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WSJ: Nintendo to Launch Two New Switch Models. Premium "Enhanced" Model and Cheaper Portable Model.
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"I want to have my own Nintendo Switch console" basically means personally device.
But of course, like he wrote, not every person will buy Switch just for itself or for instance Switch Mini/Pocket, some will have Switch Mini/Pocket and regular Switch, some only regular Switch, some only Switch Mini/Pocket...there will be of course be people that will have multiple Switch units per house, so this software update makes sense in any case.
Damn, I hopped we want continue with this any more. :D
That dont change nothing, sales were very good despite they didnt had big game most of year, only real big games were released in Q4 of year and that was main reason why they ddint hit they goal, and just with much stronger lineup this year and possible bundles, sales would be better this year in any case than they were last year even with same price point. Of Course any kind of revision (and price point of that revision can only effect on stronger sales).
How much Switch costs in your country is irelevent, we know that current Switch in Europe, US and Japan is around $300/euros, and thats price point I taking about.
Actually you giving consumers that don't need hybrid nature of Switch low price option, thats hole point of Switch Mini/Pocket revision,
to others that care about current Switch you gaving higher value for same price point and potential bundle.
Offcourse there is market for handheld revision, one of main reasons why Switch is selling so great is handheld side of Switch, I mean 3DS sold 75m units.
Switch in any case is very different to PS4, so how much Switch costs compared to PS4 is irrelevant (espacilly now when PS4 sales are slowing down and entering its last years), from Switch launch we saw that both PS4 and Switch are selling great in same time.
They needed to change a little name, 2DS and 3DS are very similar names, and every person said that "Switch" would get something like "Pocket/Go/Mini.." in naming with its low price point revision.
It doesnt really matter, point is that in both cases you couldn't play every game on every revision, and that fact is that we talking about same platform.
Well you are obviously wrong, he did said designs different from the original and you'd be surprised, and based on people (not based on one person):
"My latest on new Nintendo Switch coming as early as this summer. There would be two models, and people who've seen them said designs of new devices are "different from the original and you'd be surprised".
That's actually main report from WSJ, you cant really stick to info that you likes and ignore part that you dont like and thats not in line with your way of thinking.
So yeah, we obviously talking about different kind of designs, at least based on WSJ report.
Again wrong, those games are made with family play on mind, not for handheld users, thats why those games dont support handheld play in first place, so nothing really changes.
And no, 1% of games don't change nothing, especially when we don't talk about biggest and most popular Switch games (Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart, Pokemon, Splatoon, Animal Crossing) in any case.
That doesnt change anuthing about what I wrote, they have some differences, but differences going in favour of my point because 3DS will be dead this year and Nintendo will not have low price offer for handheld users any more, $200 Switch/Mini pocket would fit perfectly like market replacement for 3DS on market.
3D was biggest feature of 3DS and they cut in order to have low price 3DS offer, point of SNES games is that they couldn't be played with low price point revision.
Yeah, I also think we will find soon enough, in next 2 month latest.
Thing is that Switch is only Nintendo platform going forward, from this year they will not have any more two platforms like before,
with that on mind they will have multiply kind of revisions and price points that are all parts of same platform, Switch has much more potential for different kind of revision and price points than 3DS (that had 5 of them) ever had. :)
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Not really. It's a standard accessibility feature available on pretty much literally everything out there (including PS4 and Xbox One). It's not just for small displays, but rather for poor vision in general. It's less a sign of potential future hardware and more Nintendo being far behind the curve on accessibility options.
Absolutely ridiculous to put GameBoy Color games on this list. It was for all intents and purposes an entirely new console which came out nine years after the original GameBoy. It cannot be compared to the DSi and New 3DS.
Also, important to note that we got like five exclusive retail games for the DSi and New 3DS, and none of them sold very well. Switch Pro isn't getting exclusive games.
Can someone explain why this points to a handheld ONLY Switch as opposed to a dockless SKU that can still switch?
I'm repeating myself here from several pages ago, but it says "designs" which can mean anything. If does not specify form factor, but I agree with you that it is likely that is changed at least a little if they change the design in any way, especially if they introduce two different models.
