I would have expected them to have at least twice the revenue if they have at least twice the userbase. Doesn't seem like they are capitalising on their lead as much as the other 2.
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Xbox Fiscal Year Revenue $10.35 billion; ahead of Nintendo $9.7 billion, behind Sony $17.29 billion
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I would have expected them to have at least twice the revenue if they have at least twice the userbase. Doesn't seem like they are capitalising on their lead as much as the other 2.
You need to pay $60/year to play games online, which this gen is basically a mandatory payment now. So a casual player would still spend money on the most profitable thing they're selling, and on top of that they most likely will not be redeeming all the monthly games which is the part that costs the most money to MS/Sony so it's more pure profit for the platform holder.
What does profit have to do with revenue? A casual player buys less things than a hardcore player = less revenue. What I wrote is true.
Are you sure that's how it works ?
To answer the first part of your post, the standard casual plays Fortnite nowadays, so no, they wouldn't necessarily be paying for a PS+ subscription.
Right... so enlighten me. I thought it was quite straight forward.
Hardware sales / install base seems to be important, after all.
That's how it works. The developer payment for having a game on Plus is dependent on how many people actually redeem the game. This was leaked in the Fez financial information when someone hacked the developer for that game. I'm not sure about the equivalent for Xbox Live Gold, but it is likely the same because you can miss Gold games too if you don't redeem them.
Fortnite only blew up this year, and they'll still have to pay for Plus to play the EA sports games.
1.6 billion for Nintendo was Operating Income not profit, profit was 1.3 billion.
It's been pretty common knowledge even ubisoft has said Xbox users spend more than playstation on a per user basis
But that makes sense for multiple reasons (less casuals, more services - EA, game pass, could even include name changes lol). Then the digital % per user is higher too, but that makes sense with things like refunds and the exclusives being more MP focused and making more sense to be bought digitally. Also initiatives like BC add security to your games coming with you to the next gen
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Interesting, thanks. No wonder the selection of games was so meager until recently.
I still think Sony's numbers make sense. Slightly less than double with such a high amount of casual players is pretty impressive to me. Some may pay for online, they still buy a lot less games.
Really curious to see how Nintendo's online will fare.
This is without doubt false. It's just not realistic given the amount of different ways there are to monetize games and services now. Not to mention Xbox has flat out said this is their first 10b
They are selling cardboard for $50 and people bought it.
Real answer I dunno.
Yep... games revenue for 12 Months ending December 2018 is projected to be around $20bn.. but more impressively, Tencent is enjoying a staggering 30-40% y/y top line growth over the last 5 years...a lot of people tend to underestimate how dominant Tencent truly is in the industry so hopefully these numbers can paint a much better picture..
Tencent's online game revenues:
2013: $4.8bn
2014: $6.8bn
2015: $8.7bn
2016: $10.9bn
2017: $15.2bn
2018: $20.0bn (est.)
2019: $24.7bn (est.)
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It is not only Xbox and windows 10 store revenue, it is Microsoft gaming revenue with mobile revenue for example. I think nearly all gaming mobile revenue aren't into Playstation revenue. For example, if I remind well Fate Grand Order iscount inside Sony Music revenue.
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/artic...USD1-8-billion-revenue-for-sony-owned-aniplex
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/artic...USD1-8-billion-revenue-for-sony-owned-aniplex
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That's always going to look like that when you get the masses involved who do not buy as much. Sony is reaping huge rewards, and yeah all these companies want to do better. But they are definitely capitalizing on their user base as much any other out there. It's hard to double your sales at that level lol.
+1 exactly and we compare different things microsoft gaming revenue against Playstation revenue. Minecraft revenue is into the comparison with huge mobile revenue, most of mobile game revenue on Sony side are out of Playstation revenue.
ItdI kind of a weird thing to compare the fiscal years especially when MicrosoftsM ends in the summer and Sonys and Nintendos end in March. It'd be better to wait for Sony and Nintendo to post their results and then simply add the last 4 quarters for a better comparison.
Wow!
Good for Microsoft!
And it seems like every one of the big 3 is making great profits this year, I hope this continues far into the future.
Good for Microsoft!
And it seems like every one of the big 3 is making great profits this year, I hope this continues far into the future.
Got more detail, yeah okay it's not double including everything under the 'games' banners now. I had Nintendo figures and saw they were double, and I assumed Sony and MS did better at that stage but they did not.
Including all sources of revenue (which now includes mobile, especially for Nintendo, mini Virtual Console boxes for Nintendo, and all the other game based non-console services like Windows games store/Play Anywhere etc, especially for Microsoft), these figures add to 37.34 billion. Which is now half but still less than 2008 without any of that extra stuff.
Playstation was 11 billion revenue in 2008 (12 Months Ended March 2009). Nintendo revenue was 17 billion in 2008. Xbox 7.7 billion.
35.7 Billion in 2008 dollars is about $41.78 today. Nintendo peaked at 18.7 billion in revenue in 2009 though so 2009 may be even higher.
Do we know the actual profit that the big 3 made though? Revenue doesn't mean much really. I bet Nintendo usually makes the most profit.
Right...I guess I'm just not being that clear.
PSN has become a virtual store for Sony. It's huge revenue increase has coincided with its service fee being implemented, but you are right to say there is more to the story than that.
You have movies and music and other media being sold there (that's increasing revenue). You have games with expensive digital passes being sold there. Microtransactions. DLC. Sony is earning revenue as more of a distribution service than as a gaming console provider....which is OK ...I'm just saying we should recognize that shift that happened this gen.
Microsoft was trying to shift that way well before Sony and the ps4. Nintendo is heading that way.
ZHugeEX had a good thread about the growth of PsN this gen:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/gr...this-generation-an-8-4-billion-segment.20670/
It accounted for $8.4 billion in revenue for last year. Also had a cool graph comparing where PSN and eshop is this gen so far and to think where Nintendo will be headed once it starts going down the same service road as Microsoft and Sony.
But for me, in comparison threads like this, it's the ending profit that makes more of a difference to how successful these companies are. At some point, the hardware segment will be the thing that drags Microsoft/Sony down I would think. Even Sony publicly admitted their future might be as a service.
For people who want to know 2017 and 2018 Revenue
Yep. Xbox have been on an upwards trajectory this year.
Spencer has most certainly turned things round. Good job Phil.
Much better. I can see Satya going all out next gen. It's going to be very interesting.
So the take away is that gaming is healthy. Yay!
Good to see numbers, gives me hope for a secure future for Xbox.
Good to see numbers, gives me hope for a secure future for Xbox.
So the revenue is not half of what it was in 2008 but actually rivals it (a huge year with Sony having 3 consoles selling, the 360 coming into its own, the guitar hero hype and the Wii/DS/casual games juggernauts), and probably exceeds it with Sony's mobile games, got it.
oh that's nice! GJ Phil and the rest of the xbox team
When do we see Sony and Nintendo quarterly reports btw?
When do we see Sony and Nintendo quarterly reports btw?
They just brought 5 studios. Can't be a good year profit wise.
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Anyways, good numbers for all. Excited too see Sony's and MSs efforts next gen. They're both gonna go all out
This isn't the only year they haven't given profit though as it seems.
Very happy to see MS turnaround the xbox fortunes. Strong xbox is what the industry needs.
They fucked up but all platform holders fuck up at sometime.
They fucked up but all platform holders fuck up at sometime.
I would imagine the amount of money Sony spends on game development, dwarfs what Nintendo spends.