Xbox Game Studios |OT5| The Cult of Phil in the Age of Booty: A Case Study

TheFurizzlyBear

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Maneil99

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Jesus nobody is saying they should have shown all their next gen projects. How do you not show Gears? A Gears 5 reveal like they did with 4 have been great starting with the Skiff. From a first party perspective it was worse then last year which had Horizon 4 steal the show. And these fanboys on Twitter kept using language like megatons.
 
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MilesQ

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Anyone working on an OT for the Gears tech test?

I need some Era vets to play with as my friends list is pretty inactive these days outside of Sea of Thieves and Destiny.
 

Flux

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Jesus nobody is saying they should have shown all their next gen projects. How do you not show Hears? A Hears 4 reveal like demonwould have been great starting with the Skiff. From a first party perspective it was worse then last year which had Horizon 4 steal the show. And these fanboys on Twitter kept using language like megatons.
Agreed, the least I was expecting was a meaty, respectable look at Gears 5's campaign and a Halo Infinite trailer with snippets of gameplay. The conference was mediocre at best.
 

Klobrille

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I think my E3 prediction was not too bad :)



That said, I think most people were pretty clear in their wording that it always was E3 2020 which will be important. E3 19 was just too early for most of the XGS studios.

However, this by no means translates to E3 being a bad show or anything. On the contrary I think it was a solid show - with expectations being too high (like always to be honest ...), despite various people reminding you that they won’t show their big guns - including PG#2, Ninja Theory SP game, Rare etc. - this year. There were more than enough posts here reminding everyone that it doesn’t make too much sense to blow all your stuff this year, when in reality it’s the next year where people will make their purchase decisions for next-gen.

34 games launching into Game Pass day and date - including anticipated games like Gears 5 UE, The Outer Worlds, Wasteland 3, Blair Witch or Psychonauts 2 - was an impressive statement though.
 
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space_nut

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I'm really glad they're keeping quiet on Gears 5 campaign. I feel they're going to hit it out of the park in ways we're not going to expect. It's really a sense of wonder and mystery on what to expect. Just seeing we are going to jungles, frozen, desert, urban landscapes with 20x larger SP maps gets me shaking with excitement

And not to forget that 4k 60fps HDR graphical quality of taking full advantage of the X on my new tv is going to be gobsmacking good
 

Bits N Pieces

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Any London peoples heading to the new Oxford Circus MS store over the next day or two? Think it opens tomorrow.
I was supposed to go down to London for some meetings between the 17th to the 19th but these are happening in Glasgow now!

I'll be down in London between the 5th to 7th of July so I'll check it out then but I'll miss all the goodies and freebies :(
 

m23

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I'm really glad they're keeping quiet on Gears 5 campaign. I feel they're going to hit it out of the park in ways we're not going to expect. It's really a sense of wonder and mystery on what to expect. Just seeing we are going to jungles, frozen, desert, urban landscapes with 20x larger SP maps gets me shaking with excitement

And not to forget that 4k 60fps HDR graphical quality of taking full advantage of the X on my new tv is going to be gobsmacking good
For me, the bolded is exactly the opposite of what I want from a Gears game. I hope the open maps is limited to a HUB or something, not the actual missions we go on. Gears 4 went back to the small and close quarter encounters I love about Gears, whereas 3 went a lot more open and didn't feel as great to me.

Also I don't buy any excuse as to why they didn't show a demonstration of campaign. It was a dumb decision and makes absolutely no sense, especially considering they aren't showing anything on campaign before launch. They showed snippets a stuff last year sure, but that was not nearly enough.

At least the tech test is coming up.
 

Klobrille

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I thought the show was great. *shrug*
Which is fair. It was somewhere between great and solid imo.

There is a lot of hyperbole going on here, mainly driven by insanely unrealistic expectations - like every year. Showing 60 games and launching 34 of these on Game Pass is a bold statement on its own already (yes, even with indies). 14 games by first-party studios on stage is a record, too. Can’t deny hard numbers I guess :)

There were truly people who believed they will show Fable even until the last second - despite me, others and even PG themselves(!) saying it is too early. Can’t help these people, sorry.
 
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OneBadMutha

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I'm most excited about one of the less heralded MS developments, their own Remote Play.

Sony's is so underwhelming that I have only used it once, on my Vita. But since the Vita is a button mapping disaster and I hate iphones, I've never used it really.

I hope console streaming allows me to quickly hook up my Note 8 phone to Gamepass on day 1. I've got a 3rd party controller already and I hope MS have universal controller compatibility to make this work.

