He was over well before Mick Foley ever got there though.
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WWE Wrestlemania 35 |Super OT| Then, Now, 4-4-4-4EVER
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He was over well before Mick Foley ever got there though.
This is objectively wrong.
The crowd popped for him when he won the belt from Hogan in 1991.
Back in the Pre WWE Network days, all PPV's ended between 10:45 and 11pm no matter what. Being ready for 10:30 would make sense for that.
I can totally see WWE forgetting to tell them the card is going to run long until last minute.
Out of the names you listed here Undertaker is basically the only Vince creation that actually became a star.
- Ultimate Warrior's entire gimmick was a pre-Vince thing, the only thing Vince changed was one half of the name.
- Razor Ramon was a mid-carder his entire WWF run. He became a bigger star in WCW
- Kane is just Taker Redux and the wrestler also had multiple failed Vince gimmicks before Kane happened.
It takes a Booker to book people to bcomes those stars and Vince book those guys. Did some of the gimmicks fell or were change yes but that's just wrestling
Taker was plenty over in the early stages of his career. When Taker fought Yokuzuna for the title at the Royal Rumble in the ca
I was quite impressed with how loud an open air arena sound during the kofi win. Usually they sound a bit muted due to the loss of sound.
Taker owes his success to Paul Bearer.
Scott Hall came up with the Razor gimmick himself, and besides that, had already been groomed by Verne Gagne and Jim Ross in the AWA and WCW (first stint) as a potential mega star during the second half of the 80s.
I think Razor was a star. He is one of the most recognizable and memorable guys of that era. He was a midcarder during a time when the title was usually dominated by one or two guys and there was far less opportunity to rise up the ranks, but midcarders during that time were still stars and still over (see Mr Perfect or Rick Rude).
To add to your point though, I think Razor probably really started to break out when Scott Hall started to infuse more of his own personality and charisma into the initially one note, one dimensional character WWF creative gave him, and you really started to see this shine when he got to WCW.
To add to your point though, I think Razor probably really started to break out when Scott Hall started to infuse more of his own personality and charisma into the initially one note, one dimensional character WWF creative gave him, and you really started to see this shine when he got to WCW.
On the Taker debate, let us remember that their initial plan for Mark Calaway was him hatching out of the giant egg they were hyping for Survivor Series that year and becoming "The Eggman." Then someone came to their senses just days before the show and they thew together The Undertaker gimmick as a replacement.
Imagine if after Takers final match he crawled back into the egg.
I agree but if you know the ending and whats happening is not the end, make something up. I see plenty of slow ass counts all the time just for that reason. All he had to do was give it a 2.5 and say she lifted her shoulder or something. No one would have cared.
HBK's canned lines combined with some mary jane had me rolling and was a nice distraction from a long boring match.
Also, despite all the pushing of Warrior to the top, torch passing title win at WM 6, he was not a success as top guy. Hell, Hogan was back in the main event by the next WM like he'd never passed the torch at all.
I honestly thought i was entering a fever dream during that match
And they genuinely have stopped counting exactly like that before. I mentioned the Jericho/Neville match earlier as an example, where Jericho rolled Neville up after he broke his ankle to try and finish the match early, but the ref hadn't noticed the injury so didn't realize what was happening. He stopped counting after 2.5 and pretended there was a kick-out when there VERY clearly wasn't, so Jericho lost it and yelled at the ref in front of the entire arena for being so useless at his job =P
Refs do not count to 3 too early. He did his job exactly as asked. Theories about management going behind the girls' backs, and asking the ref to count Ronda out without telling them... could be true. But the most likely truth is that it ended exactly as planned and just wasn't a very good ending.
My biggest suggestion is to give the undercard actual feuds for Mania. Give Usos another legit tag team to feud with. Usos vs Hardyz would've been interesting. Nobody was invested in Joe vs Mysterio or Lashley vs Balor because there was no story behind either.
I remember that match vividly. And I think youre right, it probably was the planned ending. I didnt know Rhonda was injured initially after the match last night, but that may also explain the early/weird ending too.
Either way, I just dont understand how in the main event a botch like that could happen. It had to have been planned that way.
Some of Batista's facial expressions were pretty damn nightmarish and those early gen Mad Max pc cgi also made it a bizzare experience.
I think that's what "Dan" is lol
None of those options are my match of the weekend, but they are some good choices.
Wait so people are discounting the rock because he is mixed? Then Obama isn't the first black president because he is mixed too?
I don't think people are discounting it, but I've seen arguments going the other way where people are saying that Vince only cared about The Rock's Samoan heritage.
I think its the fact that he never acknowledges it and WWE never acknowledges it. During black history month, the Rock is never mentioned.
That's the only part The Rock seems to care about too to be honest. A lot of people probably have no idea he's half black.
I think it's because everyone just kinda primarily thought of Rock as a Samoan.
Samoan heritage is such a big deal in wrestling that people look to it to give rubs to people like Roman Reigns, the Usos, Umaga, or Nia Jax. In hindsight, people look at that as a bigger deal for Rock than him being part Black.
When they all go over on the same night... Yes.
The whole thing was overly scripted, overly long and overly predictable... but that's just me :p
Anyway after that I'm done with pro wrestling. I only watched it once a year anyway lol.
Also, if WWE did acknowledge the Rock as their first black champion, it would kinda make them look bad since they would also have to acknowledge that it wasnt until 1998.
WCW did it in 92. 🤔
WCW did it in 92. 🤔
24 hours ago this thread was predicting a Kofi/Seth/Becky loss and saying there was no chance all three win. :) Oh well. In the end we got an entertaining and above all...ICONIC wrestlemania.
The match quality was awful with some of them just being straight embarrassments.
This was the worst Wrestlemania in the last 10 years
I wish I could wipe 27, 29, 32 and 33 out of my memory like thuway here to reach that conclusion.
You are free to have any opinion you want but I can't really see much to support that. I enjoyed the show immensely, bummer that you did not.
Nocturnowl I'll have to agree there. 29 was pretty poor and 32 was definitely worse...and I'm a sucker for wrestling I attended live but even I can admit the spectacle of 32 made up for the show itself.
Yup, the match quality was overall incredibly low. When your developmental league outshines your biggest show of the year by far, that's a problem.