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Klobrille

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Yeah, MS did well to make us think that Crackdown 3 was basically done for a while and they've just been refining it, and while that may be true for the campaign, by the scope and the features of the multiplayer it really looks like they've made that part pretty much last minute. Nothing like the year or so of the Sea Of Thieves alphas and betas or how Halo games often get tested out well over a year before their actual release, too. Oh well, my expectations are probably fair for Crackdown 3, I expect more of what made CD1 great but I don't think it's gonna be a modern or a particularly great game per se. Worst case scenario I'll keep on staying addicted to Apex Legends.
They were actually pretty transparent about it. Campaign was "done" a while ago, but they used the additional dev time caused by Wrecking Zone for polish and other cool things, which clearly shows in my opinion. The campaign looks better than ever and will easily result in the best Crackdown game for fans.

While the tech behind WZ is in development for longer, the actual Wrecking Zone game you are seeing today is only just in dev for about a year.
 

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They were actually pretty transparent about it. Campaign was "done" a while ago, but they used the additional dev time caused by Wrecking Zone for polish and other cool things, which clearly shows in my opinion. While the tech behind WZ is in development for longer, the actual game you are seeing today is only just in dev for about a year.

For what it is, I think it's fine. Regardless of its quality, I doubt anyone realistically expected a Crackdown multiplayer out of all things to be the next big thing in multiplayer. Game Pass should give the game a big enough population for at least this year, hopefully longer too. The tech behind it looks impressive, worst case scenario we get that out of it.
 

Bear and bird

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I guess I'm always into moving on if a franchise doesn't have strong enough of an identity. There are things you could do with every franchise. But does the franchise command it? A clear example is Killzone - you could do more things with that franchise, but when the series isn't really that interesting or inspiring, I don't see the reason to bother. There are much wider horizons (hey!) to explore.
I kind of get why you mean. This is the 3rd Crackdown and the franchise is still lacking a true hit. At the same time, if Crackdown fans like the games and they sell well enough I don't see a problem with continuing the series either.

I would like to see the fourth Crackdown go big and/or switch up the formula though. While I'm looking forward to CD3, it doesn't come off as a "2019 game" to me.

There are several things I think they could do with the current Crackdown template:
-Further improvements on the storytelling (I get the impression CD3 is already taking it a step further from CD1+2)
-State of the art visuals or even a change in art style. A full-on cel shaded art style would be interesting.
-More PVP modes (for example: Battle royale, horde mode, destruction mode or orb hunt)
-Maybe implementing the destruction tech in some parts of the campaign if it can be done without the cloud on XB Scarlett. I think "challenge rooms" with destructible platform courses sound fun, for instance.

I get that people want destructible environments in the campaign's open world, but to me that would take the series into a completely different direction. Which is a different discussion altogether. I wouldn't be opposed to a separate sandbox mode though.

I mean...did 2? To be honest i was surprised when they teased and announced 3
CD2 was a million seller and was made on what was likely a shoestring budget, so there's your answer. :)
 
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SiassaDavid

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While that IS true, unless this has been debunked, I believe 2K has rights to first refusal in terms of publishing a sequel. I remember seeing that said a lot when Outer Worlds was announced.

All of this is just speculation. We don't know all of the details of the deal. Could be that Microsoft can publish without anybodys help or Microsofts hands are tied on a sequel.

All we know is Microsoft owns the IP. Rest is speculation until we get more info.
 

Trup1aya

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If you're going to buy a used copy of a game, are you going to get it from a major, established brand? Or just some guy you don't know?

It literally doesn't matter, it's just software on a used disc either way.

Plenty of people buy used games (or literally anything else) from strangers online. It's 2019!
 

SuikerBrood

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So I take it we won't hear of anymore studio acquisitions until E3?

Thank God MS isn't bothering with doo doo studios like Typhoon. Hope they still snag IO, Turtle Rock, Moon and maybe 4A and maybe create a new big AAA studio.

Could you stop with posts like these? Have some respect for developers. A developer that hasn't even shipped a game yet.

If you don't want Microsoft to pick up unknown studios, you could say it in a more mannered way. Your post annoys me greatly.
 
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bsigg

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From Crackdown's official Discord, apparently: Crackdown 3's Wrecking Zone will not support lobbying with friends.

