Funny...I just bought it on a whim last week (along with Psychonauts and Crimson Skies) to go on an old school binge. Enslaved is a really nice game so far. It's kind of a poor man's Uncharted...although I enjoy the combat more.
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Funny...I just bought it on a whim last week (along with Psychonauts and Crimson Skies) to go on an old school binge. Enslaved is a really nice game so far. It's kind of a poor man's Uncharted...although I enjoy the combat more.
Interesting stuff on the last Pachter Factor (Episode 158) -
Based on what Pachter knows about next gen - PS5 has stuff in it to command a USD 800 price now, possibly USD 600 in 2020. Scarlet on the other hand, what he's seen has been about USD 500 worth. (he also says he could be wrong.. But that comes later in the monologue, seemed more for plausible deniability than an admission of ignorance)
He think that Microsoft pricing lower than Sony is key to the tables turning next gen.
I know he's not considered a bellwether for anything, but I found it interesting and thought to share.
Based on what Pachter knows about next gen - PS5 has stuff in it to command a USD 800 price now, possibly USD 600 in 2020. Scarlet on the other hand, what he's seen has been about USD 500 worth. (he also says he could be wrong.. But that comes later in the monologue, seemed more for plausible deniability than an admission of ignorance)
He think that Microsoft pricing lower than Sony is key to the tables turning next gen.
I know he's not considered a bellwether for anything, but I found it interesting and thought to share.
That would disappoint me however the most important aspect of next gen consoles is the CPUs and hard drives...and I don't see much difference there. If they go hardware level on ray tracing, I think going overboard on GPUs will results in massive diminishing returns per cost.
...but yeah, hand wringing over anything Pachter says is a waste of energy.
He is but we've been hearing that both next gen consoles will be very, very close to one and other.
Someone said it would be the difference between the Xbox One and Xbox One S in terms of comparison.
$500 is probably the sweet spot. It's hard to imagine Sony going higher than that because it's such a massive risk. I'm sure Microsoft would love for them to take that risk though.
I dunno.
Customer 'stickiness' this gen has got to be so much higher than previous generations, with subscriptions, digital downloads etc.. I don't think that outside of Nintendo - console manufacturers have ever had customers invest into their larger ecosystems beyond just the box that was bought for gaming.
That's why I think that even a higher price for Sonys's next box wouldn't move the needle as much as it might have (and did) with the X1/PS4 launch.
I'd be SO interested in how the market would move if Sony came out with a more expensive, but more powerful box. Does Sony pull the price of the entire market up? Does PC come up? Does Xbox make back ground? Who knows! I mean, at this point, I feel like there's a high chance I will be surprised by many things from all of the major players this next year. Things are a-changing, and big pieces are subtly but significantly shifting beneath our feet.
That would be a noticeable difference in power, if true. MS cannot allow that at any cost, imo. They will need to do whatever they can to make sure they are very very close in power.
To me, that would be a MAJOR fuck up to be that underpowered compared to the competition.
To me, that would be a MAJOR fuck up to be that underpowered compared to the competition.
Oh wow awesome, thanks for the tip. I had no idea there was even a game pass beta app.
Also, side note, the game pass PC library is way better than I thought, saw a lot of games on there that surprised me, some I didn't even know were on PC.
Well not when people can go cheaper in next gen even with sub(or maybe don't need sub at all, who knows how will gold sub end up in next gen).
But then i never trust Pacther's price prediction anyway lol.
It won't be "fuck up" due to "underpowered" though.
Because MS will be always "overpowered" than any consoles unless they turn 180 and not release any 1st party games on PC lol.
I don't play PC games, so I would definitely be thinking twice if they were severely underpowered but I'm just one person, after all.
That sounds awesome. It means they both have to bring their A game to everything else, from content to services and accessories.
Depends on the country/ region. Japan and mainland Europe are locked by Sony/Nintendo regardless of price. The US is a lot more fickle than people on this board like to admit. If the nextbox hits $100 cheaper than the PS5 and has halo there on day 1 it's going to shift the tide, in the US. Then it's just a race to see which console gets the mindshare and is the de facto 3rd party box. That's why it'll be critical for the nextbox reveal to really go all out. You have to show Fable, a new rare game, a cg trailer of the Iniative etc
Precisely, I feel whatever advantages either box carries will be negligible.
