Same in some shops in Luxembourg and Germany too.
Same in some shops in Luxembourg and Germany too.
we have a mountain of evidence and facts to show that taking in users at a loss to get users into your ecosystem can be quite effective. It's worked for Amazon and Google that practically give out their mini smart speakers for free. It's worked for Uber that takes on billions in losses to enter new markets. Apple is using that successfully to build up users for Apple TV + after this worked well for Apple Music.
i am really intrigued to see how much the gamepass deals and 3 year conversions make to buying decisions next year...Will some people go with their current subs and just get a new box to access their sub with the next hardware?
Or will people go for cheapest box? or most powerful box?
I feel like PS has a much larger market share, and with back compat, people will be tempted to stick with their ecosystem...but then maybe the average Xbox customer is "stickier" because they've bought in to Gamepass etc.
Do people think that this is the hardest generation so far, to switch platforms? because of backwards compatability?
I would say that the strategy of doing these deals and the general might be indicative that someone who approved this strategy did the math and that is why they are doing it.We don't have any evidence that it would work for the gaming industry in the same way. It could but it also may not. It's difficult to gauge what the attach rate of these services will be when we are talking about casual/budget buyers.
Of course it may work out exactly as you say, only time will tell obviously but at the moment they are making a loss by selling that low (I work for a big computer parts company so I have an idea on how much parts will cost Microsoft).
yes we do...consoles. They were sold at a loss for generations...We don't have any evidence that it would work for the gaming industry in the same way. It could but it also may not. It's difficult to gauge what the attach rate of these services will be when we are talking about casual/budget buyers.
Of course it may work out exactly as you say, only time will tell obviously but at the moment they are making a loss by selling that low (I work for a big computer parts company so I have an idea on how much parts will cost Microsoft).
Nothing like that, just find it interesting how much revenue can be generated in the UK. The more the better, I like to see MS invest in the UK and the better they do the better it is for the UK games industry.But for a game dev, isn't it more important that the user base grew instead of how much money the console manufacturor made? Because for you, who wants to sell games, the more consoles out there, the better. Or did I miss something?
Dont think it was packaged with every console. You also had for example the Jedi Fallen Order Bundle for X and SSo Sea of Thieves did around 100k when it was bundled with every Xbox console? Or even higher when people claim it was packed in with other games?
Take the problem from another side : the removing of the optical drive isn't made to gain margin for the manufacturer but to avoid physical installation of games for the end-user, and so the online store the only possibility to play games on that device.How much? A console being sold for 99 with multiple games taking a big loss is just common sense but if you have something that says differently then that's great.
Absolutely.Take the problem from another side : the removing of the optical drive isn't made to gain margin for the manufacturer
This however doesn't make sense, downloading a game is the equivalent of installing a physical version, I'd even argue it being much worse without a fast internet and game sizes going up.but to avoid physical installation of games for the end-user, and so the online store the only possibility to play games on that device.
Nothing like that, just find it interesting how much revenue can be generated in the UK. The more the better, I like to see MS invest in the UK and the better they do the better it is for the UK games industry.
Take the problem from another side : the removing of the optical drive isn't made to gain margin for the manufacturer but to avoid physical installation of games for the end-user, and so the online store the only possibility to play games on that device.
I'd need to recheck that, but I'm pretty sure that's an urban myth.yes we do...consoles. They were sold at a loss for generations...
We don't have any evidence that it would work for the gaming industry in the same way. It could but it also may not. It's difficult to gauge what the attach rate of these services will be when we are talking about casual/budget buyers.
Of course it may work out exactly as you say, only time will tell obviously but at the moment they are making a loss by selling that low (I work for a big computer parts company so I have an idea on how much parts will cost Microsoft).
That is not an urban myth. Go check out Phil Harrison interview on ign that happened recentlyI'd need to recheck that, but I'm pretty sure that's an urban myth.
Consoles may have been sold at cost price occasionally, but selling at a loss rarely happens.
I don't know but I rely on the statements in this thread: https://www.resetera.com/threads/se...k-friday-transforms-uk-charts-week-48.156388/Dont think it was packaged with every console. You also had for example the Jedi Fallen Order Bundle for X and S
An incredibly well earned win. MS will be in a far stronger position next generation.
Consoles have been sold at a loss to get people in the ecosystem in just about every gen since the ps1. It might have occurred before that but I'm unsure.
I'd need to recheck that, but I'm pretty sure that's an urban myth.
Consoles may have been sold at cost price occasionally, but selling at a loss rarely happens.
How the hell did Switch manage to land in the same ballpark as Xbox with 2x/3x price? Its incredible.
yep that SAD+Gamepass combo was too good a deal to pass up, worked out to something stupid like £6 a month for 2+ years of Gamepass including the console(!)
As we approach Christmas and the lite having just launched- kids presents. It's the same every year for Nintendo handhelds.How the hell did Switch manage to land in the same ballpark as Xbox with 2x/3x price? Its incredible.
Consoles have been sold at a loss to get people in the ecosystem in just about every gen since the ps1. It might have occurred before that but I'm unsure.
The hardware (consoles) definitely isn't where they're making big money. But to my knowledge, the "at a loss" is overblown. It's usually during specific phases (like launch period for example) and it's not like they're selling the console half-price. They're only losing a meager percentage when it happens (bar maybe some very contextual sales like insane BF deals).It could be part of the same urban myth, but having seen firsthand the pathetic retailer margins for hardware, it kind of stacks up there are not big bucks in the machines.
Well said.But for a game dev, isn't it more important that the user base grew instead of how much money the console manufacturor made? Because for you, who wants to sell games, the more consoles out there, the better. Or did I miss something?
You aren't gonna save over $100 by removing the disc, the current price have very little to do with that, they want to lock people in their ecosystem and doing it with pushing digital on them is a good way of that, they are absolutely taking a big loss on this offer.
lol, yeah. 5 posts in and you can already feel the salt.
microsoft is a trillion dollar company, you guys don't have to worry about how much they made or lost because of their bundles and deals.
Software rules, no one understands this better than Nintendo, they deliver the goods more consistently than anyone else. The Switch has broken out from the diehard Nintendo fan ghetto to the must own console for everyone. Plus, it's available as a dedicated handheld, a market Nintendo has all to themselves.How the hell did Switch manage to land in the same ballpark as Xbox with 2x/3x price? Its incredible.
As we approach Christmas and the lite having just launched- kids presents. It's the same every year for Nintendo handhelds.
Oh yeah I forgot about the Lite aka the Nintendo handheld, which is weird considering I bought one last month. Should've waited for BF deals.Software rules, no one understands this better than Nintendo, they deliver the goods more consistently than anyone else. The Switch has broken out from the diehard Nintendo fan ghetto to the must own console for everyone. Plus, it's available as a dedicated handheld, a market Nintendo has all to themselves.
What are you on about?Software rules, no one understands this better than Nintendo, they deliver the goods more consistently than anyone else. The Switch has broken out from the diehard Nintendo fan ghetto to the must own console for everyone. Plus, it's available as a dedicated handheld, a market Nintendo has all to themselves.
Glad to see people are not afraid on a full digital console. It took six year but MS did it.