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Oct 25, 2017
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia...an-right-after-he-started-campaign-1509964380

Russian Twitter Support for Trump Began Right After He Started Campaign
In three months after Mr. Trump announced his candidacy, tweets from Russian accounts offered far more praise for the businessman than criticism
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A staff member arranges a display showing a social-media post during a House Intelligence Committee hearing Nov. 1 in Washington. Photo: Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg News

By
Mark Maremont and
Rob Barry
Nov. 6, 2017 5:33 a.m. ET


Kremlin-backed support for Donald Trump's candidacy over social media began much earlier than previously known, a new analysis of Twitter data shows.

Russian Twitter accounts posing as Americans began lavishing praise on Mr. Trump and attacking his rivals within weeks after he announced his bid for the presidency in June 2015, according to the analysis by The Wall Street Journal.

A U.S. intelligence assessment released early this year concluded the Kremlin developed a "clear preference" for Mr. Trump over his Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton, but cited December 2015 as the earliest suspected time that Russian social-media accounts advocated for Mr. Trump.

The earlier starting point of pro-Trump tweets highlights the breadth of the Russian effort to manipulate social media during the 2016 election. Kremlin-paid actors sowed division among Americans with fake pages and accounts, inflammatory postings and thousands of paid ads aimed at both liberal and conservative audiences, according to testimony before Congress last week.

The Journal analyzed 159,000 deleted tweets from accounts that Twitter identified to congressional investigators as operated by the Kremlin-backed Internet Research Agency.

Twitter said it has suspended all 2,752 of the accounts, which removes their tweets from its platform. Congress released the names of the accounts on Nov. 1, during hearings on Russian interference in the 2016 elections.

In the three months after Mr. Trump announced his presidential candidacy on June 16, 2015, tweets from Russian accounts reviewed by the Journal offered far more praise for the real-estate businessman than criticism—by nearly a 10-to-1 margin. At the same time, the accounts generally were hostile to Mrs. Clinton and the early GOP front-runner, Jeb Bush, by equal or greater margins.

The Journal pieced together the deleted tweets from data it has collected as well as that provided to the Journal by several researchers. The records contain at least one tweet from more than 2,000 of the accounts.
 

gozu

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Oct 27, 2017
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Oh wow, 2800 accounts, real bang on job Twitter

I wouldn't blame twitter. To be fair, we don't know how the Russians covered their tracks. And even if they didn't, We didn't really know twitter and facebook could shape elections until after Trump got elected. So why would any company spend money and time devising defenses to a problem they don't believe in?

Hindsight is 20/20.
 

Icekilla

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Oct 27, 2017
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What can be done to prevent this type of shit in the future? Banning twitter from russian ip's or to to maybe to classify tweets like this as russian properganda with a warning.
 

gozu

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What can be done to prevent this type of shit in the future? Banning twitter from russian ip's or to to maybe to classify tweets like this as russian properganda with a warning.

This needs sophisticated machine learning algorithms to detect suspicious activity and a good reporting system that allows users to quickly and efficiently finger trolls. This last part is hard because you also have to prevent users from gaming the system and colluding to finger innocent people.
 

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This needs sophisticated machine learning algorithms to detect suspicious activity and a good reporting system that allows users to quickly and efficiently finger trolls. This last part is hard because you also have to prevent users from gaming the system and colluding to finger innocent people.
Just pay competent people to review reports, with priority on accounts that get reported the most.
 
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Just_a_Mouse

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Oct 27, 2017
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Now add the Reddit and Facebook russian operatives to that. You would have to be in complete denial not to see how Putin manipulated the election in Trump's favor.
 

LukeOP

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Oct 27, 2017
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I wouldn't blame twitter. To be fair, we don't know how the Russians covered their tracks. And even if they didn't, We didn't really know twitter and facebook could shape elections until after Trump got elected. So why would any company spend money and time devising defenses to a problem they don't believe in?

Hindsight is 20/20.


The paradise papers have shown that twitter has been heavily invested by Russian oligarchs during their early days. Facebook too.

They knew.
 

Luxorek

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Oct 25, 2017
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Trump winning the election made me realize how susceptible the people are to the ideas they are exposed in the their social media. Now that I think about it, it was obvious. It was just a matter of time before someone realized Facebook, Twitter and others could be used to stir dissent and influnce local politics.
 

AnansiThePersona

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Oct 27, 2017
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How much more proof of this do we need? The tattoo of Putin on Trump's ass?
 

xbhaskarx

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm surprised WSJ is even reporting this, just a week ago they ran an editorial that Trump should preemptively pardon everyone involved, including himself, regarding the Russian collusion, to end Mueller's investigation.
 

