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The atmospheric fog effects heavily featured in those screens look v good.
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Harvey Smith, if you're reading this, I have a very important question. #TeamJanuary or #TeamFebrurary❓
I can see happily bouncing between Redfall and Starfield…for many, many months. And a few other games in between of course. Gonna be a fun 2023.
Series S will be interesting for sure. I think it'll be less "can they do it" and more "are they willing to ship games at 720p in 2024+?"
But on the other hand, I also expect first party games to really be optimized well. So we might see some Series S modes out of XGS/Bethesda games that we don't see a lot more generally. Forza Horizon 5 is a good example there.
I can't imagine a scenario where Starfield gets a 60fps mode for console at launch. I personally thought that was already settled science.
I'm expecting 30fps, wishing and hoping for 40fps, and readying myself to give emotional support to all the 60fps brethren. Those poor souls.
Fallout 76 with the fps boost "hack" to force 4K60 (by swapping the toggle and quick resuming) ran around 50-60 fps and dipped to 45 depending on the scene. That was full 4K resolution using a non native port and relying on fps boost. Using the standard One S settings pretty much locked 60 fps based on DF coverage. So it definitely wasnt the cpu, rather the gpu.
I just do not imagine Starfield being so wildly more complex that the new engine enhancements couldnt handle offering more than 30 fps. Graphics can be scaled back/FSR/etc.
I just do not imagine Starfield being so wildly more complex that the new engine enhancements couldnt handle offering more than 30 fps. Graphics can be scaled back/FSR/etc.
Does FO76 have any NPCs? I genuinely forgot.
I agree though that if it's mostly GPU bound, there's no reason it can't be 60fps with some compromises like many other games. I just think they're going to take all the things that make Skyrim/Fallout so CPU intensive and crank it up to 11. I'm thinking over twice as many NPCs in towns and cities that really feel like towns and cities and not just small settlements with 12 people living in it. They're probably doing stuff that wouldn't be possible on last gen consoles due to the Jaguar CPUs.
Usually when I wake up I see 1-2 new pages and read it while going to work but now thread moves so fast and I have 5-6 pages to read lol.
Everyone is waiting for Starfield, interview of Redfall made me hype. Year of Xbox is this year. We just need Starfield to be 90+ metacritic game.
Everyone is waiting for Starfield, interview of Redfall made me hype. Year of Xbox is this year. We just need Starfield to be 90+ metacritic game.
Everyone seems to be waiting to see if Starfield is 30 or 60 fps. Meanwhile, I don't care much about that and am fine with either as long as it consistently stays at the frame rate cap. I'm only really bothered by frequent frame rate fluctuations or by extremely low frame rates like seen often on N64 games.
I'm much more interested in and still hoping for a VATS equivalent or variant in the game. While I like shooters in general, real-time shooting is the last thing I want or care about in a Bethesda game. I mean if I HAVE to, I'll make it work. However, I'd much prefer a VATS system.
I'm much more interested in and still hoping for a VATS equivalent or variant in the game. While I like shooters in general, real-time shooting is the last thing I want or care about in a Bethesda game. I mean if I HAVE to, I'll make it work. However, I'd much prefer a VATS system.
Yeah I hear you. If it's solid 30 I'll still play it, a high performance PC just isn't an option for me right now. But I'm really hoping the extra time and support mean we'll get some sort of option, even if it's just a 40 mode for newer TVs.
Re VATS, no real opinion. It looks like it's just straight up shooting but they've also talked about emphasizing the RPG side of things so idk.
I play on série x and pc with a 3070ti and for starfield even on m'y pc ,even on it i m not sur it will run more than 30fps. ( I Hope they put dlss on this game )
If the game push it well , i m okay with it .
Both console ( ps5, série x and my gpu too ) are not a 4080 or 4090, WE should accept 30fps if the game look good , and have a stable framerate ( and good physics etc...etc..).
Of course if the game is not pretty at all and the World is empty this is not normal .
But for starfield if the game show Big distance view without poping, better graphic than last year year , i m okay with 30fps x)
If the game push it well , i m okay with it .
Both console ( ps5, série x and my gpu too ) are not a 4080 or 4090, WE should accept 30fps if the game look good , and have a stable framerate ( and good physics etc...etc..).
Of course if the game is not pretty at all and the World is empty this is not normal .
But for starfield if the game show Big distance view without poping, better graphic than last year year , i m okay with 30fps x)
I mean HDR will help also, and i'm sure like with any development cycle, the extra year will help improve all aspects of the game inc lighting.
Had a weird dream that The Coalition announced a Gears 5 remaster. I think that's courtesy of the ZMA I've started taking.