And: What is surprising to his sources and Mochi himself is up to them. We may not find the designs surprising at all.
I can. Right now, I have 1 Switch that I share with the kids & wife. If a new Switch came out that was better in portable mode, I'd be tempted to buy it, transfer all of my saves over to the new Switch (since I rarely use the Switch outside handheld mode) & leave the existing one as the family Switch.
Cool hope they reveal it soon , i was thinking that nintendo would do a switch lite but only handheld
Remember when people tried to draw the same lines when this video came out
You can already do that operation with a system transfer that moves your profile, along with all of your saves. What they specifically added in this update, was an ability to just transfer the save files for an individual game. It does seem like the kinda thing that would be targeted to someone with multiple switches.
Man, if a 1080p screen of text and icons is breaking the bank we best outlaw menu screens in games while we're at it.
I don't, in any case WSJ specifically saying that Switch revision/s is coming this year and that we would know about that by E3,
so if thats true timing now has have much more sense than it had before.
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So guies, how doomed is the switch pro now?
I do think, however, that the "surprise" third party ports will come to an end given the specs of the PS5 and the XBO2. At least until the Switch 2 in 2021 or some shit. How much longer the PS4 and XBO will be support will dictate a lot on that. But, if anyone has any other system, this will largely be a non-issue
I do think, however, that the "surprise" third party ports will come to an end given the specs of the PS5 and the XBO2. At least until the Switch 2 in 2021 or some shit. How much longer the PS4 and XBO will be support will dictate a lot on that. But, if anyone has any other system, this will largely be a non-issue
The PS4 and XB1 will get support until holiday 2022 IMO. That is the same timeline as a Switch 'Pro2' should release, as long as the Switch 'Pro' is capable of getting 720p support of 4K PS5 games, it shouldn't be hard to see support for the Switch Pro continue through 2024. It's been part of the iteration talks for a while now and nothing has changed. I'm still interested to see just how custom Navi is with it's Ray Tracing, because standard programmable shaders can do Ray Tracing and Cerny talked about Sound via Ray Tracing, to me that says that they will not have a very robust performance with it on. Heck it might even hold back performance of these new consoles, as we know that Ray Tracing can tank game performance, meaning that a Switch Pro might have a game run pretty well without ray tracing, while PS5 has it on.
It's really wait and see at this point, but if that Pastebin is correct about 14TFLOPs, it's going to be a similar gap to what we see now, as long as developers push 4K or Ray Tracing.
I'm not very interested in litigating this obvious truth but I'll just say Nintendo considers GBC an upgrade revision. And I think their opinion has just a wee bit more bearing than yours.
I expect Switch Plus or whatever it's called will get far fewer 1st party exclusives than n3DS, GBC or DSi. 3rd party may end up a different story but that probably depends on the spec bump itself.
I do agree here, Switch isn't limited like previous handhelds, it's a full featured desktop architecture with enough grunt for modern games, so Nintendo needing more power to meet some minimum requirement is hard to believe right now, I'd say that 3 years from now, that might change, which is another reason why iteration hardware is a more obvious move for Nintendo than anyone else. It won't hurt to keep their current userbase when seeking third party support either.
Nintendo has the GB and GBC in the same group here while GBA is a separate one.
So officially, yeah, it's just an upgrade.
I don't see Nintendo making any exclusives for Switch pro.
DSi was due to digital storefront not being accessible on the original DS.
New 3DS were just two titles from nintendo? Xenoblade which wasn't really exclusive, but was ported from the Wii so theoretically a port wouldn't be possible on the OG 3DS.
FE Warriors was New 3DS exclusive, but also on Switch.
For now, there are no nintendo platforms more capable than Switch so nothing to downport from. Perhaps they'll ok it with a switch successor
"Not necessarily so that each person will have one, but so that each household will have multiple Nintendo Switch consoles"
Doesn't sound like personal device to me but rather many Switches shared across the family.