NihonTiger

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm surprised WSJ is even reporting this, just a week ago they ran an editorial that Trump should preemptively pardon everyone involved, including himself, regarding the Russian collusion, to end Mueller's investigation.

Different things. Editorial is not the newsroom. The latter is journalists; the former is the rich white male ownership and almost always is Republican.
 

adamblue

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Oct 24, 2017
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What can be done to prevent this type of shit in the future? Banning twitter from russian ip's or to to maybe to classify tweets like this as russian properganda with a warning.

Luckily, Facebook had something in place for the French and German elections after what it learned from the US election. I wouldn't be surprised if Twitter had the same. A lot of this is being kept under wraps, for a reason.
 

XMonkey

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Oct 26, 2017
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I wouldn't blame twitter. To be fair, we don't know how the Russians covered their tracks. And even if they didn't, We didn't really know twitter and facebook could shape elections until after Trump got elected. So why would any company spend money and time devising defenses to a problem they don't believe in?

Hindsight is 20/20.
No, we should blame Twitter. They know what's going on and they actively choose not to do anything about it because it's convenient for them to have all these bots and agitators drive traffic.
 

MasterChumly

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Oct 25, 2017
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Obviously this is well beyond just promoting "chaos" as people have tried to push in the past. They clearly had a single candidate they wanted to win (Donald trump). They didn't like Clinton or the other republican candidates.
 

mopinks

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Oct 27, 2017
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Obviously this is well beyond just promoting "chaos" as people have tried to push in the past. They clearly had a single candidate they wanted to win (Donald trump). They didn't like Clinton or the other republican candidates.
promoting Trump and promoting chaos are pretty much the same thing, though
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Twitter seems worse at connecting two dots than the average user tbh or they knew this was going on and let it happen.
 

Russian-Agent

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For every dollar anyone spent on twitter to promote Trump, Clinton received 1,000x more, from US sources and abroad. It seems she was even less appetizing to US voters across the board than Trump. Only California adopted her as their mascot. For us foreigners, he's infinitely more entertaining. Reading his twitter feed (and the responses) is quite fun, seems there is a war of words on and everybody is invited.
 

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Almost like this was all planned years in advance...

It's been in the works since Trump visited the Soviet Union in the late 80s.
 

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Luckily, Facebook had something in place for the French and German elections after what it learned from the US election. I wouldn't be surprised if Twitter had the same. A lot of this is being kept under wraps, for a reason.
French elections on twitter were horrible with all the fake news, bots and false flag accounts
For every dollar anyone spent on twitter to promote Trump, Clinton received 1,000x more, from US sources and abroad. It seems she was even less appetizing to US voters across the board than Trump. Only California adopted her as their mascot. For us foreigners, he's infinitely more entertaining. Reading his twitter feed (and the responses) is quite fun, seems there is a war of words on and everybody is invited.
What a misinformed post.
 

MasterYoshi

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Oct 27, 2017
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For every dollar anyone spent on twitter to promote Trump, Clinton received 1,000x more, from US sources and abroad. It seems she was even less appetizing to US voters across the board than Trump. Only California adopted her as their mascot. For us foreigners, he's infinitely more entertaining. Reading his twitter feed (and the responses) is quite fun, seems there is a war of words on and everybody is invited.
Username checks out.
 

Oligarchenemy

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Oct 25, 2017
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For every dollar anyone spent on twitter to promote Trump, Clinton received 1,000x more, from US sources and abroad. It seems she was even less appetizing to US voters across the board than Trump. Only California adopted her as their mascot. For us foreigners, he's infinitely more entertaining. Reading his twitter feed (and the responses) is quite fun, seems there is a war of words on and everybody is invited.
Is this a parody account?
 

Polaroid_64

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Oct 25, 2017
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I wouldn't blame twitter. To be fair, we don't know how the Russians covered their tracks. And even if they didn't, We didn't really know twitter and facebook could shape elections until after Trump got elected. So why would any company spend money and time devising defenses to a problem they don't believe in?

Hindsight is 20/20.

I will blame Twitter.
 

NotGreatBob

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Oct 25, 2017
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For every dollar anyone spent on twitter to promote Trump, Clinton received 1,000x more, from US sources and abroad. It seems she was even less appetizing to US voters across the board than Trump. Only California adopted her as their mascot. For us foreigners, he's infinitely more entertaining. Reading his twitter feed (and the responses) is quite fun, seems there is a war of words on and everybody is invited.
Except for the fact that she received nearly 3 million more votes than Trump.
 

ZeoVGM

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Oct 25, 2017
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For every dollar anyone spent on twitter to promote Trump, Clinton received 1,000x more, from US sources and abroad. It seems she was even less appetizing to US voters across the board than Trump. Only California adopted her as their mascot. For us foreigners, he's infinitely more entertaining. Reading his twitter feed (and the responses) is quite fun, seems there is a war of words on and everybody is invited.