Because I'm always likely to have an xbox console, the October release will essentially do everything I'll ever need from x-cloud. So for me x-cloud is basically launching in full in October. it's why I haven't signed up to stadia because I'll get the same functionality just as quickly from a console and eco-system I already own. I have also started buying games on xbox again instead of my PS4 based on this october. I've been holding out Odyssey because i know it runs better or my PS4 but will likely buy it on xbox simply because of this feature.
This is where those controllers for phones and tablets come in. Really hope to have a decent Xbox Controller option for my phone soon. I’d use Remote play on either system if there was a good input for it. To me it doesn’t even matter if there’s lag or latency. I would be happy playing Persona 5, Battle Chasers, or Xcom on Xbox or PS4 with latency. Biggest issue with gaming on phones is inputs.
 

FairyEmpire

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I thought the show was great. *shrug*
I thought it was great. It would have been downright amazing if I knew nothing beforehand (Bloober's game was known but not that it's Blair Witch, all the Game Pass PC and Ultimate details were out there already, Bleeding Edge leaked, LEGO Star Wars was known, the FROM game leaked already, etc.), but even as it was it was impressive. Very meaty, tons of first parties, third parties and quality indies, and it proved that I did the right thing when I've put down a bigger sum of money for a lengthy Game Pass subscription instead of going in month by month.
 

m23

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Which is fair. It was somewhere between great and solid imo.

There is a lot of hyperbole going on here, mainly driven by insanely unrealistic expectations - like every year. Showing 60 games and launching 34 of these on Game Pass is a bold statement on its own already (yes, even with indies). 14 games by first-party studios on stage is a record, too. Can’t deny hard numbers I guess :)

There were truly people who believed they will show Fable - despite me, others and even PG themselves(!) saying it is too early. Can’t help these people, sorry.
Numbers don't automatically make a great show.
 

UraMallas

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Well, I personally thought they might very well show Fable until the last second but it isn't something to be disappointed over when it doesn't show. The only thing that was a detractor for me in the entire show was Gears 5's showing.

I thought it was great. It would have been downright amazing if I knew nothing beforehand (Bloober's game was known but not that it's Blair Witch, all the Game Pass PC and Ultimate details were out there already, Bleeding Edge leaked, LEGO Star Wars was known, the FROM game leaked already, etc.), but even as it was it was impressive. Very meaty, tons of first parties, third parties and quality indies, and it proved that I did the right thing when I've put down a bigger sum of money for a lengthy Game Pass subscription instead of going in month by month.
Yeah, the leaks definitely took some of the wind out of the sails for me. BE and From's game especially.
 

OneBadMutha

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Which is fair. It was somewhere between great and solid imo.

There is a lot of hyperbole going on here, mainly driven by insanely unrealistic expectations - like every year. Showing 60 games and launching 34 of these on Game Pass is a bold statement on its own already (yes, even with indies). 14 games by first-party studios on stage is a record, too. Can’t deny hard numbers I guess :)

There were truly people who believed they will show Fable even until the last second - despite me, others and even PG themselves(!) saying it is too early. Can’t help these people, sorry.
I think perception of these shows is driven by the marquee exclusives. For this show, that was Gears, Halo and Bleeding Edge. If Bleeding Edge wasn’t leaked and they had shown Gears better, perception would be quite different. If Gears campaign was shown and it blew people away, I think a lot of people would’ve given the conference an 8 or so.

Speaking just for myself, the Gears showing was what I was most excited to see and found it’s showing to leave a stink over an otherwise decent E3. Hopefully when we play it in a couple months, we’ll understand the secrecy, be blown away and say Rod was playing 4D chess in terms of marketing.
 

Klobrille

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Numbers don't automatically make a great show.
Never said that. However, showing games is what E3 should be about. And simple numbers prove that. As well do they prove commitment. Even more so if most of them will be included in the subscription service they are going with at zero additional costs.
I’m not saying all of these games will turn out to be bombastic experiences (no one can make that call) - but there is also no reason to deny that the show included a ton of potentially really great games (and with Cyberpunk 2077, Halo Infinite or Ori and The Will of The Wisps even three potential candidates for GotY lists imo).
 
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SnatcherHunter

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Which is fair. It was somewhere between great and solid imo.

There is a lot of hyperbole going on here, mainly driven by insanely unrealistic expectations - like every year. Showing 60 games and launching 34 of these on Game Pass is a bold statement on its own already (yes, even with indies). 14 games by first-party studios on stage is a record, too. Can’t deny hard numbers I guess :)

There were truly people who believed they will show Fable even until the last second - despite me, others and even PG themselves(!) saying it is too early. Can’t help these people, sorry.
Sony showing games 5 years ahead of time is the reason why many thought MS "finally" would take a page from them.