I think the debate is great, I don't care about being wrong, I'll buy whatever they release lol
Again, I don't think we will reach its third year with the same price as its release, they'll need to offer a cheaper version or get a price drop just like they've done with every single device so far. A handheld-only Switch Mini doesn't solve that problem, there's probably people who want a Switch, not a handheld only, but won't spend 330 euros on it. It's unlikely they will release the Pro Switch at 250 euros.
How is the european price irrelevant? It released at 330 euros, you can find it now somewhere for 310 or even 300 but that's with the current model which is more than two years old already, I expect this new model that will replace the current one to be at 330 euros again. Where's the cheap Switch?
Them not caring about the hybrid functions doesn't mean they can't enjoy all of the games if they ever felt like playing them.
I'm not comparing Switch to PS4, what I'm saying is that if some parents want to get a home console for their kids and see the Switch is at 330 and the PS4 is 200 then they might get the PS4 instead, I'm sure it's happening quite often. Switch's great library and its functionality has made lot of people preffer a 330 euros Switch with no game rather than a 200 euros PS4 with 3 games bundled.
But they did change the name, it kept the DS because it had two screens, it was still a dual screen handheld, only without 3D. What is a Switch that doesn't Switch? It's simply a Nintendo Vita/GBA. I don't see how that would be attractive in 2019 when everyone is playing on smartphons, they need to offer something else apart from a great game library.
And you're wrong, you could play every single game on the 2DS. It's the New models that got exclusive games and they released later on anyway.
Different designs, same exact console. The Switch could get a different design and still be a Switch. It could have the same design, only with attached joy-cons, and it wouldn't be a Switch. Also, it's talking about both models.
It does change. I don't think Nintendo will sell a console to families and not use that chance to promote the games they've made for families, it would be silly not to. They make most of the money from games, it would be weird if they sold a console for kids but kept the kids games for the premium model, they'll obviously want kids to get games like Labo, Super Mario Party or Let's Go.
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/index.html
Mario Party is there on the 7th. 1-2 Switch won't be on the list next time but it's the 8th best selling game anyway so far. Also, games like Odyssey or Let's Go, while playable in handheld mode, make a big use of motion controls, they were a big part of its marketing campaign. And as I've said before, they're games they'll want the audience of the cheaper Switch to buy. Imagine they released a Pro Switch that can't play Metroid Prime Trilogy and Metroid Prime 4, it's just 1%, so who cares?
Who is saying they shouldn't have a low price point console for people who mostly care about portability? I just don't get why this has to automatically mean it removes its hybrid functionality.
The 3D wasn't the 3DS biggest feature, it was an optional gimmick, it didn't affect gameplay and it wasn't even promoted by Nintendo itself. SNES games released in 2016, the 2DS released in 2013.
Agree, but why should those cheaper options not be a Switch?
I guess it will all depend how they market this new model. If they aim it at core gamers who simply want to play BOTW on the go like some kind of Nintendo Vita then it's fine, but if they market it at kids and families I can tell you they'll confuse a lot of consumers. I've given the same example many times but I really wonder how some parents will feel when they buy Pokemon SwSh, Labo, Mario Party and this new cheaper Switch aimed at families and kids they've seen on TV and find out they can't play some of the games.
Switch Pro will get many exclusive games if the cheaper model abandons the modularity of the Switch.
Thats a point, fact is that they dont need, current sales proves that and sales can only be stronger with heavy hitters releasing, not to mentione potential bundles and improved revision.
In most of Europe price is 300 euros not 330, you can easily find for around 300 euros in biggest markets of Europe, look for isntance Amazon for France, Germany, Spain. Your country is not hole Europe, your country is just one part of Europe.
Them dont care about things they dont need or want means they are not willing to pay so much for things they dont need or want.
You comparing price points, and price point does not matters when we talking about very different platforms and games.
They changed name one number, with 2 instead of 3, yeah night and day difference. :D
Offcourse that they need to have 2 screens with revisions also because games are designed to work on two screen, same cant be said for Switch concept and games, 99% of games could be played only in handheld mode or only in docked mode.
No they dont, 3DS proves that, and Switch has much bigger and stronger games than 3DS had, and Switch actualy offers something that phones dont,
and thats full home console games on to go.
