But for a game dev, isn't it more important that the user base grew instead of how much money the console manufacturor made? Because for you, who wants to sell games, the more consoles out there, the better. Or did I miss something?
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Xbox One was the UK No.1 games console over Black Friday
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Xbox Game Pass is going to be a big factor in next generation launch window when people understand the insane value proposition of having the entire launch window lineup available through that subscription, likely bundled with 1 to 3 months of the service too.
It's a known fact that the SAD models are being used as a gateway to Microsoft's digital ecosystem, particularly GamePass.
'Concern' about revenue is needless.
It was almost no brainer territory. If I actually played the PS4 games I bought I'd have maybe bought one, but with next gen round the corner I know it would have been a waste for me personally. PS4 deal pricing was almost non existent really.
That's usually concern trolling, and you know it.
Yes, it makes sense to wonder how a gaming division is doing money-wise, but most of the time it's just a proxy for console wars. And console wars are annoying.
Good to see demand for an all digital console. I am digital only for the entire genereation and would buy a Scarlett without a disc drive.
Yeah, the games for it in a 1080p 40inch or smaller TV are still a good experience, especially when we consider the switch and how last gen was around this time.
And x1s/ad stills plays fifa, fortnite very well.
Then the best thing to do is not react, because if it's trolling then you're not feeding them, and if it's someone who is genuinely interested you're not needlessly having a pop at them?
Good job Xbox:)
They were selling all-digital version for like $110 in Germany so I can only imagine what the prices were in countries like the US.
What does it matter to you why that poster is interested? Why do they need to justify their curiosity?
It's not concern, it's called sales discussion. Revenue and profit is part of that discussion, not just units. We also don't have much in the way of facts to show that services will make up for the loss of selling a console and 3 games for £99.
Because I want to understand his curiosity. Nobody needs to do anything on discussion forums, people can choose to not reply (which is what is happening here, apparently).
At that price I nearly went for a SAD but already having 2x X1X and 2x X1S in the house is sort of enough lol.
My body is ready.
Didn't you hear? We should only have discussions about specific things in the gaming industry.
He asked if the Xbox One has sold more than 1.5 million after stating the Switch is on pace to get to 1 million.
I said the Xbox One won't be at the 1 million figure of the Switch by saying Xbox One won't be close to the best year (this year) of the Switch.
You just need to look at the launch (and the months following) of the digital only edition and see how it didn't have any notable effect on hardware numbers.
I think if I hadn't had such a recent experience where the benefits of buying games physically was so massive (JFO which I bought for £43.50 played and sold for £40) I'd have bought one this weekend. It's a crazy deal but digital is still terrible value for money in the UK.
Good grief they beat Switch???!! I would have thought it unpossible. Ps4 I understand, but Switch?
Geez, SAD has turned from mocked to beast mode in record time.
but, sales still down from 2018.
Edit: So basically the numbers are implied at Xbox ~100k, Switch ~100k, PS4 ~60k.
Geez, SAD has turned from mocked to beast mode in record time.
but, sales still down from 2018.
Edit: So basically the numbers are implied at Xbox ~100k, Switch ~100k, PS4 ~60k.
No comment re the sales figures in this thread? Just contributing to the meta commentary instead?
True and I agree with you, however I am pretty sure that the only way to get a system down to 99€ is to remove something.
If it is a good business for Microsoft I cannot answer, maybe they losses is so high that the income from services will not be large enough to compensate. If the losses is not to large Microsoft will be in the position where they can be the budget consumers choice and the choice of the guy who wants the most powerful console.
It is very interesting
Xbox One sold more in 2014 in UK than Switch sold last year (1040k vs 840k) so so far it has higher peak. Switch might outsell that this year but not by huge amount by any means (with 30% yoy increase Switch does around 1092k).
You aren't gonna save over $100 by removing the disc, the current price have very little to do with that, they want to lock people in their ecosystem and doing it with pushing digital on them is a good way of that, they are absolutely taking a big loss on this offer.
Xbox was the only console that actually seemed to drop in price on Black Friday here, so it deserves the sales in my opinion.
And isn't that part of the problem with trying to discuss sales, profit & loss, manufacturing processes, marketing and other overheads?
People categorically state wins and losses in the console debates without ever knowing the full picture or all of the moving parts that can impact a hundred and one things related to sales?
i am really intrigued to see how much the gamepass deals and 3 year conversions make to buying decisions next year...Will some people go with their current subs and just get a new box to access their sub with the next hardware?
Or will people go for cheapest box? or most powerful box?
I feel like PS has a much larger market share, and with back compat, people will be tempted to stick with their ecosystem...but then maybe the average Xbox customer is "stickier" because they've bought in to Gamepass etc.
Do people think that this is the hardest generation so far, to switch platforms? because of backwards compatability?
Or will people go for cheapest box? or most powerful box?
I feel like PS has a much larger market share, and with back compat, people will be tempted to stick with their ecosystem...but then maybe the average Xbox customer is "stickier" because they've bought in to Gamepass etc.
Do people think that this is the hardest generation so far, to switch platforms? because of backwards compatability?
we have a mountain of evidence and facts to show that taking in users at a loss to get users into your ecosystem can be quite effective. It's worked for Amazon and Google that practically give out their mini smart speakers for free. It's worked for Uber that takes on billions in losses to enter new markets. Apple is using that successfully to build up users for Apple TV + after this worked well for Apple Music.
Sony is toeing this line with cheap bundle deals for PSVR. Incidentally, we don't get a spirited discussion about revenue for that.
Microsoft clearly forecasts a profitable outcome for Gamepass, despite cheap $1 Gamepass ultimate conversion deals. Why would it be a cheap SAD bundle that tips their projections into the red?
Having always been a Nintendo/PlayStation gamer, even I couldn't resist the Tesco £109 SAD offer. For that price plus Game Pass, that's a mighty impressive library of games I've never played for a crazy good price. Went from 'not interested' to 'hard to say no' very quickly.
How much? A console being sold for 99 with multiple games taking a big loss is just common sense but if you have something that says differently then that's great.