Let's step it back. Even Nintendo just showing Metroid logo killed the internet.

IF Fable is indeed in development.. a nice logo would have quench the thirst for many here.
 

crazillo

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I do think the wording with releasing "first" is strange though. Usually we would know a bit more about timed exclusivity if another platform is being planned, like with Rise of the Tomb Raider. Maybe it's just additional pressure in these cases because more people own a PS4 than Xbox One. FF7R seems to be a case like with the Crash Bandicoot remake, this one was never mentioned as coming to other platforms. Similarily, RDR2 marketing deal with Sony never let the Xbox One hardware power shine in the way it should have. This stuff is part of the business but always makes me so tired...
 
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I think my E3 prediction was not too bad :)



That said, I think most people were pretty clear in their wording that it always was E3 2020 which will be important. E3 19 was just too early for most of the XGS studios.

However, this by no means translates to E3 being a bad show or anything. On the contrary I think it was a solid show - with expectations being too high (like always to be honest ...), despite various people reminding you that they won’t show their big guns - including PG#2, Ninja Theory SP game, Rare etc. - this year. There were more than enough posts here reminding everyone that it doesn’t make too much sense to blow all your stuff this year, when in reality it’s the next year where people will make their purchase decisions for next-gen.

34 games launching into Game Pass day and date - including anticipated games like Gears 5 UE, The Outer Worlds, Wasteland 3, Blair Witch or Psychonauts 2 - was an impressive statement though.
The more I watch it and the reactions now, feel like I overreacted and considered it really average. I would give it a 7.

2 Biggest issues still:

1. Lack of Gameplay
2. Proper Editing and pacing (Outer Worlds is not the game I would have started E3 with)

They had the wow factor with Keanu Reeves and genuine surprises with Double Fine, Flight Simulator and Phantasy Star Online, Elden Ring would have been a wow moment without the leaks)

Biggest Disappointments:

1. Gears 5 showing
2. Project Scarlett( Trailer was too similar to Scorpio and talking points were counters to Sony's reveals)
 
Aug 26, 2018
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I think my E3 prediction was not too bad :)



That said, I think most people were pretty clear in their wording that it always was E3 2020 which will be important. E3 19 was just too early for most of the XGS studios.

However, this by no means translates to E3 being a bad show or anything. On the contrary I think it was a solid show - with expectations being too high (like always to be honest ...), despite various people reminding you that they won’t show their big guns - including PG#2, Ninja Theory SP game, Rare etc. - this year. There were more than enough posts here reminding everyone that it doesn’t make too much sense to blow all your stuff this year, when in reality it’s the next year where people will make their purchase decisions for next-gen.

34 games launching into Game Pass day and date - including anticipated games like Gears 5 UE, The Outer Worlds, Wasteland 3, Blair Witch or Psychonauts 2 - was an impressive statement though.
The more I watch it and the reactions now, feel like I overreacted and considered it really average. I would give it a 7.

2 Biggest issues still:

1. Lack of Gameplay
2. Proper Editing and pacing (Outer Worlds is not the game I would have started E3 with)

They had the wow factor with Keanu Reeves and genuine surprises with Double Fine, Flight Simulator and Phantasy Star Online, Elden Ring would have been a wow moment without the leaks)

Biggest Disappointments:

1. Gears 5 showing
2. Project Scarlett( Trailer was too similar to Scorpio and talking points were counters to Sony's reveals)
 

Ebtesam

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Apr 1, 2018
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If there anyone want to own Gears 5 there's an offer on CDkeys 44$ xbox/pc


i will buy the Game (i have all the Series) but still going to play the ultimate edition using my game pass ultimate
 

zedox

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Sony showing games 5 years ahead of time is the reason why many thought MS "finally" would take a page from them.

Let's step it back. Even Nintendo just showing Metroid logo killed the internet.

IF Fable is indeed in development.. a nice logo would have quench the thirst for many here.
Yea...and that's the problem...people here are always thirsty. They always want more. I've always said that I don't want games to be shown until it's 12-18mo from release at max. You can surprise each year with more content if you take the shorter time to release and announcement road. Especially at a time when MS is trying to be a "Netflix" type of platform. No need to show things years and years in advance...just because your competitors do it. But MS has announced Age4/Infinite years in advance...and see, it does nothing. Fable wouldn't have moved the needle either. People in this place always want more so it won't matter. Releasing great games does...at the end of the day.
 

Zymespee

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Sony showing games 5 years ahead of time is the reason why many thought MS "finally" would take a page from them.

Let's step it back. Even Nintendo just showing Metroid logo killed the internet.