No I am not, point is that not every game could be played on every 3DS revision, thats my point.
You need to realise that Switch is more than just one concept, Switch is a platform, and if you have revison thats part of platform and plays same games (at least 99% of games) offcourse you cant have some totally different name, Switch would need to be part of that naming in any case.
First your point is that we don't talk about different design, so you are obviously wrong. It could, but with all infos we having it doesnt look like that at all, at least for low price point offer.
Already answered, point of Switch Mini/Pocket are not family buyers (unless we talking about familys with multiply kids where every kid gets its Switch), I mean every info we having saying that we talking about handheld focused revision with cut features for single player expariance, that oposite to games you keep mentioning because main point of those games are multiplayer, TV play and sharing Joy Cons. There is reason why those games cant be played in handheld mode.
Yeah 7th, not 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or even 6.
Motions controls are optional with reason.
You missing point again, those games are not playable even now in handheld mode, so nothing changes for people that wants only handheld play.
I answered that few times to you, because if Nintendo wants notcible cheaper, smaller, more durable, more handheld focused revision,
best way to do that is by making revision that has built in controls.
Fact it is, is also only difference compared to DS, I mean they even named 3DS because 3D.
Doesn't matter when SNES was released, point is that cant play SNES games on 2DS.
Market would be simple, playing biggest Nintendo games (Zelda BotW, Mario Kart, Splatoon 2, Mario Odyssey, Smash Bros, Pokemon Lets Go, Mario Maker, Animal Crossing..) and biggest 3rd party games (Skyrim, Doom, Wolfenstein, Diablo 3, Rocket League, Dark Souls, Fortnite, Mortal Kombat..) in handheld only mode for less money.
I dont because I am forced to constantly bring over and over same clear points or facts, while on other hand your point are very offten wrong,
so I actually think this is pointless, so I will not continue any more with this.
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Is there any updates on any trophy system for the Switch? Maybe in the more powerful version of the console?
My question is what about game carts cost. Still looking for big AAA titles like next GTA maybe a dream. There is optimizations but still thinking this issue is keeping switch from getting big titles.
Flash media is tumbling in price, cart cost issues won't stop games from coming in 2 or 3 years when next gen revs up.
Most developers still haven't jumped above the 16GB cart bandwagon. Hopefully they do by the end of the year. Maybe a switch pro could give then a reason too? But then again if we get compatibility with switch OG games and switch pro gets enhanced textures, they could just release via patch on eshop anyway
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Still, if the PS5 is targeting 4K@60fps (or even 120fps, native 8K should be out of reach even if Cerny talked about 8K output), the NSW2 (in 2021? 2022? 2023?) needs only 1/8 GPU power to be able to play those at 1080p@30fps (with the same effects? except ray tracing). Might be possible if we are talking about ~1.75 TF (14/8) the Switch would need. Bandwidth and CPU may be larger problems.
EDIT: Some clarification that I did not mean the NSW+ but the NSW2. NSW+ might be fine for some downports of cross-gen titles, but that's another topic.
EDIT: Some clarification that I did not mean the NSW+ but the NSW2. NSW+ might be fine for some downports of cross-gen titles, but that's another topic.
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Hmm, I think that the way the market and gaming history treats the GBC is more concrete than what "Nintendo thinks", which we have such limited information on anyway compared to what everyone else thinks it ends up being pretty irrelevant. Look at the wiki pages, games listings, articles, reviews, press reports etc about the GB and GBC. Then look at the same for the DS and DSi, or the 3DS and New 3DS. Notice any difference?
Also, look up the definition of 'litigating' before you use it next, lmfao.
You realise that 3rd parties can't just do what they like, right? Nintendo have to actually allow them to make exclusive games for the Switch Pro, which they're clearly not going to do, two years into the lifespan of their most successful console since the Wii.
A) you know that's not what I meant, and B) if it has attached JoyCons, you can simply buy other JoyCons separately. It won't make games like Mario Party 'exclusive', it'll just mean you can't play them out of the box, like many games in the past which have required additional peripherals.