The story is where it is at. The combat gets better as the game expands, but it is a glorious story too. This is one of those huge areas where Ninja Theory is underrated, like immensely underrated.
That's the question though, isn't it? Does power matter more or price? Reality: neither. It's all about perception of value. It helps to have a great product and it helps to have a low price. But, the perception of value never rides on just one thing, even if the internet can only focus on one thing at a time (or utterly fail at focusing at multiple things). A great games lineup, desirable services around the ecosystem, good marketing, etc. are all extremely important considerations.
We don't know what will matter to the wider narrative in a year's time. I think we would all look back on the industry in 2013 and wonder how we could be so shortsighted then on a range of matters. But the narratives from 6 years ago still have significant impact today. I would never trust anyone's take today as a certainty. The market, the world, and humans in general are unpredictable. For all we know, the trade war explodes tomrrow and one or every company delays hardware by 2 years because entire component chains need to be re-sourced and redirected.
No major fuck ups, just bets that may or may not turn out because none of us are prophets or fortune tellers.
I think this is largely overrated. Digital 360 titles and Gold subs didn't do shit to save the XB1. And, more importantly, the vast majority of gamers just play a few games and then put them away for the next one. Nobody* is going back to play their PS4 library over and over once they move to PS5. If XB2 is seen as a significantly better value, tons of people will switch just like they switched from the 360 to the PS4 despite losing their cheevos, friend lists, digital purchases, DLC, gold subs etc.
*Not literally nobody because people like Era posters exist, but not enough to matter.
Pachter knows nothing. Never take the guy seriously. He should have been fired years ago.
Right this was kinda my line of thinking, it just got me thinking that with Insomniac now owned by Sony those independent studios that are on the cusp of AAA (4A, Asobo, IO, Ready at Dawn, Remedy to name a few) are gonna get snapped up fast either by Sony or MS (or google) and most of them use their own proprietary engines.
No way that is going to happen. Phil even said last year I believe that they would never make that mistake again, or that they would not be the most underpowered system ever again.
I must admit I will play Control to support Remedy and it does look like a great game. The biggest issue I have with Remedy is that they make amazing worlds and stories and never make sequels haha.
More AW and QB would be amazing. Loved those stories.
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So, this is one day close to be an one year old thing, but did anything new came from this bit of interview in August '18 between Aaron Greenberg and Jeuxvideo.com (FR) regarding Microsoft and DONTNOD working on something?
I don't think it was ever picked up anywhere else but I'm curious. Apparently DONTNOD still have one unveiled project form 2020 (alongside their new one with Focus) and one or two after 2020.
So, this is one day close to be an one year old thing, but did anything new came from this bit of interview in August '18 between Aaron Greenberg and Jeuxvideo.com (FR) regarding Microsoft and DONTNOD working on something?
I don't think it was ever picked up anywhere else but I'm curious. Apparently DONTNOD still have one unveiled project form 2020 (alongside their new one with Focus) and one or two after 2020.
With MS now more focused on trying to bring Xbox GamePass on multiple consoles (even competitor consoles if possible) and devices, I don't think MS is as concerned with selling more consoles than Sony... Rather I think MS wants to give the best experience in playing Xbox game division experiences on their Xbox brand-console. So I think his take on MS has to sell more consoles than Sony is completely the wrong way to look at the changing situation.
Not that MS doesn't want to sell and be the number 1 Console seller... I just think with their shifting business model... It's not a make or break for them.
Xbox next gen is going to be a bit like Google and the pixel phone. They're going to keep building hardware, but you buying it isn't critical to them anymore.
Google want everyone on Android, not pixwl. Pixel is a bonus.
MS want you on Gamepass next gen. If you do it on Scarlett that's just a bonus to them.
Google want everyone on Android, not pixwl. Pixel is a bonus.
MS want you on Gamepass next gen. If you do it on Scarlett that's just a bonus to them.
Interesting. Never seen this interview or knew they were working on something. Explains why Microsoft is paying to get Life is Strange into Game Pass so soon after they release. Trying to get Dontnod Xbox exposure.
Or it's like Amazons Kindle Fire. I agree though. Console is a bonus. Just one leg of the stool now.
