You'll be able to play Scarlett exclusives on the One through Xcloud, but there will definitely be games that you'll need a Scarlett to play locally.
You'll be able to play Scarlett exclusives on the One through Xcloud, but there will definitely be games that you'll need a Scarlett to play locally.
Proud #16by2020 believer since 2017 :D
I assume so.
Yes, because Xbox is not a generational platform. It is a service based system that is available through multiple hardware and software sources.
Well I'll give you credit for sticking with that but ain't gonna happen. I'd do a friendly avatar bet if it was closer to launch but at this point in time no one will remember or care.I'll say it. Yep. And it's good for consumers to have options rather than be force fed to buy expensive hardware if they don't care about performance but still want to play with their friends.
I really curious how The Coalition will handle Left and Right in the next game. They are two entirely different directions for the story!I'm stoked for the next Xbox! The best thing is we have so many games to play and still coming before then. Loving Gears 5 (I choose right) and can't wait for Ori 2. I can't express enough how amazing Ori is. The game is really a pure definition of an amazing, fun, engrossing game. It's going to be my one of my highlights of 2020 easily. I hope XO19 has some teases for the next year. Like are we ready for their games blowout in E3 2020?! It's going to be so good :) Almost done with 2019 and only 6 months till E3 oh boy here we go!!
Then why even bother with a new console? You are building a new console so that developers can put out better experiences.
Without this, the industry stagnates and dies off. Plus no business, especially in the tech space will stop improving their hardware offering.....if they are doing that, they must justify putting it out. In gaming, that has always been cutting the umbilical cord that ties to the previous generation.
What if those games are released on Xbox one for gamepass but in order to play them you have to stream the game.
Well I'll give you credit for sticking with that but ain't gonna happen. I'd do a friendly avatar bet if it was closer to launch but no one will remember or care.
I really curious how The Coalition will handle Left and Right in the next game. They are two entirely different directions for the story!
Then why even bother with a new console? You are building a new console so that developers can put out better experiences.
Without this, the industry stagnates and dies off. Plus no business, especially in the tech space will stop improving their hardware offering.....if they are doing that, they must justify putting it out. In gaming, that has always been cutting the umbilical cord that ties to the previous generation.
The suggestion that Microsoft doesn't need to sell consoles anymore is weird to me. I completely agree they are all about the services now, but to sell a service you need an entry point for people. They have the following:
xCloud : currently pushed as a supplement to existing users of ecosystem. Immature market, unlikely to do significant numbers for years
PC : presumably a small part of the Xbox ecosystem.
Xbox One : presumably an overwhelming part of the Xbox ecosystem.
The success of their services is tied directly to the number of consoles they sell, at least for the foreseeable future.
It's my prediction because I think it makes sense but I can't guarantee there won't be anti-consumer decisions in the name of what console enthusiasts are clamoring for. We are not going to get more advanced launch games just because the previous gen gets cut out. It takes 3-5 years of working on new tech to understand how to really take advantage of the newest features that allow innovation beyond the previous gen.
Why make better computers if you're held back by old computers? You're not held back, it's 3 set power levels and they build around that for a few years and eventually they phase out the one/ps4 as both move forward. They're not throwing out 10's of millions of users until they have a large foundation of users on the newer consoles. They do not care about selling the systems as much as they do in selling the software and services around them. Phil has made this abundantly clear. "I don't care where you play our stuff, just that you do".Then why even bother with a new console? You are building a new console so that developers can put out better experiences.
Without this, the industry stagnates and dies off. Plus no business, especially in the tech space will stop improving their hardware offering.....if they are doing that, they must justify putting it out. In gaming, that has always been cutting the umbilical cord that ties to the previous generation.
Don't bother. He obviously knows that. It seems that user only comes in here to stir up s**t. His previous post in this same thread got him banned for a week (for trolling).#20by2020 originated at Resetera and was just a fucking around thing. Somehow people ran with it like it was serious. Expanding the capacity of their 1st party isn't limited to buying studios. Can get the same impact expanding their current studios.
