Xbox Game Studios |OT5| The Cult of Phil in the Age of Booty: A Case Study

Hudsoniscool

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Jun 5, 2018
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agreed gamepass is going to be nuts post gears. Outer worlds, then ori, bleeding edge, flight simulator, halo... I can’t wait to see all these games hit the service.


On a different note I’m wondering does Minecraft earth require an Xbox account? If so it’s gunna push those MAU numbers through the roof.
 

cyrribrae

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Jan 21, 2019
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Man, this would never happen because of the sheer size and complexity, but I could see an evolving halo server-wide MMO with Destiny structure being so cool. Something like you have two opposing factions that you can choose to support, a la planetside 2. But instead of just being a big battlefield (or perhaps on top of that) are specific coop strike missions. As one faction does better, that reflects in the overworld battle and in the specific missions in small but significant ways.

Then, the world changes. So maybe you started in the colonies as squads of nations against squads of insurgents. But then, Covenant show up. For a few months, the missions change drastically as the AI Covenant object uncertainty into how missions play out. Then, a few players start being able to create Covenant characters and expanding that way. Then, it becomes ODSTs VS Covenant. Maybe a season can be flood VS marines and promethean VS Covenant down the line.

Anyway. It would never happen and my idea is half formed at best. But the idea of a truly dynamic world in which to tell evolving planetary scale stories in a limited multiplayer environment is just such a cool concept.
 

Hudsoniscool

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I hear a lot of people talk about xcloud pricing. I still believe that it’s going to be free and nothing more than a conduit for people to use the Xbox store or Xbox services like gold or gamepass.

Xbox pulls in more revenue per customer than PlayStation or Nintendo. So the more customers they are able to reach the money they will get. And the more you use their services the more money you will spend, so that means existing Xbox users that also use xcloud will be spending more money than they would if they went using Xbox as much.

Pricing it at 10$/month or so is an option but I think that will actually bring in less revenue than if it was free. Telling a customer to pay 10/month for xcloud and then telling them they also have to subscribe to live or gamepass will be a problem.

It being free will help with game sells a lot, and it would really help with gamepass. People who don’t have an Xbox but want gamepass is like the line at the apple store. If it’s free their sub numbers will skyrocket.
 

In Amber Clad

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I feel like it'll just end up being a component of Game Pass. Sub to GP and you can play the library anywhere.

Quick edit: For newcomers, I mean. I know they said existing customers would be able to stream their own library for free.
 

cyrribrae

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Jan 21, 2019
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I feel like it'll just end up being a component of Game Pass. Sub to GP and you can play the library anywhere.

Quick edit: For newcomers, I mean. I know they said existing customers would be able to stream their own library for free.
Well just a matter of what you want to stream from. Your own hardware will be free. Streaming from MS will always cost money. My expectation is that there will be an a la carte option because not everyone wants everything. But, I fully expect xCloud to be bundled into Game Pass Ultimate.

That will be the premier subscription going forward and everyone will be incentivized to get it. Essentially, they will have transformed legions of $10 a month for online MP people into even more $15 a month for "all the services that you feel good about using and paying for" people. That's a smart direction
 

Raide

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Oct 31, 2017
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Just come back from the Oxford Circus MS store. Played some Battletoads and Gears. About an hour or so. Played some Xcloud as well.
 

Raide

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Worst. Write up. Ever.

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Haha


Sorry, I was walking back. Just got into my office.

Ok, cool venue. Lots of cool people around, seemed 12 was a good time since it was quiet.

Played some Toads. The style is pretty cool face to face and the combat animations are cool but the response time for attacks is really delayed. Maybe that's part of how the game works but trying to get a Ying meaningful combos working was super hard when the timing is off. Seems like a fun 3p couch game and it's not overly deep but it was fun.

Gears Escape was really fun, even if they had teams of 3 rolling together, so communication was critical. The mode is super hard, mainly because of a lack of ammo. Seems like a game that could do with an Apex style ping system. Plays pretty much exactly like previous Gears. Will probably play Horde more but Escape will be a fun mode, especially when people start making maps.