There's so much more to the PS5 than just a resolution bump, that I think it's very unrealistic to think you can just bump a game down to 720p and all is well. Do you also believe that third parties will port games that can only run on a Switch Pro? Doesn't seem like a good investment of resources.
Bit of a cross post from another thread:
[Speculation that Nintendo might be launching a switch revision with Mario Maker since it still lacks a release date while many other titles releasing later have one]
Might make sense why so many Nintendo published games are out June/July.
Mario Maker 2, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Dragon Quest Builders 2, and Fire Emblem Three Houses in less than 2 months is overkill unless it's the launch line up for a new revision.
[Speculation that Nintendo might be launching a switch revision with Mario Maker since it still lacks a release date while many other titles releasing later have one]
Might make sense why so many Nintendo published games are out June/July.
Mario Maker 2, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Dragon Quest Builders 2, and Fire Emblem Three Houses in less than 2 months is overkill unless it's the launch line up for a new revision.
You were talking about exclusive games, I guessed it doesn't matter whether it's for power or hardware design. And with a Switch Mini there would be exclusive games. Mario Party is exclusive out of the box and Labo is totally unplayable. DSi had exclusive games but also had a couple of games (Guitar Hero) that you couldn't play with it. I agree with you, I think we won't see exclusive games in this Switch Pro and that they want all games playable across every single Switch device. My guess tho is that some games will simply not run so well on the cheaper model so they'll kinda force people to get the so-called Pro model if interested in 3rd party games or stuff like Metroid, while casual/family games like Mario and Animal Crossing will run the same on both models. Let's say for example that MP4 runs at 600p 30fps on the cheaper model while it's 900p 60fps in the Pro model, I'm sure a kid won't mind about it but some core gamer will be "forced" to get the Pro model.
Fire Emblem was initially going to release sooner. I think a revision is coming sooner than we think tho.
Nintendo won't abandon modularity with the mini, they'll offload it. Like you'll still be able to use joycons and a dock with your mini but you'll have to buy them separately.
And uh, I used litigating correctly? Maybe I'm not the one who needs to look up the definition here?
Your interpretation of "gaming history" is what's actually irrelevant. Unlike Nintendo's position on it, which is hardly a mystery. Look at any of their IR or historical data, according to Nintendo GB and GBC are the same platform.
And uh, I used litigating correctly? Maybe I'm not the one who needs to look up the definition here?
Nintendo's not going to prevent 3rd parties from doing whatever they want with the Plus. If you think otherwise you clearly haven't been paying attention.
If Nintendo gets a hinge design for the portable device, that could be all they need to still call it a Switch. Cause it's like a flip...switch...
As long as there are no exclusive games for subsequent Switch consoles (which I highly doubt there will be after New 3DS) then possible Switch ports will always be held back massively by the 1GHz, 4 core, ARM CPU the current Switch has.
I honestly wouldn't expect many AAA third party games for Switch. It has already shown it can be incredibly successful with Nintendo exclusives, Remasters of old exclusives, indie games, last gen ports and a few choice current gen only games like DOOM and Wolf II (where the environments are relatively small and the games target 60fps on base consoles meaning developers get a lot of rendering time to play with when downporting it to Switch by instead targeting 30fps).
I really don't see the issue. If people want to play the latest and greatest AAA third party games enough then just pick up a cheap PS4 or XB1.
I'm expecting the 'Pro' Switch to have double the GPU flops and memory bandwidth meaning more games hit 720p native in handheld mode and 1080p in docked mode. Nothing more. I doubt the 'Pro' will have much bearing on third party support at all.
The people expecting PS5 / XB2 downports should really temper their expectations. If Switch doesn't get many current gen only PS4 / XB1 ports then it only takes the use of common sense to guess what's going to happen when third parties turn their full attention to the next gen consoles.
I don't agree. I think the Switch has proven 3rd party AAA titles are viable on the platform, even if they do come in late to the party. Not only is it profitable to people who are douple dippers, but they also manage to snag previous people who were on the fence but decided to pass up launch for a "GotY version", such as the case with Dragon Quest XI S.