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That's... really odd. Although I'm not sure if this is an actual developer or official, so I'm taking it with a grain until I know for sure. Just something I saw on Reddit.

I would assume this has to do with how they handle matchmaking so they can allocate Azure resources to keep the ping below a certain level.

Introducing parties makes it so you can't just group people around a specific data center and now you're trying to figure out who's too far away and how to handle the latency.
 

Black Mantis

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If you're going to buy a used copy of a game, are you going to get it from a major, established brand? Or just some guy you don't know?

I used Shpock when I lived in London, and use Wallapop in Spain to buy/sell 2nd hand games, never had a problem. I got Super Smash Bros. for the Wii U for €16 recently, much cheaper than Amazon or Ebay.
 

SiassaDavid

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Could you stop with posts like these? Have some respect for developers. A developer that hasn't even shipped a game yet.

+1 - i'm with you on this.

If you don't want Microsoft to pick up unknown studios, you could say it in a more mannered way. Your post annoys me greatly.
Think we can put the Sumo acquisition to bed now, it's not going to happen. They have seven different studios under their corporate umbrella, wow!



https://www.gamesindustry.biz/artic...tal-opens-new-mobile-studio-in-leamington-spa


I think the 7 teams of Sumo Digital (wich includes mobile) would be a great addition to XGS BUT we would lose a giant great support studio network.
 

SuikerBrood

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I would assume this has to do with how they handle matchmaking so they can allocate Azure resources to keep the ping below a certain level.

Introducing parties makes it so you can't just group people around a specific data center and now you're trying to figure out who's too far away and how to handle the latency.

Don't give up hope!

 

bcatwilly

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Oct 27, 2017
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I played multiple hours of the Crackdown 3 Wrecking Zone technical test and was addicted to how awesome the gameplay was, and it definitely made me that much more excited for the campaign too given that I love the graphics art style and HDR colors of this game. I know that we all want party support on the multiplayer and should continue to ask for it, but I would recommend checking out the multiplayer at launch anyway because I think that you may be surprised at how great it is. And then we have a larger player base for it at launch that can keep asking about possible party support, rather than have it tail off quick or something just because it isn't there right away.
 

Bradbatross

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They should at least give an explanation for why parties aren't in the game. It's a pretty important feature to be missing.
 

Kilgore

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I think the parties fiasco is gonna be the ultimate excuse for murder CD3 for a lot of people, but who is to blame but microsoft?
 

Vinc

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The Crackdown 3 review embargo is dropping today right? Does anybody know at what time?
 
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I think the parties fiasco is gonna be the ultimate excuse for murder CD3 for a lot of people, but who is to blame but microsoft?

Yeah I can see that happening, I got a chance to play during the technical test Sunday, and it is chaotic fun. But not having the ability to party up and play with friends in one of the few 1st party games they have coming out this year and one of the few 1st party games they released this Gen is inexcusable. And it might be coming out as a feature later to be able to play with friends in CD3, but whenever that "later" time comes other games will have been out and I will have a hard time getting people to try it again.

First impressions matter a lot, for good or ill, and party support not being in day one of launch is not something I ever thought see in a 1st party Xbox game in 2019.
 

Klobrille

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How much % do reviewers cut off their scores for basically every Nintendo multiplayer game? Wait. Nothing? Oh.

(not defending this by the way, Xbox is a pioneer for online gaming and this shouldn't be happening, but at least it reads like as if it's coming soon'ish after launch. Again, it should've been in at launch though, but delaying it again just for that honestly would've been a bad decision, too).
 
Dec 21, 2018
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How much % do reviewers cut off their scores for basically every Nintendo multiplayer game? Wait. Nothing? Oh.

(not defending this by the way, Xbox is a pioneer for online gaming and this shouldn't happening, but at least it reads like as if it's coming soon'ish after launch).

Since they chopped it into two Apps, Campaign and Wrecking Zone, depending on how soon party support is releasing they could have held off on launching Wrecking Zone saying something like "We are using the feedback from the technical tests to polish the game for a great user experience" or something along those lines. We could be playing the campaign in the interim, and then they release Wrecking Zone in March or something.
 

Trup1aya

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They should at least give an explanation for why parties aren't in the game. It's a pretty important feature to be missing.

It would make sense of if they are doing it to keep pings low. I imagine one player with high ping would have an abnormally large impact on everyone else's experience.
 
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