Xcloud. Pretty good. Played Halo, Forza and Ori. Forza did have a noticable delay but the graphics seemed fine, so I am not sure if it was controller issues. Halo seemed great, with only a tiny amount of delay but it was SP only. Would have loved to see a MP mode hooked up.

Ori played same as Halo. Really stunning handheld game. Felt pretty responsive and did not notice any graphical drops.

They said Xcloud was on the WiFi there and if that's true, it seems like a pretty good service if it all pans out. Will be nuts if they link it to Game Pass somehow and let people access their titles.
 
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knightmawk

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Dec 12, 2018
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I think with Game Pass and linking MMO Subscriptions to Game Pass will guarantee a large audience. E.g in order to play an MMO, users will have to subscribe to Game Pass.


For this game Wizard101 specifically, I think its game mechanics is unique enough to stand out of the crowd, If Microsoft bought the developer of the game, I think Wizard101 will be popular.
I don't think they'd have an MMO that can only be subscribed to through Game Pass, at least not for a long time. That would almost certainly have to be a first party game, because any third party wouldn't agree to it, and even then it's silly to do now.

Other than that I do agree that an MMO or an MMO lite would add a lot of value, Sea of Thieves kind of fits the mold but not exactly MMOie enough.

Side topic, are there any MMOs on Xbox that require a subscription? I know Elder Scrolls has like a plus membership, but I can't think of any. I wonder if there is a policy on that that we don't know about.
 

zedox

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Oct 28, 2017
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I hear a lot of people talk about xcloud pricing. I still believe that it’s going to be free and nothing more than a conduit for people to use the Xbox store or Xbox services like gold or gamepass.

Xbox pulls in more revenue per customer than PlayStation or Nintendo. So the more customers they are able to reach the money they will get. And the more you use their services the more money you will spend, so that means existing Xbox users that also use xcloud will be spending more money than they would if they went using Xbox as much.

Pricing it at 10$/month or so is an option but I think that will actually bring in less revenue than if it was free. Telling a customer to pay 10/month for xcloud and then telling them they also have to subscribe to live or gamepass will be a problem.

It being free will help with game sells a lot, and it would really help with gamepass. People who don’t have an Xbox but want gamepass is like the line at the apple store. If it’s free their sub numbers will skyrocket.
xCloud will be a paid service. Phil has already said that. What I've been saying for sometime is that it will be a service that is tied to Xbox Game Pass. I think the eventual model will be:

Xbox Game Pass: Streaming up to 1080p for all Xbox Game Pass library
Xbox Game Pass Ultimate: Streaming up to 4k for all game purchases, or XGP library

Microsoft's focus is Xbox Game Pass and everything funnel's through it. Think of it like Office 365...all the new things go through it to keep subscribers.

I also think they could do other models as well:

Xbox Game Pass: Streaming to devices of screen size 10" up to 1080p for all XGP library
Xbox Game Pass Ultimate: Streaming to all devices up to 4k for all gaming

There's a couple different ways MS can do this but my first option is what I'm going with.
 

Raide

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Oct 31, 2017
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I'm leaving to go there in a bit - how were the lines for trying shit out? Lengthy? I don't really want to spend more than an hour there to be honest.
If you have booked a slot, just turn up before that and they give you a badge and you get escorted in groups. I ended up with loads of school kids but Gears was 18 only. You can walk around the place with no issues but the gaming stuff if the booked one. They have some gaming lounge downstairs as well.
 

Raide

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Oct 31, 2017
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So how was Battletoads?
It was pretty fun. Artstyle is funky but it's a simple game with simple mechanics. Not really much to it. Reminds me a little of the Simpsons side scroller. Just the way the animations are exaggerated etc. Pretty quirky but the input delay was a little annoying but it might just be because of how much animation is going on.
 

pswii60

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Oct 27, 2017
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It was pretty fun. Artstyle is funky but it's a simple game with simple mechanics. Not really much to it. Reminds me a little of the Simpsons side scroller. Just the way the animations are exaggerated etc. Pretty quirky but the input delay was a little annoying but it might just be because of how much animation is going on.
In my experience, they probably just didn't have Game Mode enabled on the TV lol
 

Ukumio

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Oct 26, 2017
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I hear a lot of people talk about xcloud pricing. I still believe that it’s going to be free and nothing more than a conduit for people to use the Xbox store or Xbox services like gold or gamepass.