It's kind of a badge of honor that Era already has joke accounts being made.
 

Jarate

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Oct 25, 2017
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This actually might be big news. One of the underlying ideas was that Russia did not have a preferred candidate, they just hated Hilary Clinton. But, if the Russians shilled Trump before he even won the nomination, it shows the error in that logic.
 

Kyzer

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Oct 25, 2017
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?? the problem is bots and the spread of fake news, this can be reported and accounts suspended/deleted

Most of the bots are just posing as Americans that are pro Trump, removing fake news posts would not stop the bots, nor would it be easy considering they would have to hire people capable of vetting news
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I wouldn't blame twitter. To be fair, we don't know how the Russians covered their tracks. And even if they didn't, We didn't really know twitter and facebook could shape elections until after Trump got elected. So why would any company spend money and time devising defenses to a problem they don't believe in?

Hindsight is 20/20.

They knew, their "growth team" wouldn't let them do anything about it.

Twitter Sidestepped Russian Account Warnings, Former Worker Says
In 2015, a manager discovered a trove of accounts with Russian and Ukrainian IP addresses

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ake-russian-accounts-were-not-taken-seriously
 

OrdinaryPrime

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I wouldn't blame twitter. To be fair, we don't know how the Russians covered their tracks. And even if they didn't, We didn't really know twitter and facebook could shape elections until after Trump got elected. So why would any company spend money and time devising defenses to a problem they don't believe in?

Hindsight is 20/20.

I blame Twitter and Facebook for taking Russian money and then being surprised at the results.

The problem with rampant capitalism is the lack of context in situations like these.
 

Salty Rice

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This is really suspicious.

It all adds up. Follow the money.

For every dollar anyone spent on twitter to promote Trump, Clinton received 1,000x more, from US sources and abroad. It seems she was even less appetizing to US voters across the board than Trump. Only California adopted her as their mascot. For us foreigners, he's infinitely more entertaining. Reading his twitter feed (and the responses) is quite fun, seems there is a war of words on and everybody is invited.
Is that you Putin?
 

gozu

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Oct 27, 2017
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The paradise papers have shown that twitter has been heavily invested by Russian oligarchs during their early days. Facebook too.

They knew.

Is there any evidence those oligarchs had influence on Twitter's board/CEO? Do you think Putin directed them to invest in american social media with an eye towards propaganda years ago? Is he smart enough to do that?

Clinton spent a lot of money on social media, Trump used Twitter and continues to use it as a way to send direct messages without media influence and are you unaware of "Correct The Record?" Everyone knew how important social was to this past election.

Twitter and facebook were cowardly and greedy during the elections. Their hesitance to be seen as biased was harmful to democracy in my opinion.


No, we should blame Twitter. They know what's going on and they actively choose not to do anything about it because it's convenient for them to have all these bots and agitators drive traffic.

If that's the case, then they should be harshly punished.

They knew, their "growth team" wouldn't let them do anything about it.

Twitter Sidestepped Russian Account Warnings, Former Worker Says
In 2015, a manager discovered a trove of accounts with Russian and Ukrainian IP addresses

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ake-russian-accounts-were-not-taken-seriously

That is inexcusable and treasonous. I'm guessing nobody will be punished for it.
 

Slayven

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Oct 25, 2017
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Someone tracked Trump's new follows over a few days recently, and they were still 99% bots
 

Paskowitz

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Oct 25, 2017
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For every dollar anyone spent on twitter to promote Trump, Clinton received 1,000x more, from US sources and abroad. It seems she was even less appetizing to US voters across the board than Trump. Only California adopted her as their mascot. For us foreigners, he's infinitely more entertaining. Reading his twitter feed (and the responses) is quite fun, seems there is a war of words on and everybody is invited.

Give the user name... I'm going to take this as satire.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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as I said before, I want the hammer to come down on social media companies hard. I want the ceo/board to get some prison time.

Seizing assets and prison time for the board/owners is the only thing that will send an effective message
 

Slayven

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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/purge-trumps-bots_us_59fc653ce4b09afdf01c4204

The Daily Dot reported recently on something many of us have suspected for months: Donald Trump's infamous and sadly influential Twitter account is propped up by an army of fake followers and bots. The Dot shared data from SocialRank indicating that some 13 million of Trump's followers may be of the fake variety. Or at least they're inactive accounts. That's nearly a third of his followers. A quarter of his followers have never tweeted. Not once. More than 300,000 follow only Trump on Twitter. Suspicious much?
 

Icekilla

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Oct 27, 2017
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Why don't they just ban the fake twitter accounts? It can't look for growth when half of it just fake shit.