On a separate note, is the expectation that there'll be a first party showcase within Q1?
On a separate note, is the expectation that there'll be a first party showcase within Q1?
yea, Q1. either January or February, march is probably too late. we've got teams and clown profile picture bets and all
some cool predictions there, one thing is for sure the flood gates have opened!
Obsidian Entertainment has hired a new World Builder for Avowed. His name is Peter Wano, he is a former Horizon Forbidden West Developer. This is his artstation.
I'm not being 100% serious, but I feel like it's been completely forgotten in the discussion. It's a game that was not announced at any showcase, it was randomly announced with a short teaser. We're so focused on Hellblade II for good reason, but is there any world where Project Mara comes out before Hellblade II? It's supposed to be a game smaller in scope. I would just love to know any sort of insight in how it's coming along or when we can expect to hear from it again.
Indeed.
I found this Digital Foundry article on 30fps and next-gen consoles interesting also.
https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2022-why-the-return-of-30fps-console-games-is-inevitable
The only employees who like or engage with that post works on Avowed
Baird has to come through with some gadgets that effect movement. The dream being mostly right seems possible to me.
The Last of Us Part 2 released with 30 FPS and nobody blinked an eye. I also enjoy 60 FPS when possible, but singleplayer RPG Bethesda games will never be designed around this. If we go back to resolution/FPS wars for Starfield, I will stay out of forums for two weeks or so.
Wasn't 30FPS the standard last gen? 60FPS was never a question.
Yea 60 FPS is expected now for this gen.
Makes sense but it's gonna definitely turn people off from Starfield
The DF article pointing to gotham knights and plague tale is already kinda outdated. Gotham is hopeless, but Plague tale received big optimization patches that improved perf across the board and Alex's video showed it could reach over 60 fps other than the extremely taxing market area which took it to 50 if res was dropped to 1080p.
I'm sure going to 30 fps or 40 or it becoming more prevalent is inevitable, but Requiem isn't really the best example to back the claim anymore.
30 fps isn't unplayable and in many games like Plague Tale it's not too detracting from the experience, bit idk why anyone would want to not have performance mode options. The only scenario of a 30 fps game only making sense coming from the AAA first party side may be heavy simulation in combo with raytracing being at the core of the design. Meaning not just reflections, but something like Matrix demo.
Even Fortnite has shown you can get exceptional hybrid rendering at 60 fps with the bells and whistles though and i would be very disappointed if The Coalition wasn't able to do the same (and have 30 as an option for enhancements for those that want it).
I'm sure going to 30 fps or 40 or it becoming more prevalent is inevitable, but Requiem isn't really the best example to back the claim anymore.
30 fps isn't unplayable and in many games like Plague Tale it's not too detracting from the experience, bit idk why anyone would want to not have performance mode options. The only scenario of a 30 fps game only making sense coming from the AAA first party side may be heavy simulation in combo with raytracing being at the core of the design. Meaning not just reflections, but something like Matrix demo.
Even Fortnite has shown you can get exceptional hybrid rendering at 60 fps with the bells and whistles though and i would be very disappointed if The Coalition wasn't able to do the same (and have 30 as an option for enhancements for those that want it).
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I think people don't discuss it because we don't even know how much of a 'game' it is
This is it's description: "Project Mara is an in-development experimental game from Ninja Theory with a focus on recreating the terror of mental health issues and it will be "based on real lived experience accounts and in-depth research."
The last official number we have is 65, from 2012. LinkedIn page says it's about 51-200 devs, and if I'm not mistaken, 85 people worked on Ghostwire Tokyo.
If I would guess, I would say 120 devs total.
Console only players should always expect 30 and be pleasantly surprised when they hear 60 or more. There are devs who we know will most likely go for 60…but it will never not be odd to see console players so concerned about performance.
There is nothing different about this generation than anything in the past. 60 has been achievable for a long time…but closed boxes and all that jazz.
I get that, because people have been conditioned a bit since the HD era, but we should ask for more. Unless a game is super cpu limited and/or poorly multithreaded the xsx should be able to run the xss version at 60 fps. Always. Not being able to would be the exception to the norm, ideally. We're beyond the shitty jaguar cpu and specs of last gen and there should be better experiences offered at least from the first party side. We're getting 60 fps with raytracing in game with Forza Motorsport, next gen exclusive. That shouldn't change as the gen goes on.
I'm primarily a pc player and just want better for my console only brothers and sisters 😪
Same here. I need the abk deal to to thru so I can splurge on a C3 or A90L with the profit lmao. Pls papa phil bless me
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