Xbox pulls in more revenue per customer than PlayStation or Nintendo. So the more customers they are able to reach the money they will get. And the more you use their services the more money you will spend, so that means existing Xbox users that also use xcloud will be spending more money than they would if they went using Xbox as much.

Pricing it at 10$/month or so is an option but I think that will actually bring in less revenue than if it was free. Telling a customer to pay 10/month for xcloud and then telling them they also have to subscribe to live or gamepass will be a problem.

It being free will help with game sells a lot, and it would really help with gamepass. People who don’t have an Xbox but want gamepass is like the line at the apple store. If it’s free their sub numbers will skyrocket.
I doubt it'll be truely free. Most likely included in Xbox Gold or Game Pass (or even Ultimate). I could see them pulling something similar to Stadia with 720p being free and anything above being either a new subscription or part of an existing one.
 

Raide

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Oct 31, 2017
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In my experience, they probably just didn't have Game Mode enabled on the TV lol
That seems likely tbh. If it were a bit more precise, then it would be better. It's difficult to know what people wanted from a Battletoads game. Maybe more platforming would have been a better idea and mix in the combat. As it stands, it's a solid, if pretty safe arcade beat em up.
 

zedox

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Oct 28, 2017
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I doubt it'll be truely free. Most likely included in Xbox Gold or Game Pass (or even Ultimate). I could see them pulling something similar to Stadia with 720p being free and anything above being either a new subscription or part of an existing one.
It won't be included in Gold...there's no reason to market that. GamePass is the sub that they want everyone in and the brand that they want everyone to recognize. Gold is legacy. It would be included in GamePass...Phil already stated that it is a paid service...I doubt that there will be a free version. I still think Google's free version will have ads...because that's always their business model. Also...there's no reason to advertise Gold...it's a $5/mo subscription...they want you at $10 or $15...especially for something new...yea.
 

Bits N Pieces

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Oct 27, 2017
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xCloud will be a paid service. Phil has already said that. What I've been saying for sometime is that it will be a service that is tied to Xbox Game Pass. I think the eventual model will be:

Xbox Game Pass: Streaming up to 1080p for all Xbox Game Pass library
Xbox Game Pass Ultimate: Streaming up to 4k for all game purchases, or XGP library

Microsoft's focus is Xbox Game Pass and everything funnel's through it. Think of it like Office 365...all the new things go through it to keep subscribers.

I also think they could do other models as well:

Xbox Game Pass: Streaming to devices of screen size 10" up to 1080p for all XGP library
Xbox Game Pass Ultimate: Streaming to all devices up to 4k for all gaming

There's a couple different ways MS can do this but my first option is what I'm going with.
That's better :)
 

Sikamikanico

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Oct 25, 2017
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If you have booked a slot, just turn up before that and they give you a badge and you get escorted in groups. I ended up with loads of school kids but Gears was 18 only. You can walk around the place with no issues but the gaming stuff if the booked one. They have some gaming lounge downstairs as well.
Well they literally cancelled my train while I was queuing for a ticket. So that's me screwed. Sigh.
 

SeanMN

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Oct 28, 2017
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agreed gamepass is going to be nuts post gears. Outer worlds, then ori, bleeding edge, flight simulator, halo... I can’t wait to see all these games hit the service.
Project Scarlett launching with Gamepass is going to be a huge deal.

It will be a break from tradition as to how launch titles (day 1 and launch window) are handled. Imagine getting Scarlett (which will likely come with a 2 week Gamepass ultimate code), then having immediate (after download) access to Halo Infinite, Forza Motorsport 8, etc? Previously you'd get the console, then budget for a game or two - and this is likely how it will be for PS5 as well. That's a pretty big value proposition, not only for gamers, but for parents of soon to be gamers (if they can nail the messaging). Like when the 1X launched, I wouldn't be surprised if MS allowed pre-downloading of games, so everyone is ready to go.

I think Scarlett + Halo + Gamepass will be very disruptive, even if it's also available on Xbox One and PC.
 