The buyout opportunities also don't end with IO.
Nah, this is not something I can agree with.Innovation and advancements in technology are not limited to forcing people to buy a specific plastic box with exclusives. Advancements in tech will continue to happen and consumers will continue to upgrade their consoles and PCs regardless. By the logic that consoles are worthless without exclusives, new GPUs and CPUs wouldn't sell. New phones and tablets wouldn't sell. Most tech consumers buy the newest tech because they want better features and performance. In 2020 if you buy a Scarlett, every game in your existing and future library will be able to perform better and have much lower load times. I'd argue there's more value at launch with everything being cross gen than with that clean break. Communities are bigger. Friends stay together. Profit potential is greater for publishers meaning they can invest more in development for games launching on next gen.
In gaming, we've trained each other that the value of our hardware is based on what we limit others to who choose different hardware. Gaming enthusiasts have been advocating anti-consumer practices in the name of console wars for years and it would be great if it stopped. There's not going to be a damned game that launches in 2020 that's not scalable to older hardware.
The games are built to scale... they're not "held back" by old consoles in the same way pc games aren't. They're built to try and work on everything, and the top tier gets the best version. It's all x86 and they can turn on/turn off features as need be to make it work on old hardware, while not ignoring innovation on the new hardware.Nah, this is not something I can agree with.
Do you remember what GTA was before the PS2? The jump from GT2 to GT3? What Team Ninja was able to accomplish on the Dreamcast with DoA2. All of those were huge advancements made possible because new tech was being taken advantage of. It was the tech that enabled not only these games, but far more to really start pushing the boundaries.
Last generation, that moment was Bioshock, and then Gears of War and some years later it was Forza Motorsport 3, then 4 on the 360, Killzone 2 and Uncharted on the PS3. We have just gone through a generation where we had tablet CPU's that severely limited what developers could do especially when you looked at games like Just Cause or Assassin's Creed that would have done with a better CPU.
If all I want is to play base Xbox One games better, then there is hardware specifically built for that. Just thinking that you can invest on a base Xbox One, get the Xbox One X to play games at better resolution and higher frame rates, then have a new console that does what the XB1X does is something I cannot justify.
A new generation should not be marketed or worse, sold as a console that can simply load current gen games faster. Microsoft and Sony are not the normal publisher. If they are launching a product, they have to have content out on it that justifies its purchase....no need harping about how well they have designed the console, what it can do and then bring out previous gen games.
I like what Microsoft does in gaming. They have made my to go to console three generations in a row. They are still my first option next gen. That said, I cannot reconcile releasing a new product to play games designed on hardware they are replacing.......and make no mistake about it, Scarlett is there to replace the Xbox One.
1)Nintendo needed only Botw, plus on scarlet and ps5 there will be ac, cod, the sports game and maybe a new battlefield at d1. I would prefer a more long term strategy1. We don't know that. I'm also of the mind that MS needs AAA titles for launch outside of Halo Infinite that are high quality. They need to compete with Sony's first party offerings and not in some feel good claim of "Well, they have a diverse lineup!".
2. We need to know the budget of, Flight Simulator before making this claim. It being ultra pretty doesn't mean it's AAA.
Great preview. Also noticed it has 350k views. Alot of previews have alot of views. Makes sense offcourse. But alot of eyes on FS
And overall this way of counting is not respectful of realities like PGG and InXile with different studios in different locations, the ones like NT, Double Fine and Mojang separated in several teams and Global Publishing.#20by2020 originated at Resetera and was just a fucking around thing. Somehow people ran with it like it was serious. Expanding the capacity of their 1st party isn't limited to buying studios. Can get the same impact expanding their current studios.
The buyout opportunities also don't end with IO.
How do you count Age of Empires?
Nah, this is not something I can agree with.