IF Fable is indeed in development.. a nice logo would have quench the thirst for many here.
showing a game five years ahead of time makes no difference to anything....in fact its more sensible showing games when the concepts are grounded and it is in its final stages of development....isnt it sensible not to hear that games are postponed over and over again?...yes it is and it makes absolutely no sense for microsoft to do what sony is doing..am glad they didn't go down that road
 

Firenoh

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Yea...and that's the problem...people here are always thirsty. They always want more. I've always said that I don't want games to be shown until it's 12-18mo from release at max. You can surprise each year with more content if you take the shorter time to release and announcement road. Especially at a time when MS is trying to be a "Netflix" type of platform. No need to show things years and years in advance...just because your competitors do it. But MS has announced Age4/Infinite years in advance...and see, it does nothing. Fable wouldn't have moved the needle either. People in this place always want more so it won't matter. Releasing great games does...at the end of the day.
I think people definitely understand that it take years to make games, and they generally still want games to be announced closer to release.

That said, I guess people are just disappointed that in MS's grand plan, they're only going to release 3 games this year and write off 2019 as a warm-up period.
 

Bits N Pieces

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I think people definitely understand that it take years to make games, and they generally still want games to be announced closer to release.

That said, I guess people just disappointed that in MS's grand plan, they're only going to release 3 games this year and write off 2019 as a warm-up period.
Releasing three games from first party and fuck knows how many dozens of titles through Game Pass.....
 
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Why would Xbox blow their load for the launch of Scarlett? They have to space out releases. Don't set your expectations unreasonably high. E3 2021 is far more likely for a big showing. Though, to be fair, a number of their studios are only in the early stages of new projects. It's quite possible that E3 2022 is logically where we'll get the megatons. I'd hold out for that conference to be safe.
Yet you set your unreasonably expectations high for big show in 2021 and all the megatons for E3 2022.
 

SnatcherHunter

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Yea...and that's the problem...people here are always thirsty. They always want more. I've always said that I don't want games to be shown until it's 12-18mo from release at max. You can surprise each year with more content if you take the shorter time to release and announcement road. Especially at a time when MS is trying to be a "Netflix" type of platform. No need to show things years and years in advance...just because your competitors do it. But MS has announced Age4/Infinite years in advance...and see, it does nothing. Fable wouldn't have moved the needle either. People in this place always want more so it won't matter. Releasing great games does...at the end of the day.
Those are Facts too
If MS showed a Fable logo... and that's it........many here would be like

"thats it??? Are you effing kidding MS"
 

zedox

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Those are Facts too
If MS showed a Fable logo... and that's it........many here would be like

"thats it??? Are you effing kidding MS"
Pretty much. Especially since we already know that it's coming...it literally does nothing but opens up questions to MS where they basically say "we'll talk more about it later"...just like Age 4. So it does nothing.
 

harSon

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The e3 in the preceding year of a new console generation has always been disappointing. I think even the upcoming X019 will be light in terms of newly announced games. I wouldn't expect much from Microsoft until the first quarter of next year when they have their console unveiling show, and then e3 2020 when they try to drum up interest for the launch of their console.
 

UraMallas

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The more I watch it and the reactions now, feel like I overreacted and considered it really average. I would give it a 7.

2 Biggest issues still:

1. Lack of Gameplay
2. Proper Editing and pacing (Outer Worlds is not the game I would have started E3 with)

They had the wow factor with Keanu Reeves and genuine surprises with Double Fine, Flight Simulator and Phantasy Star Online, Elden Ring would have been a wow moment without the leaks)

Biggest Disappointments:

1. Gears 5 showing
2. Project Scarlett( Trailer was too similar to Scorpio and talking points were counters to Sony's reveals)
Fair assessment, imo. It wasn't 2018 but it definitely wasn't some colossal fuck up, either.

This is not directed at you here, but it's okay to critique things without using so much hyperbole that it seems you are completely bashing it. When hyperbole is used in such a way, as with some posts about the conference I've seen, it takes away from the real criticisms that you might have. Like the ones you mention. I might not entirely agree with them but they are valid and should be discussed!
 

christocolus

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Why would Xbox blow their load for the launch of Scarlett? They have to space out releases. Don't set your expectations unreasonably high. E3 2021 is far more likely for a big showing. Though, to be fair, a number of their studios are only in the early stages of new projects. It's quite possible that E3 2022 is logically where we'll get the megatons. I'd hold out for that conference to be safe.
Going by one of the post E3 interviews, Phil did say they held off some stuff for E3 2020 and it kinda makes sense since that's supposed to be the conference before they launch Scarlet. I expect other console makers will want to put on their best shows too...with the amount of studios they got now( and are planning to acquire soon) they should have a steady supply of 1P games next gen.