OneBadMutha

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Nov 2, 2017
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It's not just for hardcore gamers at all. It's an ideal and cheap way for parents to keep their kids/adolescents happy with a constant flow of new games.

What even is a hardcore gamer anyway? There's really no singular definition.
Agree. Doesn’t exclude casual gamer. I’m referring to “hardcore gamer” because it’s been a hot button word in Xbox and PlayStation world lately.
 

Governergrimm

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Jun 25, 2019
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xCloud will be a paid service. Phil has already said that. What I've been saying for sometime is that it will be a service that is tied to Xbox Game Pass. I think the eventual model will be:

Xbox Game Pass: Streaming up to 1080p for all Xbox Game Pass library
Xbox Game Pass Ultimate: Streaming up to 4k for all game purchases, or XGP library

Microsoft's focus is Xbox Game Pass and everything funnel's through it. Think of it like Office 365...all the new things go through it to keep subscribers.

I also think they could do other models as well:

Xbox Game Pass: Streaming to devices of screen size 10" up to 1080p for all XGP library
Xbox Game Pass Ultimate: Streaming to all devices up to 4k for all gaming

There's a couple different ways MS can do this but my first option is what I'm going with.
That has always seemed like the play. It seems like MS is intent on killing it's subscribers with value and options.
 

SeanMN

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Oct 28, 2017
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I'm not sure if this has been posted but this looks interesting.



A thread was made about it a few days ago:

It's a neat idea, and looks cool, but I'll probably just end up getting that phone mount for the normal controller they've been displaying with xCloud.
 

UraMallas

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Nov 1, 2017
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As far as I am concerned, if Gamepass includes xCloud streaming from the cloud for no additional charge, that is as good as MS subsidizing it and giving it our for free. I see no difference to the consumer only in semantic arguments on forums. That's giving away xCloud for free.

So, I agree with Hudson. xCloud will be free.
 

Dan8589

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May 30, 2019
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Perhaps MS could moneyhat the new LOTR MMO that Amazon is doing alongside the TV show as a console exclusive. It's free 2 play but gamepass could give you the sub option I suppose. Although it's third party so not really fair to lock down from PS5.
 

FairyEmpire

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Oct 25, 2017
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As far as I am concerned, if Gamepass includes xCloud streaming from the cloud for no additional charge, that is as good as MS subsidizing it and giving it our for free. I see no difference to the consumer only in semantic arguments on forums. That's giving away xCloud for free.

So, I agree with Hudson. xCloud will be free.
And if that's the future of Xbox, they have me bound for a long long time.

Think about it. I'm buying the next Xbox, bringing with me everything I already own on X1 and the already compatible X360 and XB OG games with enhancements and performance boosts too. With Game Pass I get all of Microsoft's games day one and a huge selection of third parties and indies, some at launch and some a bit later. With xCloud included in Ultimate and probably regular Game Pass, I can keep on playing all of their games on my mobile when I'm not at my console, and a selection of them on PC as well natively through Game Pass PC and Play Anywhere.

The value proposition would be too ridiculous to not stick to Xbox.
 

zedox

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Oct 28, 2017
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As far as I am concerned, if Gamepass includes xCloud streaming from the cloud for no additional charge, that is as good as MS subsidizing it and giving it our for free. I see no difference to the consumer only in semantic arguments on forums. That's giving away xCloud for free.

So, I agree with Hudson. xCloud will be free.
Free with subscription...lol.
 

knightmawk

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Dec 12, 2018
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I hear a lot of people talk about xcloud pricing. I still believe that it’s going to be free and nothing more than a conduit for people to use the Xbox store or Xbox services like gold or gamepass.

Xbox pulls in more revenue per customer than PlayStation or Nintendo. So the more customers they are able to reach the money they will get. And the more you use their services the more money you will spend, so that means existing Xbox users that also use xcloud will be spending more money than they would if they went using Xbox as much.

Pricing it at 10$/month or so is an option but I think that will actually bring in less revenue than if it was free. Telling a customer to pay 10/month for xcloud and then telling them they also have to subscribe to live or gamepass will be a problem.