Do you remember what GTA was before the PS2? The jump from GT2 to GT3? What Team Ninja was able to accomplish on the Dreamcast with DoA2. All of those were huge advancements made possible because new tech was being taken advantage of. It was the tech that enabled not only these games, but far more to really start pushing the boundaries.
Last generation, that moment was Bioshock, and then Gears of War and some years later it was Forza Motorsport 3, then 4 on the 360, Killzone 2 and Uncharted on the PS3. We have just gone through a generation where we had tablet CPU's that severely limited what developers could do especially when you looked at games like Just Cause or Assassin's Creed that would have done with a better CPU.
If all I want is to play base Xbox One games better, then there is hardware specifically built for that. Just thinking that you can invest on a base Xbox One, get the Xbox One X to play games at better resolution and higher frame rates, then have a new console that does what the XB1X does is something I cannot justify.
A new generation should not be marketed or worse, sold as a console that can simply load current gen games faster. Microsoft and Sony are not the normal publisher. If they are launching a product, they have to have content out on it that justifies its purchase....no need harping about how well they have designed the console, what it can do and then bring out previous gen games.
I like what Microsoft does in gaming. They have made my to go to console three generations in a row. They are still my first option next gen. That said, I cannot reconcile releasing a new product to play games designed on hardware they are replacing.......and make no mistake about it, Scarlett is there to replace the Xbox One.
Age of Empires is a new studio, like explained on the previous page. Just like MS counts it. Maybe it'll "feel" more like that once the studio had its own name soon.
If Sony has exclusive PS5 games at launch that would be the best thing to happen for XboxGears 5 already runs at 4k60 on the One X, addiing in raytracing, higher res textures and faster loading times does not make it a generational leap in graphics as a game designed for Scarlett would look. It certainly doesn't make a current PS4 owner consider switching to Xbox at the start of the generation where Xbox can start selling them their services.
PS has double the userbase of Xbox which is double the amount of people to hypothetcially sell Game Pass to. If Sony is making PS5 exclusive technical showcases and MS is only making cross gen games then Sony will be getting all the gamer mindshare and MS will end up with a smaller userbase to sell services to for the next few years. This idea that it's not important to sell boxes anymore is silly.
Gears 5 already runs at 4k60 on the One X, addiing in raytracing, higher res textures and faster loading times does not make it a generational leap in graphics as a game designed for Scarlett would look. It certainly doesn't make a current PS4 owner consider switching to Xbox at the start of the generation where Xbox can start selling them their services.
PS has double the userbase of Xbox which is double the amount of people to hypothetcially sell Game Pass to. If Sony is making PS5 exclusive technical showcases and MS is only making cross gen games then Sony will be getting all the gamer mindshare and MS will end up with a smaller userbase to sell services to for the next few years. This idea that it's not important to sell boxes anymore is silly.
What are you talking about? Seriously?Why make better computers if you're held back by old computers? You're not held back, it's 3 set power levels and they build around that for a few years and eventually they phase out the one/ps4 as both move forward. They're not throwing out 10's of millions of users until they have a large foundation of users on the newer consoles. They do not care about selling the systems as much as they do in selling the software and services around them. Phil has made this abundantly clear. "I don't care where you play our stuff, just that you do".
There are diminishing returns on the GPU side, but even then, there will be a lot of things that you will be able to do on a 9/10TFLOP Navi GPU that you cannot run on a sub 2TFLOP Polaris GPU.Previous gens don't compare because of:
- Diminishing returns
- Machine Learning
- Scalability of todays game engines
- Advancements in tools
- Console architecture matching PC
Nothing for PS2 or Dreamcast launches was more impressive or more technically advanced than anything I was playing on PC the year prior. What you're talking about was based on the limitation and hardships going from one console gen to another. Doesn't translate to today
This......very much.If you ask me, the entire concept of Game Pass makes gaming, especially for those of us that play more than 8 hours a week, much more palatable.
