable.
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It can be very profitable. If you look at the Erotica charts on Amazon you'll see that all the top books are in KU and most are novellas. Like romance readers, smut lovers are insatiable. So if you can crank them out at a fast rate you can make some decent money. I went full time writing after doing it for a few months in 2014. Sadly after the payout change my income dropped by 40% and I had to get a part time job to make up the difference. Kinda sick of it now. Could've had a few "real" novels out under my real name by now instead of cranking out dozens of books about billionaire shapeshifters.
 

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wooo time to lurk the hell out of these threads all over again. bracing for nano. i always wear mmy influences on my sleeve for it, and this year the influence is the magnus archives. how hard can it be to write a framing story and pile of associated shorts in a mo- oh god.
 
Wandering Robot

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I think I posted just once in the former thread, but hello and good luck to everyone doing NaNo this year! I have another project underway and won't be participating.
 
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