It being free will help with game sells a lot, and it would really help with gamepass. People who don’t have an Xbox but want gamepass is like the line at the apple store. If it’s free their sub numbers will skyrocket.
One reason I think it may not be free is just the language they've been using around local streaming. They talk about turning your Xbox One in to "your own personal, free X-Cloud server".

And along with that I saw an interview with, I think it was Kareem Choudhry but I'm not sure, I'll try to find it. In that, the interviewer asked "why would I want to use my Xbox as a server instead of a data center" and the person being interviewed responded "well for one it's free".

I know they haven't officially announced the price yet, and they're still figuring it out, but what I've seen and heard makes me think they're leaning towards charging. Probably just bundle it as part of Game Pass, that'd be the easiest sell I imagine.
 

UraMallas

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Nov 1, 2017
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Free with subscription...lol.
It's semantics. There is no difference. I have gone rounds with you over this multiple times and I am starting to realize we are saying the same thing but keep arguing over semantics. If you want to call xCloud through Gamepass at no additional charge MS monetizing xCloud, so be it. But, as you pointed out, Phil did say they plan to charge for it, so there is some sort of standalone service coming as well, it would seem.

Also, why do you use so many ellipses?
 

GING-SAMA

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Jul 10, 2019
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Look like CEO of Ready at Dawn has a positive opinion about independent studios being bought by big companies.

He recruits a lot, I think it will be a good duo with The initiative for Action / Adventure games at Xbox Game Studios http://www.readyatdawn.com/careers/


California Xbox Game Studios :

-The initiative - Action/Adventure
-Obsidian Entertainment - RPG Maker
-Inxile Entertainment - RPG Maker
-Ready At Dawn - Action/Adventure
-Double Fine Productions - Adventure/Plateformer

Klobrille Chances are low that MS bought this studio ?
 

UraMallas

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I know they had been talked about as possible MS target before E3.

And if that's the future of Xbox, they have me bound for a long long time.

Think about it. I'm buying the next Xbox, bringing with me everything I already own on X1 and the already compatible X360 and XB OG games with enhancements and performance boosts too. With Game Pass I get all of Microsoft's games day one and a huge selection of third parties and indies, some at launch and some a bit later. With xCloud included in Ultimate and probably regular Game Pass, I can keep on playing all of their games on my mobile when I'm not at my console, and a selection of them on PC as well natively through Game Pass PC and Play Anywhere.

The value proposition would be too ridiculous to not stick to Xbox.
Which is why I think they try their hardest not to charge for it wherever possible. It can be a feather in their cap across all the Xbox ecosystem if they just subsidize it though other means, imo.

Phil has said they plan to charge for it, tho, so we'll see.
 

Theorry

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Oct 27, 2017
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Look like CEO of Ready at Dawn has a positive opinion about independent studios being bought by big companies.

He recruits a lot, I think it will be a good duo with The initiative for Action / Adventure games at Xbox Game Studios http://www.readyatdawn.com/careers/


California Xbox Game Studios :

-The initiative - Action/Adventure
-Obsidian Entertainment - RPG Maker
-Inxile Entertainment - RPG Maker
-Ready At Dawn - Action/Adventure
-Double Fine Productions - Adventure/Plateformer

Klobrille Chances are low that MS bought this studio ?
You have a timestamp?
 

Ebtesam

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Apr 1, 2018
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Look like CEO of Ready at Dawn has a positive opinion about independent studios being bought by big companies.

He recruits a lot, I think it will be a good duo with The initiative for Action / Adventure games at Xbox Game Studios http://www.readyatdawn.com/careers/


California Xbox Game Studios :

-The initiative - Action/Adventure
-Obsidian Entertainment - RPG Maker
-Inxile Entertainment - RPG Maker
-Ready At Dawn - Action/Adventure
-Double Fine Productions - Adventure/Plateformer

Klobrille Chances are low that MS bought this studio ?
i think RAD already work for PS

We’re currently creating games for both AAA console and virtual reality audiences,
 

UraMallas

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Nov 1, 2017
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I'm playing My Time At Portia right now and there is no way in hell I'd have played it otherwise. I am also probably more forgiving and enjoying it more since it was effectively free.