I think Scarlett, for the first time presents a model where going up in hardware isn't prohibitive at all. You don't lose anything by doing so, in fact its beneficial and you can hang on to your entire library with full reach into the last 3 generations of games, its incredible. MS approach to accessibility (for me at least) and their willingness to adapt and change their approach to a service based one is going to propel them next gen.
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Age of Empires is a new studio, like explained on the previous page. Just like MS counts it. Maybe it'll "feel" more like that once the studio had its own name soon.
No you don't support pc's forever but you do have a set minimum/medium/high set of specs for devs to work with with the Xbox One, Xbox One X, and Scarlett. Yes eventually they will have Scarlett only games but no I do not think they will or should at launch. We're obviously not going to change each other's opinions on it so I'm done replying. This is the first time there is going to be full backwards compatibility from the start with Xbox and you can't look at it the same way that you used to as far as "generations" go.What are you talking about? Seriously?
No one, absolutely no one is supporting old PC's to infinity. If you want to remain with an old PC, running something like Windows XP, then it runs. But at some moment in time, Microsoft stops patching it, you start getting applications that are not configured to run on the OS, and developers keep upping the minimum requirements for games to a point where you cannot run anything other that mobile style games on that hardware.
Why are people behaving as if it is any different just because we have Halo Infinite being cross gen? And stop telling me that games are built to scale.
There are diminishing returns on the GPU side, but even then, there will be a lot of things that you will be able to do on a 9/10TFLOP Navi GPU that you cannot run on a sub 2TFLOP Polaris GPU.
There are things that you can do on a first generation Ryzen CPU that you cannot run on a Jaguar cluster, and it is not close. Machine learning, scalable engines will not bridge that gap.
Lastly, console architecture is supposed to run for 7 years. By the time we are starting next gen, PC's will have advanced, and it will not be long until you start seeing minimum requirements for games going up on PC.
This is the first generation that I hear that not having exclusive content is a good thing. And from the platform holder.....no, Sony/Microsoft are not just any other publisher.
If we're going strictly by the business viability as many of you are:
Did any of you see the Destiny 2 active users numbers? Anyone notice the giant gap between Xbox and PC?
Don't discount Xcloud and PC. My prediction is there will be more Xcloud and PC Game Pass subscriptions than console within the next 2 years.
So you are releasing a new console and designing games around tablet CPU that was outdated when current gen consoles launched?No you don't support pc's forever but you do have a set minimum/medium/high set of specs for devs to work with with the Xbox One, Xbox One X, and Scarlett. Yes eventually they will have Scarlett only games but no I do not think they will or should at launch. We're obviously not going to change each other's opinions on it so I'm done replying. This is the first time there is going to be full backwards compatibility from the start with Xbox and you can't look at it the same way that you used to as far as "generations" go.
I am fine with Japanese or mainland EU.
What are you talking about? Seriously?
No one, absolutely no one is supporting old PC's to infinity. If you want to remain with an old PC, running something like Windows XP, then it runs. But at some moment in time, Microsoft stops patching it, you start getting applications that are not configured to run on the OS, and developers keep upping the minimum requirements for games to a point where you cannot run anything other that mobile style games on that hardware.
Why are people behaving as if it is any different just because we have Halo Infinite being cross gen? And stop telling me that games are built to scale.
There are diminishing returns on the GPU side, but even then, there will be a lot of things that you will be able to do on a 9/10TFLOP Navi GPU that you cannot run on a sub 2TFLOP Polaris GPU.
There are things that you can do on a first generation Ryzen CPU that you cannot run on a Jaguar cluster, and it is not close. Machine learning, scalable engines will not bridge that gap.
Lastly, console architecture is supposed to run for 7 years. By the time we are starting next gen, PC's will have advanced, and it will not be long until you start seeing minimum requirements for games going up on PC.
This is the first generation that I hear that not having exclusive content is a good thing. And from the platform holder.....no, Sony/Microsoft are not just any other publisher.