My personal curiosity: we know MS formed a new AOE studios but it's not a developer. So, are There any chances to buy Relic at least? From this source, Relic doesn't seems as so profitable company. Revenues aren't really good.
I know There was some interest by MS
I know There was some interest by MS
That is nowt likely the case
You can't compare 360 era to current gen. Digital has grown like shit ton. I think digital sales on Playstation already account over 50% of sales, closer to 60.
And this gen didn't have BC when it launched. Next gen will have and that is game changer when you take it on account with how digital sales raise all the time
I agree. Even if backlog is more important now than in the past, there is still a lot of people which buy their games at launch, and I think those people are the one who buy a new console at launch. If people want to continue to play their PlayStation 4 games, they will keep their PlayStation 4, I don't think they will choose to not buy a Xbox if they really want to play Halo Infinite.
Not really. If you look at his track record he's not any wronger than any other analyst. Nobody is 100% right in their speculations but he's more on the money than anybody on this forum
Remembering his switch lite predictions and nobody here could fathom Nintendo doing that and called him an idiot?
His numbers may be off but I could definitely see Sony testing the waters with a $600 console after the success of the pS4
just a quick google shows he called the WiiU dead in 2013. Called the Vita dead in 2015. Called the switch lite, called the Xbox One massive price drops in 2014
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I think both next gen consoles with launch with a blast this time, they will try to emulate the Switch/Breath of the Wild approach. I see PS5 with The Last of Us 2 (not believing the spring release one bit) and Xbox Two with Halo Infinite. All the rest will be interesting to see. BC will be important but only if both companies take a fundamentally different approach to it. It would have mattered a lot more if Xbox One had adopted in back in 2013.
Some of our respected OT members make an Xbox podcast every two weeks. I think they are doing a great job with it. This newest episode discusses Insomniac being bought, Gamescom 2019 and the future of Xbox Live Gold.
Something to do for the commute tomorrow.
and the OT: https://www.resetera.com/threads/xboxera-podcast-ot-professional-shills.129042/
Something to do for the commute tomorrow.
and the OT: https://www.resetera.com/threads/xboxera-podcast-ot-professional-shills.129042/
When another poster suggested AOE is not a "Real" studio:
Interesting indeed, thanks for sharing.
With the trade war between US and China, I don't think both consoles can go below 499$ for sure.
Sony are also not dumb enough to price again at 599$. If Pachter is right, Sony being more powerful puts MS in an interesting bind, Phil said they would not lose out on the power battle again. If he is wrong, then they will atleast sell 50$ less than Sony.
My Prediction (hope) is PS5 at 499$ (maybe 5-10% more powerful) and Xbox Scarlett at 449$. Sony >>GPU>>Xbox, Xbox >>CPU>>Sony ( because of the great cooling system from the Surface team).
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I think he said once that Nintendo could sell a cardboard box with their logo on it and people would buy it.
Well yeah. Their last game, Dawn of War 3, bombed.
I don't think I heard about this before, guessing a next generation exclusive or it's just more Gamepass partnership. Would be cool if they picked up Dontnod and Asobo. This would be my XGS France dream team. Well them plus spiders but they are already owned by another company.
This is super under rated. Especially with backwards compatibility, game pass, and whatever Sony's eventual answer to game pass is. Changing camps this gen doesn't just mean leaving behind exclusive franchises, it means leaving behind a whole library built up over possibly two generations.
I wonder how many people stuck with Xbox this gen just to keep their Gamerscore.
I really think The Last of Us Part II and Ghost of Tsushima will launch in the first half of 2020. If Sony has something big for PlayStation 5 launch, it will be Horizon 2.
Yeah he has been right numerous times and also have said some stupid stuff, but people shouldn't really said he has never been right and i also think he isn't right this time. I am fairly certain both consoles are super close each other.
Yeah agree. People are sleeping on this.
Huh, this is the first time I've seen this, really cool to hear. Assuming it was a whole game and not just a partnership for Game Pass or something, and depending on when in 2020 it'll release, we may hear something about it it X in November. I've really enjoyed what Dontnod has done so far, I had a lot of problems with Vampyr but I liked the idea behind it, it just felt like it needed more polish and more time to realize some of the mechanics and balance some of the encounters.
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