And its portable, which makes downporting all a more worthwhile endeavor. A game like Hellblade, for instance is perfect on a long plane trip.
I expect deals to be made for 3rd parties to take advantage of "Switch Pro" feature sets. A lot of people here are just assuming a simple spec bump update...
Portable-focused Switch could still support docking. They could cut peak performance and cooling, but let it output portable-mode 720p video to a TV. Keeps the Switch name reasonable. No socketable joycons but you can purchase them separately and there are charging rails on the Switch Lite dock.
Please show me an example of a third party releasing exclusive games on an upgraded system which hasn't been designed or marketed as running exclusive games.
But really, it's irrelevant- if Nintendo aren't going market the console as supporting exclusive games, no 3rd party is going to make exclusives for it as it would be commercial suicide.
Litigate: to ask for a disagreement to be discussed in a court of law so that a judgment can be made that must be accepted by both sides in the argument.
It's a legal term, used outside of that context it sounds absolutely ridiculous and doesn't make sense. You were saying, quite literally, that you didn't want to go to court to settle our dispute. All I can say is that is incredibly kind of you- you are indeed a supreme gentleman.
Uh, you mean like GBC, DSi or n3DS? Switch Plus will be right in line with those, like every Nintendo revision.
I'm not expecting a ton of exclusives here but for the occasional 3rd party port that maybe can't scale down far enough but publishers still want on the platform it can make sense. FFXV or Rage 2 are probably good examples of that. It really depends on how much more headroom the Plus provides though.
Litigate is used outside legal proceedings to imply a general dispute. It's a term of speech.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/litigate
verb (used with object), lit·i·gat·ed, lit·i·gat·ing.
1. to make the subject of a lawsuit; contest at law.
2. Archaic. to dispute (a point, assertion, etc.).
verb (used without object), lit·i·gat·ed, lit·i·gat·ing.
3. to carry on a lawsuit.
Nintendo released first party exclusives on all those devices, as marketed them as having exclusive games. My argument is that if Nintendo don't do all those things, no 3rd party is going to take that risk and release a Switch Pro-only game, if Nintendo would even allow them to, which is debatable. Nintendo obviously have the power to say what is released on their own console. Sony did the same thing, when they stated that there would be absolutely no exclusives for the PS4 Pro.
Do you need me to look up a definition of archaic for you, too?
The CPU is a killer. It'll be a long time before an ARM matches a 8 core 16 thread 7nm Ryzen CPU which will have much better cooling and wattage available. Switch was grand when it was against shitty Jaguar cores.
We've all been so focused on Switch Pro and Switch Mini that the answer was there the entire time, Switch Mini will be a clamshell design for kids called the Switch Flip O:
I think it would be best if they revealed both of these at the same time for people that are unaware that either exist
If they reveal only the portable at e3 and person goes out and buys it when it releases, then just a few months later in September they announce the pro, that person will feel cheated imo that they weren't aware of another version coming out that they could have had another option of buying
I think the average person needs to be aware that both of these exist before they buy one
If they reveal only the portable at e3 and person goes out and buys it when it releases, then just a few months later in September they announce the pro, that person will feel cheated imo that they weren't aware of another version coming out that they could have had another option of buying
I think the average person needs to be aware that both of these exist before they buy one
Nintendo might release Plus exclusives too, we don't know. They didn't launch GBC or n3DS will any exclusives though (DSi did with DSiWare), and exclusives weren't a major part of marketing for any of them, the emphasis was on feature improvements and in the case of GBC/n3DS much of that on how it improves existing software you already own (color palettes, super stable 3D). DSi had probably the greatest emphasis on exclusives (and also the most exclusive software) but even that was isolated to the digital store almost completely. GBC gained exclusives as it went on (and it's success pushed GBA back a year+) but upfront it was very much treated like a Game Boy with a color screen. n3DS never got much in the way of games that took advantage of the hardware (either exclusive or enhanced) but there was still some stuff. It's not difficult to guess what will or won't be permitted in a Switch revision given Nintendo's track record here. Which is far more relevant than what Sony's done.
Wow. You really can't handle being wrong can you?
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